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<cow_2001>can you pack everything hoot into a single html file? somehow write the wasm blobs etc into a string variable or whatever inside the loading script?

<cow_2001>i assume you can

<dthompson>cow_2001: I haven't done it but yes, you could do so now.

<dthompson>we added support for loading a program from a js buffer in 0.7.0

<cow_2001>oh oh!

<cow_2001>nice!

<dthompson>so you could base64 encode the binary and stuff it into the page

<cow_2001>everything in a single html file is nice for the jam

<cow_2001>or is it?

<dthompson>it's not strictly necessary for itch.io hosting but it can be convenient, yeah

<cow_2001>itch can read zip files

<dthompson>for prior art, the wasm4 fantasy console does this

<dthompson>wasm4 binaries are much smaller, though

<jfred>I kinda wish there was something like wasm4 but that was capable of running Hoot programs. There's even a libretro core for wasm4 so you can run games written for it through RetroArch; that kind of thing would be nice to have

<jboy>Re inlining wasm, I came across this the other day: https://bartbroere.eu/2025/03/06/inlining-wasm-in-html-not-terrible/

<dthompson>jboy: interesting article. hadn't seen it. thanks!

<theruran>this page has a broken link to the 0.7.0 release announcement: https://spritely.institute/hoot/

<dthompson>ah darn

<dthompson>will fix

<theruran>🫡

<dthompson>thanks

<dthompson>fixed

<n|Phreak>Looking for example for spritely , like what is possible to build ? Is using hoot going to be the primary way in order to create services ?

<dthompson>n|Phreak: hoot is for cases where you need your app to run in the browser

<dthompson>we've prioritized web deployment because it makes it easy for other people to use what we build

<n|Phreak>Ok, is there examples of what is possible to build using goblins framework?

<dthompson>n|Phreak: it's kind of like asking what is possible to build using a web framework. you can make pretty much anything. some things we've made are 1) a multi-user chat system that we use internally for testing goblins and 2) a simple multiplayer thing for a game jam that you can read about here https://spritely.institute/news/goblinville-a-spring-lisp-game-jam-2025-retrospective.html

<dthompson>but probably the most promising project currently going on right now is that we have ported the Shepherd init system to use goblins https://codeberg.org/spritely/shepherd

<dthompson>so with those 3 projects you have examples of traditional looking web app, a multiplayer game, and a unix init system.

<dthompson>so the possibility space is quite large

<n|Phreak>Ok , appreciate the information

<dthompson>yw :)

<dthompson>lots and lots of applications can benefit from the object capability security model and the actor model

<n|Phreak>right, thats what has been excited about this project.

<n|Phreak>right, that is what has me excited about this project.

<dthompson>:)

<cwebber>welcome n|Phreak !

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