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<cwebber>ACTION writing some nice code today

<cwebber>crypto sealers!

<cwebber>In This House Crypto Means Cryptography etc

<cwebber>btw worth saying I suppose

<cwebber>The Spritely Institute now is dogfooding Spritely tech for daily communication and it's going pretty nicely. Definitely is leading to many things getting improved and fixed, and increased confidence in our tech

<jfred>:D

<dthompson>yeah we've been using pumpkin-chat a lot and it's pretty nice!

<dthompson>auto-reconnects, decently usable from a phone browser, etc.

<dthompson>tsyesika has put a ton of work into it

<jfred>any plans for a public pumpkin-chat room? ;P

<dthompson>heh we're not ready to handle the shenanigans that might cause

<dthompson>but we would love to move community chat into a goblins application

<dthompson>hopefully we can reach that point before too long

<dthompson>we need more security features, basically

<jfred>I still haven't gotten pumpkin-chat running locally yet but I'm guessing things like being able to kick users?

<dthompson>yeah

<jfred>makes sense, haha - risky not to have that :)

<dthompson>user management and admin tools aren't there

<dthompson>tsyesika is currently the gatekeeper of everything

<dthompson>and if one of us went rogue she couldn't revoke our capability easily

<jfred>oh, yeah - I guess for handing out access to a public room it might be helpful to have a service that generates unique capabilities to the room on-demand

<tsyesika>Idk about that :)

<jfred>so you can shut off access to the room from new users

<tsyesika>But if I went rogue :)

<jfred>:P

<dckc>cwebber, re autotools ( https://phanpy.social/#/social.coop/s/114347127752735697?view=full ) ...

<dckc>autotools in guile seems incoherent. autotools only exists because 1990s versions of HPUX and AUX and Solaris only had m4, not guile

<dckc>I'd be more than happy to relegate autotools to a distant memory

<dckc> https://dune.build/ seems like a fairly clean version of make. I wonder whether it's overly ocaml-specific

<dckc>I mean... you'd want to re-implement it in guile

<dckc>but the file formats are already s-expression-based... at least some of them

<dckc> https://scons.org/ is another alternative... if you can stand python3.6 (alone; no additional deps), you could use it as-is

<dckc>how do I ask "what is the bootstrap chain for https://hpc.guix.info/package/python ?"?

<dckc>gnu/packages/python.scm looks scary enough... not something you want to add to the dep tree of ~everything

<bremner>python 3.6 specifically? or some later version?

<bremner>there is zuo, but but that is closer to make than autotools (indeed, I thought scons was as well, but maybe I misremembered)

<bremner>also I don't know how hard it would be to port zuo to guile

<civodul>dckc: you can try “guix graph python” if you have Guix

<dckc>python 3.6 or later

<bremner>phew

<dckc>guix graph... not too scary: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/dckc/99f88b8e196e82c22a92717bb7a86d46/raw/c70d56eb8d90732f8cfe6a9ea376fe502b0d7775/python-deps.svg

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