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<dthompson>so office hours is today in just over 2 hours!

<dthompson>and we've got a little treat beforehand!

<dthompson>goblins 0.15.1 has been released :)

<dthompson> https://spritely.institute/news/spritely-goblins-v0-15-1-released.html

<dthompson>a patch release full of lots of little fixes, many of which were reported by the people that hang out here :)

<andreas-e>Excellent! Are you going to push the update to Guix, or would you like me to do it?

<andreas-e>Never mind, I see it is already there :)

<dthompson>andreas-e: :)

<dthompson>I push updates to guix as part of my release workflow

<andreas-e>Watch out, there is already a dependent package now :) But it still builds.

<dthompson>which one?

<dthompson>it's a patch release anyhow

<andreas-e>snuik

<dthompson>ah okay

<VonGuard> https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.02933?fbclid=IwY2xjawJRGm1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHVSZlKcNG9FUIUjsPw91sCq9VZT1_ay1Bz7bUaX3zBLRLa_kMNzDKTjAXg_aem_FYqYv8aLArJ6Ph5Xw2aMHw

<VonGuard>grr sorry for the FB id tag, https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.02933 is a better link

<VonGuard>Echomix: a Strong Anonymity System with Messaging

<dckc>so I got pumpkin-chat built... successfully built /gnu/store/f7pc71is15g0xrgkqmpjy13zpk0i2ar4-pumpkin-chat-0.1.0-git.drv

<dckc>now what? how to I start it up?

<dthompson>dckc: did you use guix shell?

<tsyesika>you need to serve the "client" folder over http somehow and then using "make server" starts the chatroom and will give you some sturdyrefs for users

<dckc>yes, I used `guix shell`

<dthompson>`make server` runs the server

<dthompson>`make client` runs the client

<dckc>$ make server

<dckc>make: *** No rule to make target 'server'. Stop.

<dckc>I see Makefile.am but no Makefile

<dthompson>are you familiar with autotools?

<tsyesika>you need to do ./bootstrap.sh && ./configure

<tsyesika>then you can do make

<dthompson>^ yeah

<tsyesika>I can't believe I missed that we have "make client" lol

<dckc>bootstrap worked, but configure blew chunks: configure: error: required guile module not found: (hoot compile)

<tsyesika>hm, my guess is it's using a different guile than the one from guix shell

<dckc>I am willfully ignorant of autotools :)

<dckc>"it's using a different guile than the one from guix shell" <- is that an issue I should file?

<dckc>or am I holding it wrong?

<tsyesika>I think it's suggesting there's some issue with your setup

<dckc>suggestions on how to diagnose?

<tsyesika>but I'll let dave answer what might be wrong as I'm not as familiar with guix as he is

<dckc>or should I go back and `guix shell --pure`?

<dckc>ok... hacktivation budget for pumpkin-chat exceeded, for now. here's a recording of my session: https://asciinema.org/a/710125

<dthompson>lol

<dthompson>well you got pretty far for something we have not made accessible to anyone but ourselves

<dckc>IOU a README based on the clues I received so far

<dckc>a PR for such

<dthompson>sure!

<dthompson>dckc: as tsyesika suspected, this is your issue:

<dthompson>checking for guile-3.0... /usr/bin/guile-3.0

<dthompson>guile's autotools integration is finding your distro's guile before guix's and that's no good

<dthompson>--pure ought to help, though the clearing of most environment variables may cause other issues depending on your setup

<Gooberpatrol_66>the spritely talk here is using the wrong video file

<Gooberpatrol_66> https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-5123-spritely-and-a-secure-collaborative-distributed-future/

<Gooberpatrol_66>it says christine is speaking but jessica is speaking

<dckc>bleh... I can't remove `/usr/bin/guile-3.0` without horking GnuCash. maybe I should get GnuCash from guix too. I think I tried that once... can't remember whether the experience was + or -

<dthompson>Gooberpatrol_66: yeah :( we've reported the issue and are still waiting on someone to fix it

<dthompson>we want to publish a blog post with a link to all the talks but we don't want to do that until this video is fixed

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