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<tonyg>hey cwebber it just occurred to me to thank you (again?) for switching canonical-order of terms to encoded byte strings rather than preserves-order. it's a good simplification

<tonyg>it means you can get canonical terms without having to fiddle around with floating-point total ordering etc :-)

<dthompson> https://davexunit.itch.io/cirkoban

<dthompson>^ spritely's entry into the lisp game jam

<dthompson>sokoban meets wireworld! it's a lot of fun!

<dthompson>the first artifact of goblins + hoot, showing off some core goblins features.

<cwebber>\o/

<civodul>dthompson: d’oh! just played (in LibreWolf), it’s amazing!

<civodul>woow

<civodul>now i’m stuck in a room with a sleeping devil

<old>dthompson: was all of this written in hoot?

<old>I don't see where goblin come into this?

<dthompson>old: yes this was compiled by hoot!

<dthompson>goblins is used to model the game objects and their interactions

<dthompson>it's not all of goblins, though. far from it. just the very core part that we've been able to port to hoot so far.

<dthompson>but the game is showing actors and rollback working. two of the most important parts.

<dthompson>imagine what we can do once we have goblins with no compromises 😈

<cwebber>:D

<cwebber>and if you're looking for more to read

<cwebber>wingo has had some lovely blogposts about Hoot recently

<cwebber> https://wingolog.org/archives/2024/05/16/on-hoot-on-boot

<cwebber> https://wingolog.org/archives/2024/05/22/growing-a-bootie

<cwebber> https://wingolog.org/archives/2024/05/24/hoots-wasm-toolkit

<cwebber> https://wingolog.org/archives/2024/05/27/cps-in-hoot

<cwebber>:)

<dthompson>the boot, the boot, the boot of hoot

<dthompson>ACTION goes afk, singing

<cwebber>;)

<old> dthompson: I'm not sure to follow why goblin is useful for a single player game. I though it was for distributed stuff? Maybe I've misunderstood gobling entirely

<old>cwebber: Thanks, I like reading wingo

<ekaitz>cwebber: i need to share some thoughts about wingo 's articles: he is so smart and knows that much that is really hard to follow

<ekaitz>superinteresting, but also "omg, i'm probably losing the 70% of the content"

<ekaitz>does this only happen to me?

<theruran>ekaitz: the whippet GC post read like it was for other GC implementers, and I had some trouble following. The Wasm posts have been really great, but I've had to supplement by reading all the Wasm posts and extra material elsewhere like the Wasm spec.

<ekaitz>yeah...

<ekaitz>i watched the whippet talk also and I think I understood better

<ekaitz>but... omg! this is cool and hard!

<theruran>right :P

<theruran>"compilation is just a graph" "gc is just a graph" ohhhh

<old>ekaitz: I've only had difficulty reading the on-hoot-on-boot because I don't get the pun joke in english I suppose

<old>It is easier to follow the posts with VM and GC knowledge I think

<ekaitz>yeah sure

<cwebber>old: it's powerful for distributed programs for sure

<cwebber> https://dustycloud.org/blog/goblins-time-travel-micropreview/ but it's also a powerful transactional object model in general which supports time travel

<cwebber>And indeed, the undo feature in Cirkoban is implemented on top of that feature exactly

<cwebber>No special game logic needs to be added to support time travel, just wiring it up to the UI

<cwebber>Obviously the superpowers of Goblins is distributed programming, but it turns out to be really cool even for single process programs

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