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<randy__>Release will be tomorrow

<jfred>I ran across this post today and thought some here might enjoy it: https://kellyshortridge.com/blog/posts/what-does-the-word-security-mean/

<jfred>In particular this part feels like it jives with what Spritely is going for:

<jfred>> Imagine a cybersecurity program with the goal of relieving the rest of the organization from anxiety about security… cybersecurity that promotes convenience and puts in the hard work of crafting design-based mitigations.

<jfred>(And the paragraph above that, but was too long to quote it here haha)

<parnikkapore_x>I smell a https://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2009/HPL-2009-53.html :)

<jfred>indeed :P

<dthompson>good morning all!

<villageidiot>Morning Mr. Thompson

<dthompson>hello :)

<villageidiot>Actually, dthompson: I feel a bit rude asking here... but I couldn't get your Chickadee "Hello World" example running in a guix shell (see https://bpa.st/DGLDM for the error). I hope it's something I've done wrong - if not I can report it at an appropriate place.

<dthompson>villageidiot: happy to talk about chickadee related things in #chickadee or #guile :)

<villageidiot>Gotcha, I'll pop over there, thanks

<dthompson>looks like guile is failing to write to the directory where it stores auto-compiled files though

<dthompson>more of an environment issue than a chickadee one

<dthompson>I'm very happy to announce that Guile Hoot v0.3.0 has been released! https://spritely.institute/news/guile-hoot-v030-released.html

<chitochi>congrats for the new version!

<dthompson>thanks chitochi

<ieugen>I saw hoot 0.3.0 release on website - but no announce on mastodon :)

<ieugen>I'm going to wait a bit until I announce it

<dthompson>ieugen: yeah official spritely post isn't out yet but I've posted on my personal account https://toot.cat/@dthompson/111845908250311194

<encryptedwhisper>hey folks! i was wondering if i could get a code review and figure out why my little chat app is complaining about "wrong type to apply" and not churning the vat without hitting return to refresh...

<encryptedwhisper>dthompson: christine told me to ping u

<encryptedwhisper> https://git.solarpunk.moe/vv/bugafriend

<encryptedwhisper>ignore the forge errors they are probably from me updating mastodon(?)

<dthompson>encryptedwhisper: got a backtrace?

<encryptedwhisper>the backtrace was not working :(

<encryptedwhisper>in that it didnt indicate a place in my code

<encryptedwhisper>i blame fibers

<dthompson>well that would be a bug in itself... would like to understand that a bit more because we attempt to provide relevant backtraces with relevant slices of the call stack

<dthompson>but in any case even a bad backtrace could be helpful along with the relevant section of code to look at

<jfred>(also: ooh, a chat app!)

<encryptedwhisper>ok! im away from pc but can provide that in 6hrs or so

<encryptedwhisper>for now i have this:

<encryptedwhisper>Command failed: #<&compound-exception components:

<encryptedwhisper>#<&irritants irritants: (#<unspecified>)> #<&exception-with-kind-and-args kind: wrong-type-arg

<encryptedwhisper>args: (#f "Wrong type to apply: ~S" (#<unspecified>) (#<unspecified>))>)>

<encryptedwhisper>Command failed: #<&compound-exception components:

<encryptedwhisper>#<&irritants irritants: (#<unspecified>)> #<&exception-with-kind-and-args kind: wrong-type-arg

<encryptedwhisper>args: (#f "Wrong type to apply: ~S" (#<unspecified>) (#<unspecified>))>)>

<Zarutian_iPad>use a pastebin if this error message is longer than that

<encryptedwhisper>sorry! spammed accidentally

<dthompson>no worries :)

<encryptedwhisper>thats all

<dthompson>okay so somewhere the unspecified value is operator position

<dthompson>is in*

<encryptedwhisper>im not sure exactly what that means, though i know "wrong type to apply" often means a stray set of parens

<dthompson>"wrong type to apply" means trying to call something that is not a procedure

<dthompson>and the exception irritants shows that the something in question was #<unspecified>

<dthompson>which is like the equivalent of undefined in javascript

<dthompson>ACTION works on getting r7rs benchmarks running with hoot

<encryptedwhisper>mmm i figured as much... very mysterious

<encryptedwhisper>ACTION looks over the code again...

<encryptedwhisper>i think the best approach is to binary search for it by deleting bits of code along the execution patg

<dthompson>encryptedwhisper: yeah that should help get you close to the problem

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