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<sam_>rsmarples: interesting :)

<sam_>glad it worked!

<sam_>it's still very much in its infancy so i'm glad it has proven useful already

<solid_black>hi :)

<solid_black>okay, maybe this works? polari is badly broken, and kiwiirc fails to connect

<Alicia>seems to work :)

<jab>morning friends!

<Alicia>good morning jab

<solid_black>morning jab Alicia!

<jab>solid_black: welcome back!

<solid_black>thanks, heh

<jab> https://giphy.com/gifs/the-blues-brothers-jake-and-elwood-CwMKejp4V6Z1K

<jab>solid_black: the coolest hurd news is that we have some unmerged "ext3/4fs" patches. I'm using them on real hardware.

<jab>It's just pending review.

<solid_black>I've been low-key following the mainling list, but not really looking into details

<solid_black>is it real ext3/ext4, or I think there were some patches to add a custom journal to ext2?

<sam_>bc8ac23d670ad3aeaddf693d30cdc2abbf9952af landed earlier :)

<sam_>solid_black: I think the question is somewhat academic

<sam_>if it's not literally the fs/ext4 implementation from linux..

<solid_black>and sam_, congrats on Gentoo, that's super amazing

<sam_>thank you!!

<sam_>it's been great fun and will continue to be I'm sure

<solid_black>I mean, my understanding was that the journal format was custom, and not in any way ext[34]-compatible

<sam_>nono, i think it is

<sam_>i think they said they even replayed it on linux

<solid_black>oh? that sounds cool then

<solid_black>I was, at the time, thinking we should have an all-new ext4fs based on the ext userspace libraries from linux

<solid_black>the ones that the fsck uses

<sam_>I posted a few weeks ago a kind of funny thing wrt plans for ext4 to be runnable via fuse

<solid_black>oh, btw, remember I had a fuse hurd project?

<sam_> https://lwn.net/Articles/1044432/ is an LWN writeup from a little while ago about it

<sam_>I don't but I'm new to following Hurd, I did see some bits about it when researching though

<sam_>I was curious about it but didn't ask more yet, because we have something that relies on fuse that would be nice to have

<solid_black>a real libfuse for the Hurd that had an API compatible to that of Linux's libfuse, but internally structured like the other Hurd translator frameworks (libdiskfs, libnetfs)

<sam_>(steve the jobserver)

<jab>You can read about "ext3/4fs" in the latest qoth. https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2026-q1.html

<solid_black>should I be setting up an amd64 system these days?

<jab>I'm running and64 on a T420. No issues.

<jab>amd64*

<jab>with I think 12 or 16 GB of ram.

<solid_black>hi jlledom!

<jlledom>hi!

<solid_black>I saw there was some talk about pageout and deadlocks recently, I think?

<solid_black>would be great to page (ha!) that back in, and help out

<solid_black>has anyone looked into virtio and AF_VSOCK?

<bjc>am i reading this right? did the ext2fs journaling stuff get committed?

<jab>bjc: it is just waiting review.

<jab>I am running it on real hardware.

<sam_>[15:16] <sam_> bc8ac23d670ad3aeaddf693d30cdc2abbf9952af landed earlier :)

<jab>I can send you the email link on how you can run it yourself.

<jab>if you want to be a tester of it.

<bjc>jab: see the commit sam_ posted

<jab>I'll take a look after lunch.

<jab>off topic, but if ya'll want some fun videos to watch on your lunch break today...I've really been getting into the fat electrician. He does american military history videos that are hilarious!

<jab> https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician/videos

<solid_black>I found my old work on libfuse, and also on reworked bootstrap

<solid_black>uploaded just now to https://github.com/bugaevc/hurd/tree/fuse/libfuse and https://github.com/bugaevc/hurd/tree/bootstrap/bootstrap

<solid_black>just so it doesn't get completely lost

<solid_black>hopefully someone can make sense of it, perhaps even myself

<jab>thanks for committing it somewhere. :)

<jab>might not be a bad idea to send an email to bug-hurd about it too.

<sam_>samuel already replied to the thread saying it

<azert>solid_black: wrt fuse for the Hurd, did you see this? https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2026/04/msg00032.html

<solid_black>I have not

<solid_black>(and hi azert!)

<solid_black>I remember that I quite disliked something about how the existing libfuse (which was a result of a gsoc project I believe?) was implemented

<solid_black>it could be that it was hooked up to netfs, or something like that? I don't remember the specifics

<solid_black>I strongly felt that it should be done differently, and started my own version

<azert>welcome back!

<solid_black>thanks :)

<solid_black>but as you can see I don't remember much

<azert>how does your libfuse differs deom

<azert>from Debian’

<jab>soo cool to see "ext3/4fs" patches merged. Maybe we should start calling it ext3fs...

<azert>solid_black: oh I see.. seems like a great idea! Basically a native libfuse for the Hurd!

<azert>I always wondered how filesystems that are not diskfs based handle mmap and paging

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