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<tux0r>unsurprisingly, a capitalist wants to sell stuff on the IRC

<tux0r>go sell linux stuff, jab. linuxers love their capitalist machinery.

<tux0r>RMS would not approve

<diegonc>ACTION grabs popcorn :D

<jab>tux0r: I am happy to tell you how to buy a used laptop and ebay and install the Hurd on it. If that proves too difficult (for some users it is), then I am happy to provide a service. :) #proudCapitolist

<jab>speaking of which: buy a laptop from this list: https://hurd.ion.nu/faq/drivers.html

<jab>then install Debian GNU/Hurd via: https://hurd.ion.nu/hurd/running/flash_qemu_img.html

<tux0r>welcome to my killfile.

<damo22>tux0r: i dont sell anything on irc, but if you want to try hurd, there are prebuilt images or installers available in the topic

<tux0r>i know how to try the hurd. it's just that i don't think that "buy my stuff" is even in the remote distance of what GNU is striving to be

<damo22>tux0r: users in this chat dont represent GNU

<tux0r>the hurd represents GNU though

<damo22>so?

<tux0r>i think that strong anticapitalist stances are actually endorsed in all of GNU's ecosystem, including (but not limited to) a hurd IRC channel

<tux0r>YMMV

<sam_>jab is not in here just to sell his wares, i don't think he is really being self promotional

<sam_>no need to be vicious

<tux0r>i'm not vicious. please, by all means, don't follow my example, do not put jab on your killfile just because i did

<tux0r>:)

<damo22>hes trying to be helpful to those who dont know how to install hurd themselves

<sam_>telling him to go sell other stuff is being a bit rude, you're free to ignore him

<sam_>but i don't think he is doing anything wrong

<tux0r>someone here has to be anticapitalist and i'm glad to be that someone

<tux0r>i *did* ignore him. physically.

<sam_>ok

<damo22>how does an anticapitalist obtain a laptop ?

<tux0r>stealing? honestly, most of mine were a coincidence

<tux0r>buying is the least illegal way we have, but i can still hate the sellers

<damo22>no need to steal, i would give you one free of charge if you werent a pain in the neck

<tux0r>GNU exists because RMS wanted to be a pain in the neck

<tux0r>ACTION shrugs

<damo22>i think rms wanted to share freedom with everyone

<tux0r>RMS saw his schoolyard buddies leave for the money and decided that money isn't the answer

<tux0r>he had a point.

<damo22>im pretty sure rms still uses money to obtain goods and services

<f_>:o laptops with hurd pre-installed.. interesting! TIL

<Gooberpatrol66>not to be like a "well actually" nerd, he's not a capitalist unless he's hiring employees and exploiting their labor

<Gooberpatrol66>if he's doing the work himself and selling the results then he's just selling his labor which is proletarian

<ahoka>Gooberpatrol66, corpratist exploitation is not free market capitalism and communism doesn't work. :>

<Gooberpatrol66>>corpratist exploitation is not free market capitalism

<Gooberpatrol66>what do you mean by this

<ahoka>Pretty self explanatory :>

<Gooberpatrol66>"Corporatism is a political ideology[1] and political system of interest representation and policymaking whereby corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, business, scientific, or guild associations, come together and negotiate contracts or policy (collective bargaining) on the basis of their common interests."

<Gooberpatrol66>seems unrelated to what i said

<ahoka>It isn't unrelated at all. You see corpratism happen when the SEC freezes trades of Gamestop Stock : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameStop_short_squeeze

<ahoka>Instead of individuals or classes competing freely (as in liberalism/capitalism) or the state owning everything (as in socialism/communism), society is structured around organized interest groups, and those interest groups always work in favor of the corporations (hence big lobbying today)

<ahoka>You do not have a "capitalist" economy, although I am well aware that much leftist-leaning individuals don't differentiate between the 2 systems of corporatism and free market capitalism

<Gooberpatrol66>so you're saying jab is an organized interest group? lmfao

<damo22>ahoka: we're getting a bit off topic but i think extreme capitalism does not work because greedy individuals become too powerful and don't contribute for the common good, and thus there is no such thing as a "free market" because its the super rich and a bunch of their mates running everything

<azert>I’m with damo22, all the bad speak about capitalism is deeply uninformed

<azert>first of all because we live in a society deeply controlled by the mafia

<azert>or I should better say mafias

<azert>“corporativism” is also wrong as a terminology, because it refers to post war America when the main focus was an equal playing field, equal opportinities

<damo22>ive heard economic theories that assume this sort of thing has a negligible effect on society, and they refer to them as "externalities" to the system, but if the power is centralised into few hands, this blows out of proportion

<azert>the royal family is an externality with a negligible effect of society if so

<damo22>yeah

<jab>oh man oh man we had a lively discussion in the #hurd channel yesterday! wow! hahaha

<jab>I personally own a purism phone. Best linux phone I've ever used. way better than the pinephone!

<jab>I bought said purism phone instead of stealing it... for those who were wondering... :)

<jab>also, for those who lean towards not liking capitalism...that doesn't bother me. I hope that we can still be friends.

<jab>and thanks for the people who had my back! :)

<ahoka>"<25Gooberpatrol6618> so you're saying jab is an organized interest group? lmfao" <- No. I'm saying Corpratism is not Capitalism.

<ahoka><damo22> ahoka: we're getting a bit off topic but i think extreme capitalism does not work because greedy individuals become too powerful and don't contribute for the common good, and thus there is no such thing as a "free market" because its the super rich and a bunch of their mates running everything We disagree on definitions but I think we agree on principles. I wouldn't call it "extreme capitalism" but I get what you're

<ahoka>referring to.

<Alicia>jab: I don't like capitalism and it doesn't bother me that you paid for it. we live in a capitalist system so engaging with it is unavoidable

<jab>My favorite joke on this subject....The definition of liberty is "of an pertaining to freedom." The modern definition of a liberal is "of an pertaining to freedom with other people's money." :) That's enough of off topic for me for today.

<jab>of and pertaining to freedom*

<diegonc>hm, rumpnet detects vbox PCnet-FAST III network device but hangs the whole system after the line:

<diegonc>Enter evaluation : _SB.PCI0._PRT (Method)

<diegonc>the same method is evaluated by rumpdisk without issue :/

<diegonc>during boot. I'm not sure how to debug it.

<diegonc>yay! the i386 image works fine under virtualbox

<ahoka>I'm glad you got it working on virtualbox diegonc

<ahoka>I think more people would develop/use GNU/Hurd if they knew more about its unique qualities :>

<diegonc>yeah, qemu is much slower for me (wihtout kvm)

<diegonc>aand I managed to break it :( i'll start from scratch....

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