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<azeem>youpi: do you haven an opinion/feedback on https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CA%2BhUKGKAUa7ybQ9%3D6ap2uh-TmHtH8wFL-DTeeh-swprg%2BRf%3D%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com ? (might need to hit reload a few times, their varnish seems to 500 every now and then)
<azeem>meh
<azeem>youpi: do you haven an opinion/feedback on https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CA%2BhUKGKAUa7ybQ9%3D6ap2uh-TmHtH8wFL-DTeeh-swprg%2BRf%3D%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com ? (might need to hit reload a few times, their varnish seems to 500 every now and then)
<youpi>io_read RPCs can be submitted async yes
<youpi>it's not only devices, but files too
<azeem>Postgres is moving to async I/O
<azeem>youpi: if you want, I can follow-up with Thomas Munro and CC you so you could discuss directly with him
<youpi>yes
<azeem>Thomas also asked whether __gnu_hurd__ would be better than __GNU__ as platform macro, but I think we usually recommmend __GNU__?
<youpi>we usually use __GNU__ yes
<azeem>ah, he pushed the fix with __GNU__, I didn't see his latest mail
<gnu_srs1>Is it possible to debug the boot sequence with gdb? Probably not. If a script is invoked set -x could be used. What to do otherwise?
<gnu_srs1>I think the setup-translators script should check if default-pager exists before: touch default-pager 2> /dev/null. Something like if [ -x default-pager]; then rm default-pager; fi
<gnu_srs1>A bug?
<azeem>is setup-translators run during boot?
<gnu_srs1>No, only when installing hurd.
<gnu_srs1>And setup-translators fails if the default-pager is broken: /usr/lib/hurd/setup-translators -K
<gnu_srs1>/hurd/proxy-defpager: no default memory manager set!; chmod: cannot access 'default-pager' : Translator died!
<gnu_srs1>booting the image in Rescue mode with the installer works fine. apt etc is OK, and network works if set up manually.
<jack-sparrow> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7158c0f4/ <-- work out of box
<sneek>jack-sparrow, you have 1 message!
<sneek>jack-sparrow, gnucode says: It will be a long time before the latest firefox is updated to work on the Hurd. The "best" web browser for the Hurd seems to be Ladybird. Sergey got it compiled and running some time ago. It may be a several years before you can do an 'apt install ladybird'.
<jack-sparrow>sneek no X
<azert>I doubt that Ladybird still compiles under the Hurd!
<azert>But you can apt-get install surf
<azert>which is excellent
<azert> https://surf.suckless.org
<azert>jack-sparrow: dead link
<jack-sparrow>??
<jack-sparrow>havn't dwm on debian-hurd
<azert>doesn’t matter
<azert>surf works
<jack-sparrow>can't test, without X
<azert>You can probably fix dwm
<jack-sparrow>yes i will try
<azert>how come no X?
<jack-sparrow>from trixie
<jack-sparrow>i waiting gnome
<azert>forget about gnome
<azert>gnome wouldn’t be desiderable even if it worked imho
<azert>why X doesn’t work for you?
<jack-sparrow>nothing, i support it's work but no test
<jack-sparrow>imho ?
<azert>ok, then it probably works for you
<azert>imho is short for In My Humble Opinion
<jack-sparrow>suppose *
<azert>which actually means the opposite and it’s something used when behaving arrogant
<azert>Like Gnome Sucks imho
<jack-sparrow>ok
<jack-sparrow>it's work fine on trixie
<azert>what works fine?
<jack-sparrow>and all in one, bluetooth wifi and else
<azert>Nope
<jack-sparrow>gnome on trixie
<jack-sparrow>on trixie
<azert>gnome doesn’t even install on the hurd
<azert>there are no Bluetooth nor WiFi drivers
<azert>what you claim is impossible
<azert>but.. X11 works, and you can use “surf” as an excellent web browser
<jack-sparrow>ok thank
<jack-sparrow>i will continue to test
<jack-sparrow>have mate ?
<azert>great, let us know
<azert>no, there is no mate
<jack-sparrow>ok
<jack-sparrow>xfce ?
<azert>if you are into communistic looking gtk desktop, try xfce! That was working some time ago
<jack-sparrow> https://paste.debian.net/1409066/
<azert>Forget about xfce!
<azert>You can install xfwm4?
<azert>looks broken from your paste
<azert>Does xmonad work?
<youpi>as https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install documents, icewm should work fine
<jack-sparrow>ok icewm out size in qemu kvm
<jack-sparrow>and ctl+alt backspace freeze qemu
<jack-sparrow> https://paste.debian.net/1409068/
<azert>check the x11 configuration, you can set the resolution in xorg.conf
<youpi>that's documented in the hurd-install webpage
<azert>also you can exit icewm using the menu item, no need to kill it
<youpi>azert: exiting icewm will not manage to kill the X server
<jack-sparrow>ok now work, but default size out for 1920x1080
<jack-sparrow>i full screen is ok
<azert>Try the surf browser, should work
<jack-sparrow>but xterm too tiny
<azert>you can set the xterm font
<jack-sparrow>ok how please ?
<azert>Ask ChatGPT
<azert>It’s .Xresources file
<jack-sparrow> https://paste.debian.net/1409070/
<jack-sparrow>ok go out vacine the cat
<jack-sparrow>take care
<azert>That looks like an error Linux side
<azert>Take care!
<azert>I wonder if Debian webmasters aware that their pasteboard is being used for illegal activities?
<jack-sparrow>beback
<jack-sparrow>azeem, what ?
<azeem>ITYM azert
<azeem>azeem: the pastebin is a debian.net service, though run by an indidual developer and not the webmasters
<azeem>(that individual happens to be my boss at work)
<azeem>oh he left
<jack-sparrow>sure, paste.debian.net not use for detourned fonction
<jack-sparrow>azert surf don't work
<jab>surf does work. You might have to compile from source, but it does work.