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<AlmuHS_>hi. I've just tested the latest amd64 iso image in my T440p, and the installer detects successfully my CD drive and my SSD

<sneek>Welcome back AlmuHS_, you have 1 message!

<sneek>AlmuHS_, p4r4D0xum says: You mentioned something about grub noide flag? Could you elaborate?

<AlmuHS_>other day i will try both images (i386 and amd64) in my older T410, trying to install them with rumpdisk

<damo22>COOL

<damo22>sneek: later tell AlmuHS i dont know which image you tested but i tried both samuel's daily and the latest amd64 official release and both still dont boot rumpdisk on my thinkpad w530

<sneek>Okay.

<damo22>AlmuHS_: hi

<AlmuHS_>damo22: I use the 20250624 image

<sneek>Welcome back AlmuHS_, you have 1 message!

<sneek>AlmuHS_, damo22 says: i dont know which image you tested but i tried both samuel's daily and the latest amd64 official release and both still dont boot rumpdisk on my thinkpad w530

<damo22>where is that?

<AlmuHS_> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/latest/hurd-amd64/

<damo22>yeah i booted that image and rumpdisk failed at IDENTIFY wm0

<damo22>wd0*

<damo22>to be clear i wrote the netinst to my usb stick

<AlmuHS_>testing now in t410

<AlmuHS_>i'm using a CD

<damo22>cd is better but i dont have any

<damo22>i cant unpack the installer via usb but it should still probe wd0

<AlmuHS_>strange: in t410 doesn't detect the CD, but in t410 yes

<damo22>t410 t410?

<AlmuHS_>y

<AlmuHS_>in t440p yes

<damo22>ok

<damo22>t440p is haswell

<AlmuHS_>yes

<damo22>newer than mine

<AlmuHS_>4th gen

<damo22>mine is 3rd gen ivybridge

<AlmuHS_>and t410 is 1st gen

<damo22>so things work on >= 4th gen maybe

<AlmuHS_>i will test i386 image now

<damo22>really need to fix this

<AlmuHS_>i386 iso image continues working fine with rumpdisk

<damo22>on t440p?

<AlmuHS_>in t410

<AlmuHS_>i can test it in T440p too

<damo22>but the up+apic change is it in the image?

<AlmuHS_>im

<damo22>i expect i386 is already working on old hardware without AHCI

<damo22>with no apic

<AlmuHS_>in t410 rumpdisk works in i386 image, but not in amd64 image

<damo22>yeah, probably amd64 gnumach is compiled with --enable-apic ?

<AlmuHS_>i don't know. I tested the iso image

<damo22>are you using ahci in your bios?

<AlmuHS_>yes, in both

<AlmuHS_>in t440p i configured legacy BIOS

<AlmuHS_>t410 is legacy BIOS already

<damo22> t410 t440p

<damo22>i386 y y

<damo22>amd64 n y

<AlmuHS_>it is

<damo22>is that table correct?

<AlmuHS_>i've just tested i386 iso with noide in t440p and detect correctly the CD and disk

<damo22>i thought the installer does that already

<AlmuHS_>the i386 image requires noide flag yet

<damo22>ah ok

<AlmuHS_>the amd64 image only support rumpdisk

<damo22>yeh that makes sense

<damo22>but ive never been able to boot on 2nd or 3rd gen with rumpdisk

<AlmuHS_>but it's a surprise that amd64 iso detect the disk in a 4th gen but not in a 1st gen

<damo22>indeed

<AlmuHS_>i doesn't try to finish the install in my t440p, because i need to replace the disk to don't lose my current data

<AlmuHS_>but the steps in which load data from CD works, and the partitioner detects the SSD

<damo22>youre going to end up with a lot of dead cds

<damo22>all we need to do is add rumpusbdisk to the installer??

<AlmuHS_>maybe

<AlmuHS_>this could be a great advance

<AlmuHS_>but... rumpusbdisk depends of rumpdisk?

<damo22>nope

<AlmuHS_>ok, then is good

<damo22>rumpusbdisk.static

<AlmuHS_>then, if rumpdisk doesn't works correctly, there are the possibility of rumpusbdisk works

<damo22>well you *could* just boot off liveusb

<damo22>and have no disk

<AlmuHS_>yeah

<damo22>AlmuHS_: but for testing, you cant be burning a new cd everytime you want to test, just install to a disk and hotswap the disk

<AlmuHS_>yes, i did it many times, installing from qemu and setting a real disk (connected from USB) as destination

<AlmuHS_>but it's very tedious process

<damo22> https://www.ebay.es/itm/317029858958

<AlmuHS_>yes, this is the cable that i was using to install from qemu to a real disk

<AlmuHS_>but it's tedious anyway

<damo22>but you only need to install once

<damo22>then if you want to test a change, compile the package on hurd in the disk

<damo22>and install just the binary to /hurd

<damo22>cp /hurd/acpi.static /hurd/acpi.static.safe

<AlmuHS_>sometimes i had to repeat the process 6 or 7 times

<damo22>then overwrite the acpi.static binary with a test

<AlmuHS_>to test in different HDD, or test installing from different iso images...

<damo22>there is no point testing that

<damo22>if the code isnt booting on the installed disk, the installer wont work

<damo22>we only need to test the installer once things are working and you want to actually fix the installer

<AlmuHS_>sometimes i want to check that the failure is not from the installer

<damo22>unlikely

<AlmuHS_>some components which could be bad integrated (or not enable) in the installer

<damo22>hurd is basically a bunch of translators attached to nodes in /dev

<damo22>and glibc

<AlmuHS_>today i wanted to check that the new images doesn't have building errors. And sometimes the errors only appears in physical

<AlmuHS_>o

<damo22>unless you are fixing bugs in the installer, there is no point testing cds

<AlmuHS_>i wanted to find bugs in the installer

<damo22>ok

<AlmuHS_>but i only burn the stable (or current) images

<AlmuHS_>Never daily or weekly

<AlmuHS_>neither monthly

<damo22>yeah but if you want to help development more, you need a development environment installed on a disk

<AlmuHS_>and i have this

<damo22>cool

<AlmuHS_>my T410 have already installed the i386 version

<AlmuHS_>with rumpdisk

<damo22>i dont have a machine that works yet

<damo22>but development is faster in qemu

<damo22>x86/x86_64 is a dead end for freedom

<damo22>the firmware is now locked down and its extremely difficult to replace it

<AlmuHS_>my t410 works with i386 version and rumpdisk, but with the problem with rumpdisk+SMP (which doesn't exist in qemu)

<AlmuHS_>So i have this machine to test in real hardware each time that some driver (including rumpdisk) is updated

<AlmuHS_>because in qemu works almost things

<damo22>its late here, i need to sleep

<AlmuHS_>ok, good night

<damo22>nite

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