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<mghackerlady>I've been reading up on the hurd for a while now and am wondering is anyone thinks it'll ever actually be "complete" so to speak

<ThinkT510>what would you consider as complete?

<mghackerlady>Idk really, something production ready. Something you can actually use without too much of a hassle

<mghackerlady>I put complete in quotes as I'm aware a project like this is never really complete

<mghackerlady>A more abstract way of putting it would be a release version instead of an alpha or beta but I'm not too sure as to how well that wording applies to a project like the hurd

<ThinkT510>without a more rigid definition of complete you probably won't get a satisfying answer for when

<ThinkT510>if you are a fan of debian then the correct answer is "when it is ready"

<ThinkT510>production ready will mean different things for different people. all depends on your use case

<mghackerlady>fair enough

<mghackerlady>I really wish more people were interested in this project, I'd help out more but my systems programming isn't very good

<ThinkT510>I'd like more developers to be interested in microkernels in general

<mghackerlady>The only reason I bring this up is because I was reading up on the tanenbaum-torvalds debate and tanenbaum mentioned we'd all be running GNU in 5 years anyway

<mghackerlady>what an optimistic time the 90s were

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: You don't need that much hassle anymore

<p4r4D0xum>Hurd is mostly run in vm, leaving real hardware mostly untested. Although some hurd users begin to test it on real hardware and it's working!

<ThinkT510>they left

<p4r4D0xum>:D

<ThinkT510>mghackerlady: welcome back

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: Hurd is mostly run in vm, leaving real hardware mostly

<p4r4D0xum> untested. Although some hurd users begin to test it on real

<p4r4D0xum> hardware and it's working!

<mghackerlady>How so? the way I see it the biggest hurd(ha)le for most people would be the lack of USB support

<mghackerlady>ThinkT510: thanks, my wifi shit the bed

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: not really graceful of your wifi

<p4r4D0xum>imho

<mghackerlady>yep. Probably my fault lol. My wifis actually really good, my desk is just as far away from the router as possible conveniently

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: lack of usb can be inconvenient

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: openwrt perhaps?

<p4r4D0xum>Maybe that's going to make your day?

<p4r4D0xum>would be cool to port hurd to mips!

<mghackerlady>anyway, the bit about it being run in a VM is kinda what I mean. Sure, it's *usable* but I'd hardly call it that if it can't really be used baremetal for most usecases

<mghackerlady>I've been thinking of trying to port the hurd to PowerPC funnily enough, I know nothing about operating systems or porting things from x86 to powerpc but how hard can it be really

<mghackerlady>Mach already runs on powerpc so it'd just be everything else that needs doing

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: buying my emac g3 today. :P

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: yeah, about that, it's derived from mach4...

<p4r4D0xum>and that's it

<mghackerlady>I didn't know they had G3 eMacs, I thought they were just G4 machines

<mghackerlady>ah, (I say not knowing what that means for porting it)

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: emacs were educational macs, G3 had various models mostly known for they clam powerbooks

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: well, at least the working concept it similiar, that's definitely not nothing

<mghackerlady>yeah I know, I partake in 90s-early 2000s apple from time to time

<p4r4D0xum>be right back, my erc doesn't work how I like it no more

<mghackerlady>p4r4DOxum: would there be any possibility of running the hurd on a different version of mach? I suppose at that point it might be better to just port the hurd to a better microkernel

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: Not a hurd developer myself, so do not know, more like hurd masochist

<p4r4D0xum>I just checked, there was a powerppc port attempt back in the past

<mghackerlady>haha I get that

<mghackerlady>I literally just started reading about that, I was aware that there was talk but didn't know if it had gone anywhere

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: I recommend just playing it.

<p4r4D0xum>s/playing it/playing with it

<mghackerlady>Yeah, I was just about to try spinning up a hurd vm

<p4r4D0xum>I bet you will have some old laptop around and just dd it to a disk like I did

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: vm is a nightmare in my opinion

<mghackerlady>I actually don't at the moment, I have an old laptop that would prolly work but it has terrible overheating problems and shuts off after a few minutes of using it

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: then I do recommend not using it, hurd doesn't have thermal shutdown yet to my knowledge

<mghackerlady>No worries, my laptop does it automatically (Fuck you dell and your stupid anything over normalish operating temperature is dangerous BS)

<p4r4D0xum>mghackerlady: well, that's one way to put it.

<damo22>p4r4D0xum: we didnt just suddenly decide to test it on real hardware and were like, hey it works, there was actual effort put in to make it run on hardware

<damo22>and we still need more effort from more people

<damo22>as you noticed, smp has some problems and we really need to fix it

<damo22>it may not even be a kernel problem

<damo22>we need more people to stop thinking like, oh i dont know about operating systems so i cant be of any help, and just overcome that and try to run it and try to debug a few things that seem to be not working

<damo22>so if you have any C experience, i encourage you to try debugging hurd

<RamonaZero>i hurd that o.o

<RamonaZero>alright, ill take my leave, thank you for coming to my ted talk :0

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