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<youpi>sneek: later tell AlmuHS "halt" is not meant to shut a machine off, it's "poweroff" which is <AlmuHS>youpi: same. I tried poweroff too, and neither works <sneek>AlmuHS, youpi says: "halt" is not meant to shut a machine off, it's "poweroff" which is <AlmuHS>i tried halt, poweroff and halt-hurd <youpi>AlmuHS: there's poweroff-hurd too <AlmuHS>added to this, i think that i found the keyboard layout error <youpi>we fixed that in 1:0.9.git20240714-1 <youpi>in /etc/default/hurd-console <youpi>-[ -z "$XKBLAYOUT" ] || KBD="$KBD --keymap $XKBLAYOUT" <youpi>+[ -z "$XKBMODEL" ] || KBD="$KBD --model $XKBMODEL" <youpi>+[ -z "$XKBLAYOUT" ] || KBD="$KBD --layout $XKBLAYOUT" <youpi>+[ -z "$XKBVARIANT" ] || KBD="$KBD --variant $XKBVARIANT" <youpi>+[ -z "$XKBOPTIONS" ] || KBD="$KBD --options $XKBOPTIONS" <ZhaoM>Is our /tmp mounted using tmpfs translator? <sneek>Welcome back ZhaoM, you have 1 message! <sneek>ZhaoM, gnucode says: nice work with mounting a tmpfs with rump. That was quick work! <ZhaoM>'showtrans /tmp' shows nothing <AlmuHS>CapsLock doesn't work properky. Does not keep pressed <ZhaoM>never mind I think statfs can give me an answer <youpi>ZhaoM: showtrans only shows passive translators, not active ones <youpi>it's configured in /etc/default/tmpfs <AlmuHS>damo22: then we have two bugs in thinkpad: turning off and rumpdisk+smp <AlmuHS>and rumpdisk in old ThinkPad, like T60 or before <AlmuHS>i tried in my T60, R60e and R61i, and rumpdisk doesn't detect the HDD in any of this <AlmuHS>i followed this steps. OK in T410, failure in the olders <damo22>what do you mean failure, what happens? <ZhaoM>It reminds me of booting qemu with rumpdisk with and without '-M q35' <AlmuHS>doesn't detect the harddisk, simply <ZhaoM>damo22: ext2fs: part:1:device:wd0: No such device or address <AlmuHS>yes, it's the same error than qemu without -M q35 <ZhaoM>This is the last log I saw then it hangs <damo22>i think we need better logging of translators <AlmuHS>yes, although in real hardware can be difficult <ZhaoM>youpi: got it I can see my /tmp is not mounted as tmpfs <AlmuHS>but starting from qemu without -M q35 can be a good idea <damo22>unfortunately only some thinkpads have serial <ZhaoM>Do we need to disassemble T60 to find the serial port? <damo22>T60 probably can do serial with the dock <ZhaoM>I can do it. I once flashed my router using it's serial port, so I have some experience. <damo22>i think you can pick up a dock on ebay for like $25 second hand with a serial port for the T60 <damo22>it would be nice to see what is actually happening during boot and increase the verbosity of rump/acpi perhaps <ZhaoM>eh can anyone send me a link to 'dock'? The word 'dock' is quite old to me <ZhaoM>hard to imagine what it looks like and what's it name in Chinese <damo22>yeah that port under the laptop can extend all the ports <damo22>i used to have a T60 and i still have the dock for it somewhere <damo22>but my T60 EC died and i couldnt start up the laptop anymore <damo22>maybe the battery was bad and i should have kept it, at the time i gave up <damo22>no AlmuHS that one is missing serial port <ZhaoM>what does a serial port on the dock looks like <ZhaoM>So the green one in the image I sent? <damo22>yes next to the parallel port massive pink one <AlmuHS>each of ours searching the dock close to our country, hahaha <AlmuHS>meanwhile, good news: rumpdisk works in SSD, testing from my T410 <damo22>AlmuHS: damo22: learning Spanish? not quite, i can read what it means usually but cant form my own translation <damo22>it should be possible to get a console log over a usb port but i dont have the right dongle <damo22>but that wont help at boot most likely <gnu_srs>youpi: Seems like the build of rustc on Mahler is stuck? <ZhaoM>Just bought the dock. I think I can start sending the boot log just a few days later. <youpi>gnu_srs: it got stuck, yes, left it aside, it's not urging <gnucode>sneek later tell AlmuHS When you run the Hurd on the T410, do you have internet connectivity via the ethernet port? <sneek>AlmuHS_, you have 1 message! <sneek>AlmuHS_, gnucode says: When you run the Hurd on the T410, do you have internet connectivity via the ethernet port? <AlmuHS_>gnucode: yes, i haven't internet connection without any problem <AlmuHS_>detected by default from the installer <gnucode>How did you install the T410? Could you use the installer images? <AlmuHS_>i can use the installer, but the latest installation was from external cable because the rumpkernel version of 2023's image doesn't detect the SATA interface <gnucode>You used a cable to install the T410 ? <AlmuHS_>extracting the HDD and connecting it to Qemu in other machines using a USB to SATA cablr <AlmuHS_>Then I install the system in the HDD (or SSD) from Qemu, and later put the harddisk again in the T410 <AlmuHS_>To use a real harddisk in Qemu i simply specify that the harddisk file is in raw format and indicates /dev/sdb as the disk file's path <AlmuHS_>previously I make a chmod 777 /dev/sdb , to avoid permission problems <gnucode>wow! That's pretty wild. Too bad the installer doesn't work properly on it. <AlmuHS_>when we get a new stable image, then we can install directly from the installer again <AlmuHS_>it could be useful enable rumpusbdisk in the installer to be able to boot it from a pendrive <gnucode>also should we maybe add more ideas to our google summer of code page? <gnucode>I feel like it's been a while since that page has changed... <gnucode>It would be cool to encourage someone to port pledge and unveil. <AlmuHS_>idea: update X stack. The Hurd's Xorg version is very old <AlmuHS_>gnucode: take notes about these ideas <AlmuHS_>more ideas: port java (using icedtea) <AlmuHS_>and port libdrm to get graphics card support <AlmuHS_>other idea: port rumpaudio to get drivers for audio supports <AlmuHS_>i'm not sure, but the package is named as "legacy" already <AlmuHS_>and doesn't support Ctrl+Alt+Fx to return to the tty, the configuration is very hacky... 
