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<mightysands>Hi, I was looking into what hardware the Hurd can run on, and I noticed that it can't run X window system on core/librebooted devices due to them lacking VESA drivers and Hurd currently lacking Direct Render Management

<mightysands>I was just curious. Given that core/libreboot don't address this and aren't GNU projects respectively; will GNU Boot try to solve this ?

<mightysands>(due to the synergy shared between both projects for Guix)

<mightysands>or will it be something left entirely up to the Hurd side ?

<mightysands> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/faq/drivers/

<Gooberpatrol_66>i think damo22 is working on drm for hurd

<mightysands>It all sounds so complex. I only know the tiniest bit of C from reading half of Jon Erickson's Hacking: The Art Of Exploitation, and a bit of lisp. Any idea what subdomains are most important to learn to be able to contribute to the Hurd over the next few years ?

<mightysands>I'd love to get it running on a Risc-V mobo once a RVA23 compliant processor hits the market, or to get it working on my Thinkpad T60 with Guix at least (with sound, video and internet)

<Gooberpatrol_66>hurd doesn't run on risc-v, you'd have to port it

<Gooberpatrol_66>"read the hurd wiki a lot" is probably my best advice

<mightysands>Could you tell me a little more about what porting Hurd to a new ISA like Risc-v would entail ? In my mind, as a bunch of disparate abstract ideas, if a kernel is written in C, then I'm lead to the conclusion that all if not a hefty majority of the OS being ported would just demand a recompile using GCC.

<mightysands>But obviously that's incredibly naive...

<Gooberpatrol_66>solid_black made a port to aarch64 recently, so you could just look at his patches to get an idea of what is involved

<mightysands>btw, as a quick note, one might want to update the community page on the hurd website. hurdfr.org is now what appears to be a broken gambling site (?)

<mightysands>Gooberpatrol_66: Thanks, I can take a look at that

<mightysands>Just to check, the hurd wiki is the weblogs page, right ?

<Gooberpatrol_66>hurd.gnu.org

<Gooberpatrol_66>or https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/ for newer edits

<Gooberpatrol_66>also read operating systems: design and implementation for general knowledge about OS programming

<mightysands>Thanks, will do

<mightysands>Actually, while I'm here I suppose I have one more painfully basic question

<mightysands>I've heard that Hurd/Guix doesn't have working video or sound, but apparently Hurd/Debian does. Ik that Hurd/Debian has been in dev since '98, but how come the progress on the hurd with debian with sound/video isn't something that just carries over to instantly, as part of hurd itself, for guix/hurd ?

<mightysands>carries over instantly*

<Gooberpatrol_66>i actually have no idea why xorg is broken in hurd guix

<Gooberpatrol_66>janneke might know

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