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<damo22>#2 0x01328d50 in __device_read_inband (device=9, mode=0, recnum=4294967295, bytes_wanted=16, data=0x3235ed0 "\005", dataCnt=0x3235ecc)

<damo22>that cant be good

<damo22>ah no, recnum can be -1

<gnucode>damo22: may I ask what made you want to start working on making sure X worked on a libreboot/coreboot Hurd laptop?

<damo22>because i cant use hurd on my existing machines otherwise

<damo22>also its useful to have a graphical console

<gnucode>damo22: I'm glad you're doing it. Just curious.

<RandomUser>Hello again, I wanted to learn more about starting to contribute to Hurd. Are there are pre-requisites skills required?

<Gooberpatrol66>c programming

<Gooberpatrol66>or you can write documentation, so, english

<RandomUser>@Gooberpatrol66 sorry for the late response, but I know only basic C - would that be enough? What about assembly?

<azert>RandomUser: there is not that much to learn about C

<azert>Assembly is useful

<azert>Find a problem and try to solve it

<azert>Did you try to use the Hurd first?

<RandomUser>@azert Hi, yes, I've used QEMU to boot it virtually from the img file, played around with common Unix commands, that's it.

<azert>So what are your interests?

<azert>RandomUser: did you check the sources?

<RandomUser>azert: Honestly, I am still exploring my interests. So far, I've been on Guix, and I guess I would like to add support for Hurd.

<RandomUser>I've not explored the source in depth, but given how it is a huge project, where should I look into, as a beginner in kernel dev?

<azert>It’s not a huge projecy

<azert>There is Hurd, Gnumach and Glibc

<azert>But Glibc is mostly shared with gnu/Linux

<azert>RandomUser: there is already Guid Hurd

<azert>You should check that out for sure they need help

<azert>Guix Hurd

<azert>In regards to the Hurd proper, it misses basic drivers, try to run it on real hw

<damo22>ive got a gfx console now but need to iron out a few bugs before i mail it in

<solid_black>\o/

<sneek>solid_black, you have 1 message!

<sneek>solid_black, gnucode says: thanks for the gdb tip. I didn't realize that threaded debugging was borked on the Hurd.

<gnucode>heyo hurd people! We are about to get have our gamejam in oun hour!

<gnucode>one*

<gnucode>damo22: How do you feel about setting up the zenburn theme for the Hurd console by default?

<gnucode>That just sounds wicked cool to me!

<gnucode> https://emacsthemes.com/themes/zenburn-theme.html

<gnucode>solid_black: You're welcome to come to the Hurd game jam in an hour. "ballz" works on the Hurd!

<gnucode>crawl does too.

<gnucode>angband should, but it errors when you start it "requires UTF-8". Weird.

<gnucode>Hurd game jam is live!

<Arsen>:o a game jam?

<gnucode>yeah!

<gnucode>Arsen: do you wanna come

<Arsen>I'm afraid I'm not much of a game developer

<gnucode>me neither!

<Arsen>heh, but also, I have some silly projects to finish.. university stuff, so boring inherently

<gnucode>sudo apt install alex4 didn't work for me.

<gnucode>I can't start i3!

<gnucode>"cannot open display"

<gnucode>grr!

<gnucode>guix install xinit

<almuhs>install openbox

<gnucode>let me try.

<gnucode>startx is not working.

<gnucode>I don't think running openbox is going to work either.

<gnucode>I use i3

<gnucode>on the Hurd.

<gnucode>Gooberpatrol66: it sounds like qemu is not working for you at all!

<gnucode>Maybe send an email to bug-hurd@gnu.org

<gnucode>also icewm is really good.

<gnucode>I use the latest and greatest Hurd image.

<gnucode>uname -a

<gnucode>GNU pippin 0.9 GNU-Mach 1.8+git20240714-up-486/Hurd-0.9 i686-AT386 GNU

<gnucode>I run the debian unstable version.

<gnucode>Not the T60

<gnucode>the T400

<gnucode>X200 ? have working internet?

<gnucode>T410 has working internet.

<gnucode>on the Hurd.

<gnucode>Did you say the X400 ?

<gnucode>T410 seems to work. X220 and X230 works with some issues.

<gnucode>So apparently you can install the Hurd via a virtual machine...

<almuhs>you can connect the qemu harddrive to /dev/sdX

<almuhs>you needs to make chmod 777 /dev/sdX before it

<gnucode>that's cool!

<gnucode> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/hurd/running/qemu/#index7h1

<gnucode>ssh -p5555 localhost

<gnucode>Port Forwarding in QEMU/KVM

<gnucode> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/faq/drivers/

<almuhs>yeah, but it can be added to the script

<almuhs>check my qemu scripts https://github.com/AlmuHS/gnumach_dev_scripts

<p4r4D0xum>hello, what about hurd gaming jam - did I miss it? ;(

<sneek>Welcome back p4r4D0xum, you have 1 message!

<sneek>p4r4D0xum, etno says: I updated debian/hurd-i386 yesterday and it went fine. I update regularly and did not experience any hang so far.

<gnucode>We are still live.

<gnucode>I'll send you link.

<p4r4D0xum>gnucode since when? :>

<gnucode> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2024-10/msg00027.html

<gnucode>since an hour ago maybe?

<gnucode>it's turned into tech support basically.

<gnucode>but you are welcome to join.

<p4r4D0xum>:D

<p4r4D0xum>going to walk my dog first and then I'll give it a go.

<p4r4D0xum>thank you!

<gnucode>sounds good!

<gnucode>GLX bad context?

<gnucode>I think porting pledge and unviel to the Hurd would be cool.

<gnucode>almuhs: what do you normally game on?

<gnucode>what games do you normally play?

<almuhs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFPw8WCe7Ew

<gnucode>ok. thanks!

<etno>Many moons ago, I remember enjoying 'atc' from bsd-games. Never tried it on the Hurd, but it is likely available already in debian.

<gnucode>let's not post this video ok? It's kind of embarassing that we could not play many games.

<gnucode>sudo apt install bsd-games unable to locate package

<gnucode>sudo apt install bsdgames

<gnucode>atc looks cool.

<gnucode> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/hurd/subhurd/

<etno>gnucode: 👍

<gnucode>etno: I hae never tried a subhurd, but I want to!

<gnucode>gnucode.me

<gnucode>our hurd game jam has turned into me and Gooberpatrol66 talking about how cool the hurd is and almuhs actually trying to code and fix stuff! haha

<almuhs>undone the steps from this https://askubuntu.com/questions/745135/how-to-enable-indirect-glx-contexts-iglx-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts-with-nvidia-gfx

<gnucode>I suppose you could use the older repo for gaming...

<gnucode>jmp.chat

<gnucode>almuhs: do you use jabber?

<gnucode>tello

<gnucode>almuhs: do you have a patreon? Do you accept $ ?

<gnucode>can I support your work?

<gnucode>how to download the irc logs

<gnucode> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~jlledom/en/01-prototype.html

<p4r4D0xum>etno: on real hardware?

<gnucode>icewm

<etno>p4r4D0xum: I use both a laptop and qemu

<gnucode>etno: which laptop again?

<etno>It is a Dell Inspiron 1750.

<gnucode>ok.

<gnucode>l4 vs. mach that was some serious microkernel wars bro!

<gnucode>almuhs: what are you working on?

<gnucode> https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/hurd/translator/lwip/

<gnucode>p4r4D0xum: I reccomend the T60 to run the hurd on.

<gnucode>you can use the T400.

<gnucode>p4r4D0xum: recommended hardware. https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/faq/drivers/

<gnucode>Feel free to ask me questions before you buy anything.

<gnucode>I recently bought a torris omni router.

<gnucode> https://www.turris.com/en/

<gnucode>almuhs: you found an old debian repo where X worked right?

<gnucode>can you link to that repo?

<gnucode>you were trying to fix the GLX errors when trying to play battle for wesnoth.

<almuhs>the 2022 image, the cd repo, and the latest

<almuhs>but i can't found the repository in which opengl works

<gnucode>gotcha.

<gnucode>brb

<almuhs>the error which now found in wesnoth, previously appeared in other games https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2021-08/pngN53lg81dMu.png

<almuhs>maybe we need to compile the games with some specific flags

<gnucode>almuhs: were you trying to say something?

<jab> https://web.archive.org/web/20220123230304/http://www.frozen-bubble.org/downloads/ we think that older version of frozen bubble might work on the Hurd.

<jab>It used to work.

<almuhs>yeah, i will try to compile

<gnucode>ok.

<p4r4D0xum>that was fun. :)

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