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<Guest25>why do you need a settrans utility?

<Guest25>why cannot translators just install themself?

<Guest25>settrans makes sense for installing passive translators

<Guest25>but what about active translators

<Guest25>?

<Guest25>also how do I know a file is a translator?

<luckyluke>Guest25: there is showtrans

<Guest25>how does that work?

<Guest25>root@hurd:~/hurd/caccadisk# settrans -a ./cacca ./rumpusbdisk

<Guest25>Kernel is already driving a SATA device, skipping probing rump USB disks

<Guest25>root@hurd:~/hurd/caccadisk# showtrans cacca

<Guest25>root@hurd:~/hurd/caccadisk# file cacca

<Guest25>cacca: character special (0/0)

<Guest25>not clear to me

<Guest25>root@hurd:~/hurd/caccadisk# ./rumpusbdisk

<Guest25>./rumpusbdisk: must be started as a translator

<Guest25>why?

<Guest25>I would have expected to tell me what it is doing with a nice verbose output and install itself

<luckyluke>showtrans just checks the passive record on disk

<Guest25>I think its a bug --> Kernel is already driving a SATA device, skipping probing rump USB disks

<luckyluke>no, you can't use user and kernel space drivers for the same device

<Guest25>USB vs SATA

<luckyluke>I think currently the only translator able to auto-start itself is /hurd/storeio (check the -d option)

<luckyluke>ah, maybe there is some shared resource that is acquired too coarsely

<Guest25>yes

<Guest25>I think so

<Guest25>from the source

<luckyluke>e.g. pci resources

<Guest25>no i think its a bug

<Guest25> if (! device_open (device_master, D_READ, "sd0", &device)

<Guest25> || ! device_open (device_master, D_READ, "sd1", &device)

<Guest25> || ! device_open (device_master, D_READ, "sd2", &device)

<Guest25> || ! device_open (device_master, D_READ, "sd3", &device))

<Guest25> {

<Guest25> device_close (device);

<Guest25> mach_port_deallocate (mach_task_self (), device);

<Guest25> fprintf(stderr, "Kernel is already driving a SATA device, skipping probing " RUMP_TYPE_STRING " disks\n");

<Guest25> fflush(stderr);

<Guest25> disabled = 1;

<Guest25> return;

<Guest25> }

<Guest25>this shoudn't be riun if RUMP_TYPE_STRING == USB, or at least there is a problem with naming

<Guest25>sd* is already taken by the gnumach sata, while netbsd usb uses sd* too

<luckyluke>or it should replace SATA -> USB

<Guest25>gnumach is not driving usb

<Guest25>ok, maybe replace SATA -> USB after fixing the name collison?

<luckyluke>do you have /dev/sdX nodes?

<Guest25>yep

<luckyluke>ah yes also that, sdX is for both...

<Guest25>yes, so you cannot run sata with gnumahc and rumpusb

<Guest25>because of that

<luckyluke>you could just adapt the tranlator argument

<luckyluke>e.g. $ showtrans /dev/wd0

<luckyluke>/hurd/storeio @/dev/disk:wd0

<luckyluke>could be $ showtrans /dev/usb0

<luckyluke>/hurd/storeio @/dev/disk:sd0

<luckyluke>I don't know if it works, but could be sometihng along these lines

<Guest25>@/dev/disk should be @/dev/usbdisk

<Guest25>since it is a different translator

<Guest25>then yes it might work, after removing the check

<Guest25>ok, I crashed everything

<Guest25>kernel trap

<Guest25>probably another bug

<Guest25>settrans -ap doesn't create the node if it doesn't exist

<Guest25>it's over jim, it doesnt' boot anymore

<Guest25>stuck at DHCPREQUEST

<Guest25>maybe due to fs corruption

<Guest25>how do i force a single user boot?

<Guest25>to fsck the whole thing?

<Guest25>did it using the installer cdrom

<Guest25>root@hurd:/dev# showtrans rumpusbdisk

<Guest25>I find a nice way to panic gnumavh

<Guest25>I think this works after removing the check in rumpusbdisk : settrans -ap usb0 /hurd/storeio @/dev/rumpusbdisk:sd0

<Guest25>to crash gnumach, just do settrans -ap NOT_EXISTING_FILE /hurd/rumpusbdisk

<Guest25>it totally goes nuts

<Guest25>cool, usb in the hurd work

<Guest25>of course just mass storage, you'd have to make hurd specific drivers for literally most of the other stuff

<Guest25>and an Hurd USB core api for those hurd specific drivers to run on top of rump host controller drivers

<Guest25>but umass works nicely :)

<Guest25>so funny, crashes GNUMACH, kills your FS,100%hit, try yourself -> settrans -ap NOT_EXISTING_FILE /hurd/rumpusbdisk

<Guest25>damo22 I think I found a couple of bugs in your new rumpusbdisk translator

<Guest25>one is easy to fix

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