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<janneke> https://todon.nl/@janneke/110451493405777898

<damo22>soon could be 64 bit right?

<janneke>the x60 won't, but yeah, soon i could be moving to newer hardware it seems

<damo22>i had it almost booting on x230

<janneke>almost?

<damo22>but netdde does not support its network card

<janneke>ah right

<janneke>wait, not even the wired network?

<damo22>we need to move to rumpnet

<damo22>correct

<janneke>ouch, yes, rumpnet sounds cool

<damo22>its already compiled as a lib

<damo22>possibly the phy driver is already separate from the tcp stack

<janneke>oh!

<damo22>i think nobody has tried to use it yet

<janneke>hmm, then we would need to find someone who might have a use for it... ;)

<damo22>rump needs work upstream to separate all the drivers into libs

<damo22>but no one seems to care about netbsd rump anymore, even its author has disappeared from the community

<janneke>ouch

<damo22>i dont understand netbsd makefile foo enough to do it myself

<damo22>rump has the potential to allow all netbsd supported hardware to be compiled as libraries that hurd can use. But not in its current state

<damo22>the rump author chose a handful of device drivers only and wrote examples for those

<janneke>so, we need a (bsd) makefile hacker

<janneke>?

<damo22>i think so yes

<damo22>if rump was more actively maintained upstream and integrated as a first class kernel target, 1) it would help netbsd a lot with testing the kernel and 2) it would allow us to use drivers in userspace

<janneke>yeah, sounds like an interesting project

<damo22>then theres the smp locking issues, and acpi pci irq problem

<damo22>i think i got "irqnull(9)" on real hardware when i tried to use acpi

<janneke>hmm, so the hurd is not a qemu platform

<janneke>guess i should have known that, things would have been easier if it was

<youpi1>"not a qemu platform", what do you mean?

<Talca>damo22: Hi, I think that netbsd people are also interested in bringing their drivers in userspace

<Talca>At least as an option

<Talca>As far as I know, netbsd is the only open source platform where you can mount a fs as an unprivileged user using the kernel module in a process

<Talca>This has obvious security advantages

<Talca>I don’t think they don’t care about rump, they are very proud of it. They just don’t have anyone currently working on it

<Talca>It’s the same in every open source project, you need volunteers

<VedantT>Hello! I am new to the hurd config and I am trying to understand how to utilize the bootloader to start up the microkernel, are there any specific HTML Pages I can refer to for instructions?

<VedantT>facing issues with accessing security.debian.org is it important for configuring packages for hurd installation?

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