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<untrusem>like guix providing an option to automatically import the missing modulde when we build the packages rathe thatn "forgot to add this module <module>" that guix shows

<untrusem>my previous thread didn't gain much traction :p

<cnx>the wiki one? something something trigger-heppy merging maketh heppy peepol?

<cnx> https://hintjens.com/blog:106 (i'm trying to allocate time for his social arch book)

<untrusem>better systems for issue and discussion as well

<ennoausberlin>I get slow downloads from ci.guix.gnu.org as well as from bordeaux. Is there an alternative?

<ennoausberlin>Never mind. magically went better.

<cnx>ACTION has no idea how fast the listed mirrors are

<ennoausberlin>cnx: Thank you! I was not aware on this chapter in the manual

<cnx>it's fairly recent

<cnx>btw ci.guix.moe provide substitutes for the official guix channel as well and it's pretty reliable

<ennoausberlin>Nice to know. tex-live can be a challenge on slow servers

<cnx>ACTION thinks the -M flags can makes the small downloads go in parallel

<cnx>untrusem, since you're here (and i'm too lazy to draft a full message), let's chat here

<cnx>i think fundamentally issues/q&a are viewed by people differently, some as a backlog that must not grow, and some as a knowledge base about the project

<cnx>for the first type we need to make sure the relevant people are aware of each issue

<cnx>since we organized into teams, the issue template should advice filers to tag the relevant team(s), which must be documented somewhere

<cnx>imho there should be a short guide to file an issue with the team list linked from https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/issues/new/choose

<cnx>(comment on issue template are plain text and also doesn't work for anything longer than a few lines)

<cnx>that way we can also timely triage the stuff for later navigation

<untrusem>hmm

<cnx>so far i think the codeberg/help-guix division is working well on the issues/q&a split tho

<cnx>as for wiki, i'm not sure how to experiment without the project's endorsement

<cnx>it's not like we have a large userbase to call from

<cnx>i don't think the cookbook being in texinfo the barrier, as we technically allow other formats

<cnx>for writing, that is

<untrusem>I send that mail to start the discussion, not actually state what I am saying is better

<untrusem>we actually need inputs from people who *tried* to contribute but failed

<cnx>on the other hand, doc/*.texi being giant, uh, books makes it impossible for (non-emacs users?) to navigate

<untrusem>very true

<untrusem>"a manual is not a wiki" that was my point

<cnx>can we lobby the guix foundation for another poll w.r.t. contribution feedback

<untrusem>if we could style our manual on web as a wiki, or make it better to navigate, that might help too

<cnx>the cookbook can be a wiki, that's basically how the fossil/sqlite folks do it

<untrusem>I am in favor of that

<cnx>thay just have to be structured into files i guess

<cnx>i recall asking some guix veteran about it and can't remember if the answer was nobody tried or there were some technical obstacle

<nmeum>do Guix teams usually have dedicated communication channels and if so, what do they use for this purpose? currently considering setting up an IRC channel or something for team-haskell. there is also the Guix zulip but not sure if that's being used a lot anymore?

<PotentialUser-11>today i reconfigure my system, gdm got blocked and i cant enter o change to another tty. some idea on how to fix it?

<User-55>i have a question that feels silly. `dig` is in the utils output of the bind package according to `guix show bind`. but `guix shell bind` does not give me dig. what is the right command/package name?

<PotentialUser-11>shepherd[1]: Service xorg-server running with value #<<process> id: 1070 command: ("/gnu/store/q1j0y835rk8bllc7dc2hcmc8f32khr3a-gdm-49.2/bin/gdm")>.

<PotentialUser-11>gdm: Gdm: GdmDisplay: Preparing display: /org/gnome/DisplayManager/Displays/643356528

<PotentialUser-11>gdm: Gdm: GdmLocalDisplayFactory: wayland login display for seat seat0 requested

<PotentialUser-11>gdm: Gdm: GdmLocalDisplayFactory: New displays on seat0 will use wayland

<PotentialUser-11>gdm-session-worker: Gdm: GdmSessionWorker: opening session for program '/gnu/store/q1j0y835rk8bllc7dc2hcmc8f32khr3a-gdm-49.2/libexec/gdm-wayland-session'

<PotentialUser-11>gdm-wayland-session: Gdm: Running wayland session

<User-55>ah, colon to the rescue. `guix shell bind:utils` gives `dig` on the path and in

<cnx>User-55, try guix shell bind:utils

<cnx>heh

<User-55>thanks cnx!

<cnx>i don't feel i deserve it d-;

<User-55>i'm counting it :-)

<User-55>to be fair, using colon was a guess, not something if found in the documentation

<cnx>nmeum, the only collaborative team (as in, with proper plan and goals, and more than one active members at a time) were python and codeberg was sufficient

<cnx>User-55, try 'info '(guix)G-Expressions'

<User-55>maybe the tab completion could also show the ':' parts when tabbing after `guix shell bind`

<User-55>as for info, after 25 years on unix i still cannot navigate it

<User-55>`guix search` is nice though

<cnx>me neither, the middle ground tween emacs and vi bindings is confusing

<cnx> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/G_002dExpressions.html

<untrusem>bac+

<untrusem>back

<untrusem>nmeum: zulip is currently the way

<untrusem>its not out for regular guix users

<untrusem>but yeah I can understand, there not seem to much activity

<untrusem>_its in my long email too_

<untrusem>the web interface/style for info manual is not that helpful and also not discoverable

<untrusem>maybe I should poke aartaka

<untrusem> https://r7rs.aartaka.me

<civodul>untrusem: re style and presentation of the manual, consider taking a look at https://codeberg.org/guix/lernigilo

<civodul>the goal is to address this particular painpoint

<untrusem>civodul: btw did you got my mails, I have been having problems sending mail for past few days

<untrusem>ACTION will take a look at this

<civodul>i did get messages from you, but i only check a few times a day

<civodul>you can check the mailing archive online though

<untrusem>"messages" ? I only send a single encrypted mail to you

<untrusem>is my gnus tripping :?

<civodul>untrusem: oh yes, i did see that message too! it wasn’t automatically decrypted for some reason

<civodul>will answer soon

<PotentialUser-11>can someone explain what is the problem with gdm?? o how can i fix it?? i also tried to remove it and then network manager stop to write the resolv.conf file.

<PotentialUser-11>i also tried disabling wayland like this and still keeps being blocked: (gdm-service-type config =>

<PotentialUser-11> (gdm-configuration

<PotentialUser-11> (inherit config)

<PotentialUser-11> (wayland? #f)))

<untrusem>PotentialUser-11: are you on latest guix?

<csantosb>Related guix/guix!10931 / guix/guix!488 ?

<cnx>nmeum, i meant to say team i was in d-; i should eep moar

<PotentialUser-11>yes i'm in the latest version. i'm going to try adding (service gnome-desktop-service-type)

<untrusem>PotentialUser-11: do you want gnome?

<PotentialUser-11>no, i just using sway.

<PotentialUser-11>i read it in this issue: https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/issues/10931

<untrusem>damn, need to install who DE for gdm?

<PotentialUser-11>yeah i don't like it. i tried removing gdm but then network-manager stop writing the resolv.conf file

<untrusem>ohh i don't have this problem, I thought it was fixed

<untrusem>ACTION have gdm removed

<PotentialUser-19>hi again. i ran into the same issue from two days ago: my user's home symlinks will not save after accidentally deleting some of the legacy backup folders in `$HOME`. should i just revert the system generations instead of switching/rolling back home generations?

<riabenko>PotentialUser-11: Did you remove GDM, or did you replace it with something else? How do you start a user session?

<PotentialUser-11>i remove it like this (delete gdm-service-type) and started from tty

<PotentialUser-19>or rather, should i use `guix home import` again? will that save the symlinks even after shutdown?

<PotentialUser-19>also, what is the difference between `guix-config/home-config.scm` and `$HOME/guix-home-config.scm`? are they the same thing or different?

<n|Phreak>$HOME is just a variable to /home/<usr>

<n|Phreak>so if you do a echo $HOME you should see /home/<your_user>

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak `$echo $HOME` works but not the services. all user created files are there, but using `herd status` gives me an error.

<n|Phreak>hmm ok , how did you setup guix and are you using guix foreign distro "other than guix system" ?

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak im using the Guix SD. i set up the user's config with `guix home import ~/src/guix-config` i believe. i cant remember the command that generated the home config but i assume it was something similar to that.

<n|Phreak>ok so you created a guix home config which pulled in your current profiles information and its stored in ~/src/guix-config ?

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak i believe so. i think i used a sample home config from the guix manual.

<PotentialUser-19>that one starts with `(define-module (guix-home-config)`

<n|Phreak>I think its guix home describe

<n|Phreak>does anything appear when you run guix home describe ?

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak yes. it shows the current home generation with the channels i have.

<PotentialUser-19>and the `guix-home-config` file i have ends with `home-config` but the file generated with `guix home import` doesnt

<n|Phreak>try guix home reconfigure <path_to_home_config>

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak with the new file or my old one?

<n|Phreak>ohh so you have two home configs ?

<PotentialUser-19>yea

<n|Phreak>Sorry if you have to repeat yourself , working at the sametime and playing musical laptops

<PotentialUser-19>thats alright. im just frustrated at myself

<n|Phreak>don't be .. its good learning

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak im reconfiguring home right now with the new file. ill need to shutdown the machine and come back here if there are any issues.

<n|Phreak>ACTION PotentialUser-19 sounds good

<lechner>Is this still the X vs Wayland conflict?

<n|Phreak>Has anyone setup a subsitution instance on a foreign distro to allow local guix machines to update via cache ?

<n|Phreak>x vs wayland ? depends what you want to use it for ?

<n|Phreak>I use wayland and niri

<n|Phreak>x will give you a slight speed advatage for gaming though (latency wise)

<lechner>I just meant the conversation with PotentialUser-11

<n|Phreak>ahh ok , I thought they just needed help with guix home config

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak hi again. reconfiguring with the new file via `guix home import` did not work. for instance, i have `gfvs` installed, but i dont see the `trash://` folder.

<n|Phreak>hmm what is your setup , OS - Window Manger - filesystem etc

<PotentialUser-11>lechner i dont really know what the error you say. im only using sway so maybe it is

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak the OS is Guix SD.

<PotentialUser-19>with the shepherd init system.

<lechner>PotentialUser-11: Can you restate your issue, please?

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak the filesystem i believe is ext4, window manager is openbox

<lechner>Or maybe I got confused with PotentialUser-19

<n|Phreak>you using libre kernel or linux kernel ?

<PotentialUser-19>n|Phreak linux kernel.

<PotentialUser-11>arter i reconfigure the machine gdm crashes and block my machine. these are the logs: 2026-10-07 17:12:46 localhost gdm: Gdm: on_display_removed: assertion 'GDM_IS_REMOTE_DISPLAY (display)' failed

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:12:46 localhost gdm: Gdm: Child process -1211 was already dead.

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:12:46 localhost gdm-wayland-session: GLib: Source ID 2 was not found when attempting to remove it

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:12:36 localhost gdm: Gdm: on_display_added: assertion 'GDM_IS_REMOTE_DISPLAY (display)' failed

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:11:28 localhost pulseaudio[1615]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to load authentication key '/var/lib/gdm/.pulse-cookie': No such file or directory

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:11:28 localhost pulseaudio[1615]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to open cookie file '/var/lib/gdm/.pulse-cookie': No such file or directory

<PotentialUser-11>2026-10-07 17:11:28 localhost pulseaudio[1615]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed to load authentication key '/var/lib/gdm/.config/pulse/cookie': No such file or directory

<n|Phreak>ok audio issues , do you have wireplumber installed or just pulse

<lechner>PotentialUser-11: Does the folder /var/lib/gdm exist?

<PotentialUser-11>yes

<lechner>gdm aborted because the GDM_IS_REMOTE_DISPLAY assertion failed

<lechner>or, more accurately, a child process of Gdm

<PotentialUser-11>these are the gdm full log: cat /var/log/gdm/greeter.log

<PotentialUser-11>gnome-session-binary[1234]: WARNING: Could not check if unit gnome-session-wayland@gnome-login.target is active: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service files

<PotentialUser-11>_IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.ICE-unix will not be created.

<PotentialUser-11>gnome-session-binary[1234]: WARNING: Desktop file /gnu/store/m6w9nlg4vl30d0rmm4375bszb87hqcgr-gdm-46.2/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop for application orca-autostart.desktop could not be parsed or references a missing TryExec binary

<PotentialUser-11>libmutter-Message: 17:11:25.656: Running GNOME Shell (using mutter 46.9) as a Wayland display server

<PotentialUser-11>(gnome-shell:1259): libmutter-WARNING **: 17:11:25.825: Failed to make thread 'KMS thread' high priority scheduled: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Name "org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1" does not exist

<PotentialUser-11>(gnome-shell:1259): libmutter-WARNING **: 17:11:25.826: Failed to make thread 'KMS thread' high priority scheduled: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Name "org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1" does not exist

<bavier> PotentialUser-11 please use a pastebin or something for sharing lots of text

<PotentialUser-11>ok im sorry

<bavier>no probs, just the polite thing

<bavier>hope I didn't scare them away

<gkoebel-ext>probably just rebooting

<bavier>ah yes :)

<lechner>sneek / later ask PotentialUser-11 / Do you have auto-login configured?

<sneek>Will do.

<untrusem>hi guix o/

<tusharhero-xmpp>hi untrusem

<gkoebel-ext>it occurs to me my goal of minimal interaction replacement of a system has a name "unattended install"

<gkoebel-ext>which I believe the way to accomplish would be by developing my own install.scm file that somehow automatically creates a partition map on available drives and auto-selects options presented by the installer.

<bremner>gkoebel-ext: you might be interested in "guix system install"

<gkoebel-ext>bremner: that doesn't appear to be a command on 1.5?

<bremner>err. lemme double check that

<lechner>system reconfigure?

<gkoebel-ext>reconfigure requires you already have an OS installed

<bremner>guix deploy, I think I meant

<gkoebel-ext>deploy also requires you already have GUIX afaik

<lechner>at least a daemon

<bremner>sure, but could be a live system or something

<lechner>system VM?

<lechner>lower case

<bremner>I have run aarch64 guix deploy from a debian running guix package manager

<gkoebel-ext>vm works but that's more for testing on a system that already exists

<bremner>(onto a different disks)

<bremner>I don't know if there is a guix live ISO

<gkoebel-ext>My use case for this is if I send a machine into the sun how few manual steps can I get replacing that system down too.

<gkoebel-ext>So I'm assuming that the target machine is entirely blank

<bremner>I haven't done this with guix, but a minimal install with ssh-daemon and network deploy sounds plausible

<gkoebel-ext>there is a way to make a live guix install. I'm not sure there's a way to get one guix to deploy another guix to a blank machine

<lechner>People use VM for stateless machines nowadays

<gkoebel-ext>there's an easy version of this problem which is recovering to a device that previously had guix since the devices will be known and thus a install image can be generated (tho i'm not clear on if the install image still makes you go through the graphical installer)

<gkoebel-ext>then the hard version which is, it's been 6 years and you can't get identical hardware and everything is different

<lechner>People care more about their data, I think.

<gkoebel-ext>well that's part of what I'm doing as well but data recovery is trivial compared to standing up the system

<gkoebel-ext>nominally a live usb that has a way for me to punch in creds to grab some multi-machine deployment for guix and install that onto the blank system would work. Then part of that install would be restoring data/state

<gkoebel-ext>afaik this would essentially be cloudinit but guix

<gkoebel-ext>(I have never used cloud init so I may be way off)

<lechner>I just installed a new bare metal in five minutes by adapting the configuration in the manual.

<gkoebel-ext>the install.scm config?

<lechner>Maybe I adapted one of my existing config.scm's.

<gkoebel-ext>so you still needed to manually specify how to partition drive tho correct?

<lechner>But they are all minimal. I just have some special features and don't run stock Guix

<gkoebel-ext>afaik you can't drop in a config.scm from a running system and have it install

<gkoebel-ext>since the installer does several hundred lines of extra things not counting the install program itself.

<lechner>Sure you can! The ISO image runs entirely in memory. Also, I don't use the installer. Just "guix system init" (which may have been what bremner meant).

<bremner>ah, maybe so

<jlicht>hey guix

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