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<ryanprior>n|Phreak: closing the loop - reboot got me back on track

<ryanprior>n|Phreak: I'm on vanilla OS, I have Guix running inside a vso container

<n|Phreak> hmm vanilla OS , oh Debian SID

<n|Phreak>I used to run Deb Sid forever

<ryanprior>I have no sense of what different debian versions mean :X

<ryanprior>I have used debian-based distros for decades though, it's worked well for me

<n|Phreak>oh , sure .. Debian Sid is bleeding edge

<n|Phreak>Debian testing / dev .. just difference branches .. SID has all newest stuff but can be unstable

<ryanprior>vanilla does atomic updates with rollback, so on the rare occasion that the instability bites me it has been minimally disruptive.

<n|Phreak>Yep seem's immutable is taking off

<ryanprior>now that Debian is inviting "responsible LLM use" I've got an eye on the exit though. don't know where I'll go because Debian has been so good for so long that I'm feeling spoiled

<n|Phreak>guix is nice I like it .. I changed over all my Arch systems to guix . guix shell is awesome and guix --container

<ryanprior>wrt/ immutable taking off, one of my colleagues told me recently she decided to take the leap and move from Windows to Linux, and she said that she did some research on immutable vs mutable distros, concluded immutable was obviously better, and wanted my explanation of why anybody would choose mutable in case there were pros not obvious to her as a newbie

<n|Phreak>Just tell her .. its a read-only system .. meaning very hard to break

<ryanprior>right that's what she said was, as a newbie I don't want to try the wrong thing and break the system, so immutable seems like the beginner friendlier option

<bjc>not just beginner, tbh

<guest73273173821>hey i cant seem to build the derivation for webkitgtk and dont see any relevant issues on codeberg, is anyone having the same problem?

<bjc>systems design is finally catching up to the idea that your os is pretty small compared to your disk

<ryanprior>bjc: I agree, it's just funny/remarkable to me after immutable tech was seen as a de-facto esoteric niche for so many years, it's really blossomed into its own and taken center stage in this way

<n|Phreak>I really like GarudaLinux , it has automatic snapshots using BTRFS

<n|Phreak>based on arch , great community, very active

<bjc>ryanprior: change is difficult, so it takes a while after conditions are good before most people will make the leap

<ryanprior>I read some documentation on like "how to care for and maintain btrfs" and it made me appreciate ext4 all the more. never had to spend a minute maintaining my filesystem in decades.

<ryanprior>bjc true, on many levels even

<n|Phreak>I have never had issues with BTRFS

<n|Phreak>and I beat my systems up lol

<bjc>i've had silent bit rot and other issues over the years. i keep everything important on zfs now

<bjc>fs maintenance is just doing a scrub every so often. you don't do that on ext4 because it's not possible. if it were, then you should

<bjc>i mean, it's up to you how tolerant you are of data loss, silent or otherwise. i have basically none

<n|Phreak>yeah my NAS is BTRFS too

<bjc>i scrub btrfs regularly, too

<bjc>silly not to

<n|Phreak>lol yeah

<n|Phreak>I played with ZFS when I running FreeBSD

<bjc>i've been using it for like 10ish years

<bjc>maybe longer? whenever zfs for osx came out

<n|Phreak>at that time FreeBSD just didn't have the tools I needed , now I heard they are really good

<n|Phreak>shit zfs for linux or period ?

<bjc>hah 2009. time flies

<guest73273173821>okay actually i suspect it may have nothing to do with webkitgtk itself, just that the computer gets laggy and the build process is somehow killed? idk what to do about that

<n|Phreak>??? your building webkitgtk via source ?

<guest73273173821>idk man, im just running guix system reconfigure and i think its building it from source yeah, possibly substitute servers dont have it yet?

<bjc>something relatively important changed, yeah

<bjc>i had to build webkit too

<guest73273173821>no idea exactly i just installed the system like an hour ago

<n|Phreak>yeah it can take a while

<guest73273173821>i wouldnt mind that but it just dies after a while

<bjc>hrm. may be too big a beast for you to compile?

<n|Phreak>I mean have you ever compiled anything before ?

<guest73273173821>yeah i guess, im a rust programmer

<bjc>may be better off waiting a day or so (watch `guix weather webkitgtk`)

<n|Phreak>ok yeah rust has a slow compile too

<n|Phreak>or just leave it running , how did you install it ?

<guest73273173821>i left it running and the build died, then i tried again - same story

<n|Phreak>guix install webgitgtk or make or something else ?

<bjc>webkitgtk is a dep for a lot of stuff, this is just something getting pulled in from something in their system config

<n|Phreak>yeah its enormous

<ryanprior>guest73273173821: building webkitgtk from source is a bear. if you don't have a monstrous build server it's going to take a whole day or maybe multiple, and strain your system resources to their limit the entire time.

<n|Phreak>but how are they installing though ?

<n|Phreak>yep I have built it from source before its fun lol

<guest73273173821>sure, again, the problem is this:

<guest73273173821>```

<guest73273173821>c++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus

<guest73273173821>```

<guest73273173821>which i find at the end of the build log

<bjc>it's not that bad. i compile it on my ryzen 3950x in less than an hour

<n|Phreak>ahh wait you need gcc-toolchain

<n|Phreak>how are you building it ? using guix shell ?

<ryanprior>I mean obviously the webkitgtk devs do every day, but they use fancy incremental compilation systems, and typically have monstrous build machines to boot

<bjc>no, gcc-toolchain is being used. cc1plus was killed by signal

<guest73273173821>im running `guix system reconfigure` on my /etc/config.scm, that's it

<bjc>without knowing what signal, it's hard to say why, but being out of ram would be one thing

<ryanprior>guest73273173821: that error message likely means the build was killed because you were out of memory

<bjc>or out of disk for that matter

<bjc>guix takes up a lot of space

<n|Phreak>well it can

<ryanprior>true it could be disk, `df -h` to check your disks

<guest73273173821>disk should be fine ive got 800gb, ram is possible i have 16gb + 10gb swap

<n|Phreak>do a gc

<bjc>do you notice your system chugging a lot when compiling webkit?

<n|Phreak>do a ls $(which gcc)

<bjc>because that definitely indicates heavy ram pressure

<ryanprior>bjc: is that a shitpost

<guest73273173821>bjc yeah sure

<bjc>ryanprior: no? i don't have chugging

<bjc>i have 64gb, though

<bjc>if you're running out of ram, you'll start to swap a lot, which you will definitely notice when it gets bad

<guest73273173821>oh yeah i notice, the whole pc freezes

<ryanprior>bjc: I have seen webkit builds use up 128gb of RAM, not on guix though because I haven't used guix on a machine that beefy

<bjc>well, i don't have any issues, so not sure what to tell you

<bjc>not sure what the worst thing is that i have to build sometimes. probably librewolf, but maybe llvm

<ryanprior>oh yeah llvm is notorious too

<guest73273173821>nah its okay, thanks for the advice - ill wait for the substitute to be available

<bjc>but they all fit in 64gb without a problem

<n|Phreak>yeah llvm sucks , its a pig

<n|Phreak>what compiler are you using ?

<bjc>this is in guix, so whatever its set to use. probably both gcc and llvm to make its way through the bootstrap process

<n|Phreak>ok so this is a package then

<n|Phreak>your not building using make

<bjc>i think it uses cmake?

<n|Phreak>which package https://packages.guix.gnu.org/search/?query=webkitgtk

<guest73273173821>...the first one?

<guest73273173821>yeah its using cmake, its in the build log

<n|Phreak>ok I'm going to install it also

<n|Phreak>while I upgrade emacs on one of my profiles

<n|Phreak>what percentage are you at ?

<guest73273173821>i gave up, but it died twice at 44%

<n|Phreak>lol I think emacs make take longer

<n|Phreak>I have a rust project that I work on also and I shove everything in a guix shell and a different profile

<guest73273173821>yeah having guix shells for everything is nice

<n|Phreak>yes it is

<guest73273173821>im surprised i havent found something like "direnv-home-service-type", that would be quite handy

<n|Phreak>I think there is a direnv though

<n|Phreak> https://guix.gnu.org/cookbook/en/html_node/Guix-environment-via-direnv.html

<n|Phreak>never used it yet though

<n|Phreak>I dunno I use create aliases to my profiles

<guest73273173821>yeah that's not what im talking about

<n|Phreak>alias web-dev='guix shell --pure -p ~/.guix-extra-profiles/web-dev -- emacs&'

<n|Phreak>oh ok

<bjc>what would direnv-home-service-type look like?

<guest73273173821>yeah sure that also works :D i prefer it to autoload and unload as i move around

<bjc>i use direnv a lot and never considered making a service for it

<guest73273173821>idk, i guess it would embed the hook into your shell, but then the service type would need to know which shell youre using

<guest73273173821>so probably a dumb idea

<n|Phreak>I guess whatever works for you

<guest73273173821>you could do it as an option for `home-bash-service-type` i guess

<bjc>no, you could use the home-environment-variables-service-type, or whatever it's called

<bjc>so it'd work for everything that guix supports

<bjc>yeah, that's worth doing, i think. should be pretty straight forward, too, if you want a project

<n|Phreak>I dunno I just setup a new profile and build what I need I guess

<guest73273173821>bjc :D maybe ill do it, i gotta make the system usable first though

<bjc>yeah. put a pin in it =)

<n|Phreak>interesting never used direnv

<n|Phreak>seems like its python env ?

<guest73273173821>well essentially what it does is that it loads an environment whenever you cd to a directory containing an `.envrc` file

<guest73273173821>the envrc can contain for example `use guix -m manifest.scm` and that tells direnv to load `guix shell -m manifest.scm` whenever you enter that directory

<guest73273173821>also it does some caching and stuff, i dont know all the details

<n|Phreak>yeah I'm looking at it now

<bjc>it also integrates well with emacs-envrc

<n|Phreak>yeah never used that either

<bjc>if you spend a lot of time in emacs on different projects, it's tremendous

<ryanprior>emacs-envrc is specifically for direnv, if you didn't use direnv you'd haver no reason to know about it

<guest73273173821>yeah its great

<n|Phreak>I wonder how much faster it is then my current setup for profiles

<bjc>it's instant once the initial profile is built

<bjc>shells are just temporary profiles

<ryanprior>direnv is super, though. I just want something like that which also sets up an automatic sandbox for any command I run

<bjc>it can take a while if you just did a `guix pull`, since you may need to go fetch/build a bunch of stuff, but after that no wait

<bjc>you could do that in nix-shell, i think. guix shell needs some of those features

<bjc>setting environment variables would be nice

<n|Phreak>just use a shell script to do it

<bjc>that doesn't integrate with direnv

<AKArien>heya, i installed guix system, and while the wifi worked fine in the installer, it doesn't seem to on the installed system ? both gnome and nm-applet uis don't mention wifi, and that even after adding `(firmware %base-firmware)` to my operating-system section. would anyone have an idea ? the controller is seen as `01:00.0 Network controller:

<AKArien>Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter` in lspci, i've not seen anything that seems to match in guix search.

<n|Phreak>yeah you have to actually install the networking tools and wifi drivers that you need

<ryanprior>the guix installer doesn't do that for you? XX

<bjc>you *can* set environment variables. hah

<bjc>(setenv) works just fine

<n|Phreak>or it could be you need to do a rfkill

<bjc>i was too nix-brained this whole time

<n|Phreak>info or man rfkill

<n|Phreak>if you have the drivers then they might just need to be enabled

<ryanprior>bjc: you mean setenv in a package build?

<bjc>ryanprior: no, in manifest.scm

<bjc>if you want your shells to have custom environment variables

<ryanprior>ohhh no shit

<n|Phreak>yeah append the vars to your manifest file

<bjc>ryanprior: that's how i felt

<bjc>literally years i've wanted that feature and i never even bothered to try

<ryanprior>I mean anywhere I use guix for dev I also use direnv, so I always put the env variables in direnv, but if you wanted to build a more minimal guix-centric direnv type situation you could sure do that

<AKArien>hm, thanks, rfkill as is doesn't do it, i'm a bit of a noob, where should i look to find the appriopriate drivers ?

<bjc>i know just enough direnv to know `use (guix|nix);` and `direnv allow` ;)

<ryanprior>level up, the stdlib is well documented and approachable https://direnv.net/man/direnv-stdlib.1.html

<bjc>i prefer it this way because it means instructions are the same for direnv and guix shell, tbh

<n|Phreak>lol maybe I've been doing it wrong

<bjc>i will read this manual, though

<n|Phreak>ACTION AKArien hmm see you typed rfkill lists first or just rfkill your dev ?

<AKArien>i've blocked/unblocked the device, but if you need to specifically install wifi things, i have not yet, my system configuration is still as the installer left it

<n|Phreak>hmm do you have iwlist ?

<AKArien>yup

<n|Phreak>wpa_supplicant ?

<AKArien>yup !

<AKArien>hm, i recognise these names as wifi-related lol

<AKArien>or at least network

<n|Phreak>k sec

<AKArien>not very familiar with it all '=D

<AKArien>kay, thanks :)

<bjc>you can tell if the drivers are loaded with lspci

<bjc>find it's slot and `lspci -vs $slot`, see if there's a driver listed in `Kernel modules`

<n|Phreak>do you have nm-tui

<n|Phreak>try lspic |grep -i "wireless"

<bjc>for instance, my intel wifi card is on 06:00.0, so `lspci -vs 06:00` shows `iwlwifi` in the modules section

<AKArien>i do have nm-ui. is lspic a mistyping of lspci ?

<bjc>if it's realtek: `grep -i tek`, don't be more specific. you never know how these people name things

<n|Phreak>thats my bad sorry

<AKArien>`01:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter`

<n|Phreak>ok open nm-tui

<AKArien>nw nw

<bjc>lspci lists all your pci devices

<bjc>so, lspci -vs 01:00

<bjc>if you see i wifi driver in the modules, you're at least good for that

<AKArien>ah, yup, thanks

<n|Phreak> if you have nm-tui or nmcli you can connect that way also

<AKArien>i got a kernel module for it

<bjc>that won't work if drivers aren't loaded

<AKArien>rtw88_8821ce

<bjc>cool

<n|Phreak>I though they said they were loaded

<bjc>did they? sorry, i missed that

<AKArien>so it's actually just accessing it at my user... right, that's what that means, right ?

<n|Phreak>ya

<n|Phreak>nm-tui

<n|Phreak>should pop open a terminal shell with a gui window

<n|Phreak>do you see your ssid "wireless name"?

<AKArien>hm, can't find my wifi device, though ? ls /sys/class/net says enp0s20f0u1 lo, and i have currently my phone plugged by usb for internet access

<AKArien>i should be seeing a wl-something to give as the device in nmtui, no ?

<n|Phreak>maybe the interface isn't active ...

<n|Phreak>do a ifconfig

<n|Phreak>do you have a wlo1 interface ?

<AKArien>i don't, only enp0s20f0u1Link and lo

<n|Phreak>try this

<n|Phreak>rfkill unblock all

<n|Phreak>or sudo rfkill unblock all

<AKArien>doesn't seem to do change anything for the better :(

<n|Phreak>well you won't know until you see the interface

<n|Phreak>and do a ifconfig again

<AKArien>yeah no, no interface shows up after doing that

<n|Phreak>probably need the firwmware then

<n|Phreak>lspci |grep -i "wireless"

<n|Phreak>might need the nonguix channel .. I dunno yet

<AKArien>it's `01:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter`, and -vs shows loaded module rtw88_8821ce, as well as DeviceName: WLAN, Subsystem: AzureWave Device 3040

<AKArien>well i mean, it worked fine on the normal guix installer, so having to go on nonguix now would be weird

<ryanprior>yes, when you said it worked on the installer I was immediately like "oh something sounds messed up"

<AKArien>eh lol

<n|Phreak>yeah it doesn't sound like it loaded or something

<ryanprior>because either the installer doesn't set up a guix system with the same wifi capabilities as the installer, or you somehow configured it wrong, or else I dunno what

<n|Phreak>its a fun mystery

<AKArien>not so fun for me lol, this laptop doesn't even have ethernet

<ryanprior>I've never used the guix system installer outside of a VM, so I have no experience with that, but "I used the default installer with the default configuration, and the installer wifi worked, but the resulting system wifi doesn't work" just sounds like a broken installer to me

<AKArien>yeaah

<n|Phreak>could be network service ?

<n|Phreak>sudo herd status

<bjc>try running “herd status” as root

<bjc>haha

<bjc>great minds

<AKArien>the installer also dropped me with a guix 1.4 that attempted to get to the savanah servers, which resulted in most things not working until i pulled guix with a custom codeberg channel

<n|Phreak>look for wpa_supplicant or NetworkManager

<bjc>1.4? not 1.5?

<AKArien>yup

<AKArien>seemed weird

<n|Phreak>ohh

<n|Phreak>I would honestly install via 1.5

<ryanprior>AKArien: yeah download a newer installer imo. I assume there's a script for it.

<AKArien>hmn,both nm and wpa are already enabled...

<n|Phreak>??? lol

<ryanprior>the fact that wifi worker in the installer is so weird

<AKArien>that was an installer i downloaded the very day i installed, unfortunately

<n|Phreak>its happened to me before

<AKArien>from the guix website

<n|Phreak>because the installer doesn't install everything unless you tell it

<ryanprior>sounds too clever to me

<n|Phreak>yeah realtek requires external firmware

<AKArien>i'm pretty sure i told the installer to install network-manager and wpa supplicant... and hey they were already running so that seems to check out

<AKArien>hm

<AKArien>whack ??

<AKArien>why on earth did it work on the installer then :'')

<AKArien>i guess i"ll try nonguix

<n|Phreak>can you tether via bluetooth to your phone

<n|Phreak>we can still get this to work

<AKArien>currentlyl doing that by usb to talk to you ;)

<bjc>lol. honestly, it's probably just easier to use the nonguix installer

<n|Phreak>well , cmon

<AKArien>eeh i mean i already got the system installed

<bjc>i know, killjoy

<n|Phreak>should just be able to do a guix install realtek-firmware

<AKArien>should be just a matter of three files and reconfigure, that's what guix is all about, no :P

<ryanprior>maybe but that's besides the point. the installer wifi worked. AKArien have you done a guix pull and system reconfigure? that might fix something

<bjc>well if you can coerce networking out of it, sure

<n|Phreak>yeah why not

<AKArien>yup, i have earlier today

<n|Phreak>waiting for this webgit to build anyway

<n|Phreak>do this sudo guix system reconfigure

<AKArien>although, looking at the nonguix firmware package, it seems to only have rtl8723bt-firmware that mentions realtek

<AKArien>idk exaclty how thiq works, but doesn't sound that encouraging to me ?

<ryanprior>if it was me, I'd give up, I have a weak stomach for OS installs, if I install and it doesn't work I kick the OS to the curb and that's that. that's my honest advice is use Guix on a foreign distro that doesn't produce broken installs

<AKArien>eh, that's not bad advice unfortunately...

<n|Phreak>lol wow

<bjc>AKArien: if it worked in the installer, then the libre kernel will work, because the installer uses that

<AKArien>i really wanted to use guix tho :(

<n|Phreak>you can , we just need to load the firwmware for the wireless drivers thats all

<AKArien>yeaaah

<AKArien>it's werid

<bjc>i don't do wifi on my linux hosts, though, so i really can't speak to how that's set up after the drivers load

<n|Phreak>I have gotten wifi to work on most things I try

<AKArien>if you could get it working here ;)

<n|Phreak>can you get internet at all ? either tether or ethernet

<AKArien>yeah yeah

<AKArien>tehtered to my phone

<ryanprior>n|Phreak: AKArien has said multiple times they are tethered to their phone and have internet

<n|Phreak>on the OS install too ?

<AKArien>not proactical to use ethernet long term tho, because.. laptop has no ethernet lol

<AKArien>*practical

<n|Phreak>guix pull , guix install realtek-firmware than reboot

<bjc>i don't think that will work

<n|Phreak>why ?

<bjc>you'd need the realtek firmware in the operating-system config

<n|Phreak>oh yeah

<bjc>guix install just puts stuff in a profile for you

<n|Phreak>edit the system config

<n|Phreak>yep your right

<AKArien>well, the thing is, there is no realtek-firmware package ?

<n|Phreak>yeah will have to add nongnu channel

<n|Phreak>super easy

<AKArien>even in nonguix, if i'm seeing this correclty ?

<AKArien>hm, maybe i(m not seeing this correctly then oops

<AKArien>let me add it

<bjc>realtek-firmware is from nonguix

<bjc>at least it is for me

<n|Phreak>yeah I know , just said that

<ryanprior>if you're going the nonguix route this is not the appropriate irc channel just fyi

<bjc>oh sorry

<n|Phreak>ACTION ryanprior just a channel

<bjc>i'm really not sure why it'd be necessary

<n|Phreak>figure that out later

<bjc>very curious. is there anything in dmesg maybe?

<n|Phreak>oh right

<n|Phreak>lol

<n|Phreak>101 duh

<bjc>well, i suspect that it won't solve the problem, because it doesn't address it

<n|Phreak>sudo dmesg

<n|Phreak>sudo dmesg | tail -100

<bjc>AKArien: if you haven't yet, do a ‘guix pull’ and then reconfigure

<AKArien>well i have earlier today, so

<bjc>oh

<bjc>well it won't have changed that fast =)

<n|Phreak>a system reconfigure though ?

<AKArien>yup

<n|Phreak>lets blame 1.4

<bjc>and this *never* worked post-install, right?

<AKArien>from the system config file the installer generated me

<AKArien>reconfigured after upgrading to guix 1.5

<n|Phreak>install 1.5

<AKArien>correct, never worked

<AKArien>i am on 1.5 now, and have reconfigured after getting on it

<bjc>the installer uses a different setup than what it generated for you, and i wonder if it has some extras you need

<n|Phreak>yeah thats my thinking too

<bjc>can you submit a bug report with your hardware details? as specific as you can be about them?

<n|Phreak>yeah I was use the 1.5 installer

<n|Phreak>I would use the 1.5 installer

<bjc>if 1.4 worked, 1.5 should work

<bjc>or, at the very least, a bug report will hopefully elucidate why not

<n|Phreak>thats a lot of if's

<n|Phreak>webkit build 43%

<AKArien>hm, as for dmesg, i don't see anything showing up when grepping for wifi and wireless

<bjc>i mean from a project standpoint. if the hardware worked on 1.4 and stopped since then, that's the kind of thing you want to know about and fix if you can

<AKArien>what are hte other names to look for ?

<n|Phreak>for what dmesg ?

<AKArien>although the thing is, the hardware didn't work post installation on 1.4

<n|Phreak>for what dmesg ? grep for error

<bjc>how well do you know linux wireless networking?

<AKArien>basically none

<bjc>at this point i'd ditch networkmanager and start messing with wpa_supplicant directly

<n|Phreak>you can try

<n|Phreak>but if the interface doesn't show up its not going to work

<n|Phreak>edit wpa_supplicant.conf

<AKArien>i'll have to make a bug report indeed...

<bjc>there's nothing for it in `ip link`?

<AKArien>on codeberg, repo guix/guix ?

<bjc>i missed that too

<bjc>yeah, codeberg, guix issues

<AKArien>yeah no, nothing... :(

<ryanprior>if you're going to make a bug report, try the latest 1.5 installer first, because they won't want to see a bug report against an old unsupported installer

<n|Phreak>network={ ssid="<ssid>" key_mgmt=WPA-PSK psk="yourwifipass" }

<AKArien>the thing is, i downloaded the to-my-knowledge latest installer

<AKArien>like 2 days ago

<bjc>does the nic show up before wpa_supplicant binds?

<bjc>i can't remember

<AKArien>and it left me where it left me

<n|Phreak>sudo wpa_supplicant -c wpa_supplicant.conf -i <interface here> -B

<AKArien>which in itself is probably a bug report

<bjc>that answers that

<n|Phreak>what about guix locate realtek ?

<AKArien>uuh, i'm afraid i(m a bit lost by what you're saying about wpa_supplicant n|Phreak

<n|Phreak>ahh my bad

<n|Phreak>so create a file called wpa_supplicant.conf

<ryanprior>AKArien: was the installer image called guix-system-install-1.5.0.x86_64-linux.iso

<bjc>AKArien: what does `herd status wpa-supplicant` say?

<n|Phreak>sudo

<bjc>right, sudo

<bjc>specifically, is it running? and also, what's the value for `Command:`?

<AKArien>all i can tell you about th einstaller image is that i'm pretty damn sure it was, since i dowloaded it 2 days ago

<AKArien>didn't think to check

<n|Phreak>does it look like this ● Status of wpa-supplicant: It is running since 11:10:35 AM (9 hours ago). Main PID: 337 Command: /gnu/store/9930j9my1nh9wc2lglnm3vn7kna5f97n-wpa-supplicant-2.11/sbin/wpa_supplicant -P/var/run/wpa_supplicant.pid -B -s -u It is enabled.

<AKArien>yes sorry, i am a bit slow to answer

<AKArien>not used to this keyboard layout

<AKArien>it is running yes

<n|Phreak>wait really ?

<AKArien>command is /gnu/store/kjzp9mlynmkr99g0c9ysddyrsjv75jbi-wpa-supplicant-2.11/sbin/wpa_supplicant -P/var/run/wpa_supplicant.pid -B -s -u

<n|Phreak>what is the wpa tool again

<n|Phreak>just do iwlist scanning

<n|Phreak>do you see your wireless interface ?

<AKArien>not sure what tool you(re refering to, but i have a wpa_cli

<n|Phreak>that will work

<AKArien>root@quartz ~# iwlist scanning

<AKArien>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.

<AKArien>enp0s20f0u1 Interface doesn't support scanning.

<AKArien>and sitll no wl

<n|Phreak>yeah its not up

<bjc>AKArien: you may have output in /var/log/messages (or something in there anyway) from wpa_supplicant

<bjc>it's real weird that the driver is loaded but theres no device

<n|Phreak>hmm

<AKArien>nothing seems to be there bjc

<AKArien>well like

<AKArien>just that it starts and stop

<bjc>yeah, nothing to go off of

<n|Phreak>starts and stops ?

<AKArien>whe, i did start and stop it

<AKArien>i think ?

<AKArien>let me check

<n|Phreak>ifconfig .. how many interfaces do you have ?

<bjc>hrm. can you check lspci again for me, make sure the kernel driver in use is right, and not like, blacklist or something?

<n|Phreak>rfkill should of un blocked all interfaces

<AKArien>yeah yeah, stopped and started it, and there's one more round of it starting and stopping in log messages

<AKArien>there are also a few lines like this though : 2026-09-20 01:20:15 localhost dbus-daemon[248]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.101" (uid=986 pid=1194 comm="/gnu/store/9c03yp45qpxp0afybgpqbliraacwxf55-geoclu" label="unconfined") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error

<AKArien>name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.0" (uid=0 pid=280 comm="/gnu/store/kjzp9mlynmkr99g0c9ysddyrsjv75jbi-wpa-su" label="unconfined")

<AKArien>which, i notice "wpa", but can"t make sense of

<AKArien>i can, the -vs thing again N

<AKArien>*?

<bjc>yeah

<AKArien>will the irc gods strike me down if i paste a multi-line command resutlt ?

<AKArien>root@quartz ~# lspci -vs 01:00.0

<AKArien>01:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter

<AKArien> DeviceName: WLAN

<AKArien> Subsystem: AzureWave Device 3040

<AKArien> Flags: fast devsel, IRQ 17

<AKArien> I/O ports at 3000 [size=256]

<AKArien> Memory at b1200000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]

<n|Phreak>oh wlan

<ryanprior>AKArien: please use pastebin (linked in channel description) so as not to spam the channel

<AKArien>yeah, i had noted that earliser

<AKArien>oh sorry, didn't see

<AKArien>mb, didn't know it was so bad to do this

<n|Phreak>sudo nmcli wlan0 wifi connect "ssid" password "yourpass"

<ryanprior>if you didn't know you wouldn't have pre-apologized. but I appreciate you taking notice now

<AKArien>i anticipated that it might be a worry because briged users on irc on matrix channels took issue once, but i didn't believe too much it was seen as "bad manners"

<AKArien>noted, though

<AKArien>n|Phreak, the problem is, i don't have a wlan0 interface

<AKArien>through everything

<bjc>it may have been renamed during boot

<bjc>sudo dmesg | grep wlan will tell you

<AKArien>nothing

<AKArien>even with -i

<bjc>honestly, just grepping dmesg for the driver name that's running should tell you everything you need

<AKArien>bingo

<AKArien> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cf1a0245

<bjc>well that's that

<AKArien>progess !

<bjc>wild that it worked on the installer

<AKArien>does that mean firmware problems ?

<ryanprior>I'm curious where you got this installer from

<bjc>yes

<ryanprior>2 days ago but it was marked 1.5

<ryanprior>**marked 1.4

<ryanprior>that installer coulda had anything on there

<AKArien>well.. it installed 1.4 at least

<ryanprior>the installer sounds suspect to me

<bjc>yeah

<bjc>this is classic deblobbing

<AKArien>i'm pretty sure it was marked 1.5

<bjc>might be something weird with this particular chip, but how did it ever work?

<ryanprior>I wonder if the installer was not deblobbed, but the installed a deblobbed driver

<bjc>if the installer has blobs i will be very surprised

<ryanprior>the evidence seems to hint at that. it's what I would investigate next

<AKArien>hm... it's past 3 am here, i think i'm gonna go to bed and open an issue with that tomorrow, sounds good ?

<bjc>if it's the case, i would love to know why.

<ryanprior>AKArien: you've been persistent, take a rest!

<ryanprior>bjc: me too ofc

<AKArien>he, i'm nothing if not stubborn :P

<AKArien>thank you people :)

<AKArien>see you !

<n|Phreak>CRASH

<n|Phreak>we still trouble shooting wireless issues ?

<ryanprior>n|Phreak: our fellow went to bed and resolved to open an issue tomorrow

<n|Phreak>bummer

<abradd>Hi all, I'm working to update python-grpcio-tools and the package download from pypi is failing. The URL used by guix is: https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/source/g/grpcio-tools/grpcio-tools-1.83.1.tar.gz, but the actual archive is located at ".../grpcio_tools-1.83.1.tar.gz". What is the best way to address the mismatch?

<abradd>I should clarify, the difference is the "-" or "_" used between grpcio and tools. I noticed the 1.52.0 on pypi for the source archive uses - (though it uses an _ for the wheels).

<abradd>`guix import` to the rescue. Using `(uri (pypi-uri "grpcio_tools" version))` allowed the download to proceed.

<jlicht>anyone able to build emacs-flymake on current master?

<sigttou>running the subhurd (nested kvm) with smp+pae is a challenge, hopefully I am up for it.

<getd>Hi, I have an issue with libreoffice :guix system: erreur : build of `/gnu/store/vvlm5s9fq405ykn4h1n515hkbi9x1rn6-libreoffice-25.8.7.3.drv' failed. Its seems to be linked with xpdfwrapper :/tmp/guix-build-libreoffice-25.8.7.3.drv-0/libreoffice-25.8.7.3/sdext/source/pdfimport/xpdfwrapper/pdfioutdev_gpl.hxx:87:30: error: no matching function for call to ‘GooString::append(GooString*)’

<getd>what would be a basic way forward to get libreoffice running ?

<raen>hi! i'm thinking about install guix on an arm64 soc, the odroid hc4. i know how to build u-boot for it, but that's about it. how hard is it going to be to get a guix system running on it, and what hardware support can i expect?

<csantosb>jlicht: I just fixed emacs-flymake on master.

<jlicht>csantosb: thx!

<qzdl>o/ inkscape failing on aarch64 (guix time-machine -q --commit=043dd41e6243d91c3806990541066eab643f169e -- build --check inkscape dblatex accountsservice)

<qzdl>ah https://gitlab.com/inkscape/lib2geom/-/work_items/80

<qzdl>& https://ci.guix.gnu.org/search?query=inkscape-1.4+spec%3Amaster+system%3Aaarch64-linux

<qzdl>& regresses 5bad9d084c195c46407d123e8e71a316d743445d

<nmeum>how do I best debug new shepherd services? I am trying to write a new services with a custom stop action and somehow that action doesn't run and I want to figure out why

<nmeum>strace'ing it would help but that would probably require me to strace the shepherd process itself?

<qzdl>ok cause seems to be 5bad9d084c195c46407d123e8e71a316d743445d's phase(disable-geom-pathstroke-test) only applied on `inkscape', but it's lacking on inkscape/pinned (updated 1.3.X -> 1.4.4 in e4fa74f7478d9d53f95a8b78ef1d1be5a5e01039)

<noxi>for anyone currently working on the ocaml-team, what's missing to merge back ocaml 5 into master?

<bremner>is there some documentation for using full disk encryption with guix-system and uboot (aarch64)? The way I'm used to from debian/amd64 is to have an unencrypted /boot where the initrd lives. But guix wants to have /gnu/store available at boot (or at least that's the default extlinux.conf)

<bremner>I found https://notes.8pit.net/notes/mwpp.html, but that's for grub.

<qzdl>bremner: are you intending to avoid using grub ? if not, there ought to be no special case (if you can chainload to uboot, uboot can just use grub -> cryptomount -> normal)

<bremner>qzdl: I'm using an mnt pocket reform (aarch64). I don't think grub is a (supported) option

<qzdl>fair enough, not used this hardware, but platform magic/dtb aside, if it's following UEFI spec, then grub-efi-removable-bootloader should be fine?

<apteryx>we need a search on our blog page

<tusharhero-xmpp>guix.gnu.org?

<qzdl>bremner: c.f. [[info:guix#Bootloader Configuration]] & https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/src/commit/043dd41e6243d91c3806990541066eab643f169e/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm#L312

<qzdl>bremner: also that article is a bit out of date; we have grub2.14 now, so luks2 / argon2id is fine ootb

<sham1>When I last time tried to use Argon2ID, it didn't work. And IIRC it was with GRUB 2.14

<sham1>I had to change to the previous key derivation function

<bremner>in any case I'm not trying to do the "encrypted root" that you need grub support

<qzdl>yeah i had some issues in feb/march where it would just crash upon submitting the key; and on some devices with wonky uboot/spi, just getting the passphrase in was a chore; but am presently booted from luks2/argon2id on aarch64

<qzdl>bremner: did you see this report from theesm? https://me.literatelisp.eu/installing-and-running-guix-system-on-rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.html

<qzdl>(no fde)

<bremner>yes, and yes

<bremner>that's how I got as far as "guix system init foo.scm /mnt" to install the OS

<qzdl>yeah seeing decent amount of discussion guix & elsewhere, but it seems deep aspects of grub / edk2 / FDE is unsolved https://www.mail-archive.com/guix-devel@gnu.org/msg74398.html

<qzdl>oem scripts though https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/bin/reform-setup-encrypted-disk

<bremner>right, but the mnt (debian) uboot setup generates references to files in /boot: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6803bbf2

<bremner>I guess in some sense my question is "what is the best way to use cryptsetup in guix"

<bremner>(from initrd, to unlock disks).

<untrusem>I use a encrypted partition, I don't think I did anything special

<untrusem>I chose it in installer

<qzdl>my impression (not necessary accurate) is that guix's FDE is coupled to grub

<jlicht>could someone with the right certs/credentials kick https://pulls.ci.guix.gnu.org/build/2270437/details to retry? I think it just timed out, and it was taking suspiciously long either way

<jlicht>could it be system load of other things running making it slower than usual, or maybe even a slow runner that picked it up?

<jlicht>s/runner/worker

<untrusem>cbaines or civodul have the creds i think

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