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<jlicht>Tadhgmister: I 'simply' use guix-publish-service /w advertise? #t on my home network; seems to work fine so far without having to manually care about substitute urls on my laptop

<Tadhgmister>I was not aware of guix publish service, that seems obvious it would be a thing thinking about it

<GreenRocky>Is there a quick way for me to set the timezone for the installer?

<sneek>Welcome back GreenRocky, you have 1 message!

<sneek>GreenRocky, apteryx says: your messages were in the moderation queue; they should have gone through now.

<GreenRocky>I gotta update the timezone for just the installer

<adanska>Hi Guix!

<noe>hi adanska !

<adanska>hi noe!

<noe>how is your thesis going?

<adanska>noe, its going well, thanks for asking :) i've been spending the last week writing a process watchdog in guile using fibers

<adanska>this is my first time actually using it so lots of learning curves, but i'm loving learning about guile more deeply re. continuations/prompts

<adanska>it feels so cool getting to use Guix/Shepherd/Guile as the main focus for my thesis, it really makes me feel like im doing something new

<futurile>morning morning

<egginun>Good morning, #guixers,

<egginun>I say, is there a way to install a current non-esr version of Thunderbird with Guix?

<egginun>I've very recently installed Linux Mint and Guix on top of it. Now my problem is, that I came from Fedora and my backup is to new for the Thunderbird ESR version. But so far everywhere I looked, everything I've tried, it would only give me some old ESR version.

<futurile>egginun: nonguix seems to have it - https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix/-/work_items/366 - don't know the versions though

<futurile>egginun: if it's not in a channel you could use flatpak or even nix

<egginun>Flatpak only seems to have the ESR version. Why would I want Nix, when I can have Guix? ;-) :-D Will have a look at nonguix, though.

<futurile>I guess it's so large that mostly people want the stable version

<futurile>you'd definitely be down a rabbit hole with Fedora->Guix->Nix heh heh

<egginun>futurile, I mean, I wouldn't care, if it worked.

<egginun>I mean, I am now getting to an age, where I don't need new kernel updates _every week_. :-)

<egginun>> you'd definitely be down a rabbit hole with Fedora->Guix->Nix heh heh

<egginun>I guess my beard isn't long enough for that. ;-)

<egginun>"2.063 new commits" for nonguix. I guess, I'm going to get a coffee. :-D

<jlicht>o/ guix

<futurile>hey hey jlicht

<egginun>Ach, damnit, Thunderbird is not available at all.

<egginun>There is a current Firefox, though. :D

<egginun>I found, that there is also a "--allow-downgrade" option in Thunderbird, but on the 2nd start it just corrupts my profile.

<futurile>oh sorry - it's actually hard to find the non-esr version on the Thunderbird site

<csantosb_>Hi Guix from a brand new fresh Guix System install ! All runs smoothly, except I have a hard time figuring out how to store credentials for nextcloud, any idea ? There must be a service or something around.

<egginun>Hello, csantosb_,

<egginun>shouldn't nextcloud-client normally ask for username and password?

<futurile>if there's no service I guess you have to add it as a file to the config with the pre-encrypted password

<csantosb_>egginun: Problem is it asks for it every time I login, which is annoying.

<jlicht>there's the sops way ('random' external channel: https://github.com/fishinthecalculator/sops-guix )

<jlicht>perhaps something can be hacked together /w what that channel provides

<csantosb_>futurile: Do you have an example around ?

<csantosb_>I was expecting `home-gcr-ssh-agent-service-type` or similar to make it, but I'm unable to make it work

<futurile>umm I know that efraim used to use local file for their ssh-hosts (that's where I stole mine from): https://gitlab.com/Efraim/guix-config/-/blob/master/X1.scm?ref_type=heads#L144

<csantosb_>futurile: I'll have a look, thank you

<kestrelwx>o/

<yarl>hi

<futurile>heya yarl & kestrelwx

<efraim>futurile: wait, you got ssh-known-hosts to work?

<futurile>efraim: no, sorry - I'm using it for thinks like my ssh ID key files - which I'm pretty sure I got from you

<efraim>oh, that's what line 144 pointed to on my copy, i probably should go through and clean up some of my configs and commit the changes

<efraim>I got the local-file for the keys from the guix-maintenance repo :)

<yarl>ci.guix.gnu.org 504 Gateway Time-out

<PotentialUser-35>hey

<PotentialUser-35>does anyone know if the fs declaration applies to bcachefs?

<PotentialUser-35>11.4 File Systems from manual. to mount automatically

<cdegroot>Why do I always read "b-c-a chefs" there and think "why are people talking about catering companies in #guix"?

<PotentialUser-35>also do you know what is repository for a restic service to back my files on another partition? and if my laptop is off or suspended when is it executed?

<PotentialUser-35>haha cdegroot

<futurile>PotentialUser-35: I think the manual gives an example config: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Miscellaneous-Services.html

<futurile>PotentialUser-35: assuming you're using services

<PotentialUser-35>hmm I know that example

<PotentialUser-35>but it doesnt help w my question

<n|Phreak>The updated kitty terminal works great accept that it complains about systemd

<identity>PotentialUser-35: if your question is «can i use bcachefs on Guix» the answer is «yes, but you need to add ‘bcachefs-linux-module’ to ‘initrd-modules’»

<PotentialUser-35>identity thx but not my question. I have it as non root fs

<PotentialUser-35>i just wanna mount it when i turn the laptop on

<PotentialUser-35>its like a data partition identity

<identity>i do not understand what the question is, then

<identity>you can use bcachefs with Guix. you know, like, put the file-system declaration in your operating-system defintion?

<PotentialUser-35>i have just created a bcachefs on my existing guix for some data and id like it be mounted when i turm on my laptop. but i think no initram shoud intervene as its not a root partition...

<PotentialUser-35>identity

<identity>well, then you probably do not need to put ‘bcachefs-linux-module’ into ‘initrd-modules’

<PotentialUser-35>i wanted to follow the manual but then i noticed that mounting of bcachefs is not done via the normal mount command identity

<identity>what do you mean?

<PotentialUser-35>so i dont think the instructions from the manual apply

<nox>o/

<PotentialUser-35>identity my bcachefs is a mirror and there is this https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/issues/7647

<PotentialUser-35>i mount it with the command from bcachefs tools

<nox>OCaml 4.x releases are currently pulled with bare HTTP, which... throws a redirect. I wrote a small PR to replace them with https.

<nox> https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/pulls/8120

<PotentialUser-35>idk if using the uuid in system decl wuld work

<PotentialUser-35>identity

<identity>PotentialUser-35: pretty sure (uuid "…") just returns the corresponding device node; also, i am not a bcachefs expert, so i really have no idea about how to use it on Guix System

<PotentialUser-35>hmm

<PotentialUser-35>who would know?

<PotentialUser-35>i disconnect for 30 but will check the logs

<ieure>identity, `uuid' is a record constructor, `(uuid "...")' only allocates + initializes a record, it does not return a device node.

<PotentialUser-86>ieure thanks for the clarification

<PotentialUser-86>im back under a different username

<PotentialUser-86>in case you know if the example from the manual allows to mount a data partition (non root) of bcachefs automatically after the system starts

<futurile>is there something special about 'bcachefs' isn't this just allow user to mount something, so you write to fstab? Or am I too out of date with new ways to do things

<futurile>there's also a pam-mount-service which I found with "guix user mount filesystem" search

<PotentialUser-86>futurile can u rehrase the first sentence?

<bjc>pam-mount-service is for automatically mounting drives on login which may require your login credentials

<bjc>the standard way to mount a filesystem in guix is through the file-systems part of the operating-system configuration

<bjc>there's nothing special about bcachefs, afaik, except that it was so bad it got booted from the kernel

<nikolar>well, technically, the filesystem itself wasn't the reason for that

<futurile>I guess it was the "mount by user" part that was confusing me

<futurile>seems like we don't have an answer right now PotentialUser-86 - try the help-user mailing list I guess

<PotentialUser-8>Hey I did guix pull and now I did guix upgrade but its just stuck at 0% of vuilding some derivation

<PotentialUser-8>I did C-c and tried again and same result. Then I rebooted and tried again same result

<PotentialUser-8>Its just stuck at 0% do you know what I can do?

<ieure>PotentialUser-8, What derivation?

<kestrelwx>Stuck for how long?

<PotentialUser-8>...gmv-guix-1.5.0-2.520785e.drv

<PotentialUser-8>Its been 10 mins at 0%

<PotentialUser-8>The system is not frozen

<PotentialUser-8>The cursor blinks

<PotentialUser-8>Any ideas? ieure kestrelwx

<ieure>PotentialUser-8, I do not know.

<PotentialUser-8>Can I increase verbosity ieure

<PotentialUser-8>?

<PotentialUser-8>Or is there a log somewhere of what the hell the laptop is doing right now?

<kestrelwx>You can see the log for the derivation.

<PotentialUser-8>kestrelwx where /how?

<kestrelwx>I think the containers test might still hang, though I'm not sure if it's enabled for the package, otherwise on my weak CPU it takes about 20-30 minutes to build the `guix` package.

<PotentialUser-8>I have a weak cpu kestrelwx

<ieure>Best advice is to wait and let it run, then.

<PotentialUser-8>Otuerwise shall I see the log? Where? kestrelwx

<kestrelwx>Do you not get the path when you cancel the build?

<ieure>kestrelwx, I do not believe you do.

<ieure>kestrelwx, Only if the build fails.

<PotentialUser-8>kestrelwx ieure no path when I cancel

<kestrelwx>If you're on EU time you could just try tomorrow morning, you'd probably just get a substitute for it.

<kestrelwx>ieure: I think they can then set a `--timeout` to a reasonable time, then.

<ieure>kestrelwx, When a build times out for me, I don't get a log, either.

<PotentialUser-8>Why would a sub appear tmrw?

<ieure>PotentialUser-8, Because the build farm will have built it.

<PotentialUser-8>How recent is this guix?

<ieure>Most things without substitutes are recent by definition.

<ieure>But I see that civodul merged a guile-git bump an hour ago, I believe that would have triggered a guix rebuild.

<kestrelwx>ieure: unless you're on a really old commit. :D

<PotentialUser-8>Hum I see

<PotentialUser-8>Ok so maybe I will try tmrw

<PotentialUser-8>Thanks

<kestrelwx>For `guix build hello --timeout=5 --no-substitutes` I do see a path.

<PotentialUser-8>I did C-c and somehow it didnt cancel but started increasing the % and I got 11% now

<PotentialUser-8>Hmm

<kestrelwx>Perhaps it's taking a while to compile after all.

<PotentialUser-8>I die C-c again and didnt cancel

<PotentialUser-8>Why is C-c not working

<PotentialUser-8>It just pushes the cursor down by one line

<ieure>PotentialUser-8, The build is happening in a different process than the command to begin the build.

<ieure>I would still expect C-c to kill it, though.

<ieure>But you cannot directly send a signal to the build process, your user doesn't have sufficient privilege to.

<PotentialUser-8>But then how do I interrupt it? ieure

<PotentialUser-8>C-z also does nothing btw

<PotentialUser-8>sudo shutdown? Diesnt seem quite right

<kestrelwx>C-c C-c doesn't work either?

<PotentialUser-8>Nope

<PotentialUser-8>It just pushes the cursor down two linrd

<PotentialUser-8>This devil just wont stop

<kestrelwx>You can `ps aux | grep guix` and then `kill -9` the process owned by the builder user. I think this is due to the same issue with containers.

<PotentialUser-8>Same issue as what?

<kestrelwx>I think this is what I saw few days ago and you see currently. https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/issues/7690

<kestrelwx>Good night!

<untrusem>hel|o

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