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<freakingpenguin>roran: I do + keepass2android. Slowly migrating to pass though.
<below_turtles_>how to activate a cuirass spec? Clicked the deactivate specification button...
<below_turtles_>or delete a spec created by the web ui?
<roran>freakingpenguin: can pass work on android?
<freakingpenguin>roran: There's an app on F-Droid called Password Store. It can integrate with open keychain if you have a hardware key.
<roran>Very interesting. How does losing said key end up for users, usually?
<freakingpenguin>Badly if you don't back up the private keys to a flash drive or paper printout during creation.
<below_turtles_>cuirass that obscure?
<roran>Sorry, below_turtles_; I'm just a dummy, so I dunno.
<roran>freakingpenguin: so you CAN extract those keys. i've wondered a lot about that
<roran>which one do you use?
<freakingpenguin>roran: You generate the keys off the device, back them up, then move then on the device. Once it's on the device you can't get them back off.
<roran>Aha. Does the device have some sort of "yeah now get rid of those" mechanism/
<freakingpenguin>I think that depends on the device? I use a yubikey 5 which supports creating a "fake" pin that wipes the GPG keys.
<freakingpenguin>roran: is mostly what I followed. IIRC you'll need pcscd-service in system and want home-gpg-agent-service.
<peanuts>"GitHub - drduh/YubiKey-Guide: Guide to using YubiKey for GPG and SSH"
<roran>very nice; thank you freakingpenguin
<freakingpenguin>you're welcome, enjoy the food for thought.
<guestinator>hi guix, guix pull lists the channels in my channels.scm and succeeds, but afterwards guix describe only shows the guix channel. what might be happening?
<freakingpenguin>guestinator: Does guix describe show the time when you last run pull? I also see missing channels if I pull as a normal user and describe as root fwiw.
<guestinator>it appears to be happening when I execute a symlink to ~/.config/guix/current/bin/guix, but not when I execute it directly (well, “directly” as that is itself a symlink to the store). which is weird
<guestinator>particularly weird since pulling grabs all the channels just fine
<guestinator>seems like guix might look for channels.scm using a relative path based on $0 sometimes? weird
<apteryx>is #~() equivalent to #~(list) ?
<lilyp>apteryx: #~'() is equivalent to #~(quote)
<futurile>morning all
<apoorv569>Wasn't catch2 compile issue fixed? I just pulled but still having compile error.
<jpoiret>apoorv569: what is the issue?
<jpoiret>heh, funny comment around the package definition for Perl:
<jpoiret>“Yeah, Perl... It is required early in the bootstrap process by Linux.”
<apoorv569>jpoiret: Here is the error,
<jpoiret>what architecture are you on?
<jpoiret>it just built fine for me on x86_64 but I don't have the same derivation as you
<jpoiret>you could try to find the output of the test that's failing earlier in the log, that would probably help
<apoorv569>jpoiret: I'm on x86_64 only.
<jpoiret>what commit are you on then?
<apoorv569>There's quite a few that fails, here are the test logs,
<apoorv569>For `guix` channel I'm on, c0b303aaa3d6154acbe054120d11467eb98e6d33 according to `guix describe`
<peanuts>"guix.git - GNU Guix and GNU Guix System"
<jpoiret>apoorv569: since those are tests for a testing framework, it's the tests that are being tested that mostly fail. Seems there's one actual failing test, but I can't pinpoint it :p
<jpoiret>apoorv569: huh, it seems that it's the test "uniform_floating_point_distribution is reproducible - float"
<apoorv569>jpoiret: I see. So its something to do with my system?
<jpoiret>I have no idea tbf. Maybe?
<jpoiret>their documentation seems to say that their implementation of it should be reproducible on all hosts, but they might not have checked thoroughly enough
<jpoiret>no issues open about it though. If you can reproduce manually (ie. by building it yourself manually), they might be interested in a bug report.
<apoorv569>So try `guix shell catch2` maybe?
<jpoiret>`guix shell -D catch2` rather, to have all dependencies, then try to build the latest tag from their repo
<jpoiret>if the same test still fails, then it might be an actual problem
<jpoiret>i haven't seen any changes to that part of the code since 3.1 but I might be wrong
<apoorv569>jpoiret: I don't know how to build the latest tag.. like what do I run? `guix shell -D catch2` then inside the shell what to run?
<apoorv569>guix shell -D catch2 then guix build catch2 seems to be just fine.. also I don't see the compilation it downloads substitute I guess.
<freakingpenguin>catch2 is broken specifically with --system=i686-linux. Don't think the patch made it in yet.
<freakingpenguin>Also I'm pretty sure shell -D would be if you wanted to build it outside of guix, I don't think? it matters to guix build
<jpoiret>freakingpenguin: yeah, the goal was to reproduce it manually without going through `guix build` (upstream maintainers wouldn't really like having a guix build bug report)
<jpoiret>freakingpenguin: do you have a ref for that patch? is it a guix patch or an upstream patch?
<janneke>so, on core-updates, git-minimal has
<janneke>(string-append "SHELL_PATH="
<janneke> #$(this-package-native-input "bash-minimal")
<janneke> "/bin/sh")
<janneke>the Hurd cross-build fails like this
<janneke>%exception #<&invoke-error program: "make" arguments: ("-j" "8" "V=1" "SHELL_PATH=/gnu/store/arwrkg9qpp8fcr7q80zccl3hhaf9b944-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/sh" "TEST_SHELL_PATH=/gnu/store/ifmrcim21rv0k0crpsn3fw0mj0hwn3jl-bash-5.1.16/bin/bash" "NO_INSTALL_HARDLINKS=indeed") exit-status: 2 term-signal: #f stop-signal: #f>
<janneke>where file $(readlink -f /gnu/store/arwrkg9qpp8fcr7q80zccl3hhaf9b944-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/sh) gives:
<janneke>/gnu/store/arwrkg9qpp8fcr7q80zccl3hhaf9b944-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /gnu/store/kp95j1hpn27dhdf8dfi8ghjqfc94w305-glibc-cross-i586-pc-gnu-2.38/lib/, for GNU/Hurd 0.0.0, stripped
<janneke>WTF, what gives?
<podiki>A catch2 fix was reported here but personally haven't had a chance to try
<peanuts>"IRC channel logs"
<rekado>janneke: does #$ vs #+ make a difference here?
<janneke>rekado: that fixes it, thanks!
<HikariNee>The GHC package on Guix has been out of date for a while now, GHC moved to 9.4 for LTS, while looking at the source I saw guix still packages the extremely old versions like 4.4 and 8.8, surely its been long enough to consider dropping those?
<HikariNee>I would love to update the package but GHC is too large for my computer to compile without freezing
<rekado>hibiki: these extremely old versions have been added with great pain
<rekado>sorry, I meant HikariNee
<rekado>the old versions of GHC are meant to be used to bootstrap more recent versions of GHC
<rekado>so we will not drop them unless a different bootstrap can be found
<freakingpenguin>Those package definitions look terrifying, props to everyone who figured them out.
<singpolyma>Hopefully a new GHC fixes the show stopping bug that keeps me on time machine to older guix for now on my haskell projects
<singpolyma>OTOH so thankful for time machine making my life possible right now
<mwette>I'm working on spec for several related packages. To compile B, B needs compiled A, cmpiled A needs files from B's source. What's the way to do that? Do I need to create a source-only package for A?
<mwette>How about (native-inputs (package-source ,A)) ? Lemme try.
<freakingpenguin>singpolyma: Even ghc-next (v9.4.4) is too out of date? It also looks like 9.4.8 was released and ghc-next can be built with the new revision. Haven't finished running tests though.
<singpolyma>freakingpenguin: I'm using 9.0.2 for now
<jpoiret>i'm working on ghc in core-updates
<jpoiret>some testsuite failures with our new upgrades 🙃 it takes ages to rebuild
<freakingpenguin>You're not kidding, feels like ghc takes longer than clang.
<freakingpenguin>Keep on fighting the good fight
<jpoiret>it takes longer than rust at least, but I suspect that's mostly because the testsuite is not run parallelized by default
<jpoiret>ah, apparently having it on causes test failures
<HikariNee>that feels good to know, thanks for your effort :)
<jpoiret> :(
<freakingpenguin>podiki: re. catch2, if switching to clang isn't desirable I found the build succeeds with "-DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS=-msse2 -mfpmath=sse".
<freakingpenguin>From a comment on
<peanuts>"one test fails for 2.5.1 release building with gcc 11/10 on i686-linux ? Issue #2796 ? catchorg/Catch2 ? GitHub"
<jpoiret>I can't remember if SSE2 is considered ok
<jpoiret>we have packages that explicitely disable SSE2, and some that explicitely enable it, so there is no consensus on this
<freakingpenguin>I wonder if the clang fix works because clang might assume sse2 on 32-bit builds by default.
<freakingpenguin>Yep, that seems to be the case. Clang with -mno-sse fails.
<freakingpenguin>Just -msse is required actually, not -msse2 fwiw
<jpoiret>ah, the joys of computers
<panosalevro>hey all, can someone help me with guix home? after installing packages via `guix home reconfigure`, i cant run any of the packages. it can only find the packages after `source /home/user/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile`, but i don't understand why the profile isn't sourced automatically. last time i asked, people suggested that i include a home-bash-service-type (which i was missing), but i still
<panosalevro>can't run any of the packages without sourcing the profile manually.
<Franciman>do you use it on guix system?
<Franciman>can i see your home config scm?
<panosalevro>Franciman: yep, give me a sec
<peanuts>"debian Pastezone"
<Franciman>hmm i see
<Franciman>a dumb quetion, peanuts
<peanuts>Franciman: Hi, for comments please contact my maintainers at
<Franciman>panosalevro: *
<Franciman>after you run guix home reconfigure. Do you start a fresh shell?
<panosalevro>Franciman: well i tried starting a fresh shell, switching to tty, rebooting.. nothing helped
<graywolf>As far as I can tell the installation image uses grub-bootloader. How would I go about switching that to generate a install medium with uefi instead?
<freakingpenguin>panosalevro: What does your .bash_profile and .profile look like? Mine is if that's any help.
<peanuts>"debian Pastezone"
<mekeor>graywolf: i'd guess: write a operating-system declaration, inherit from the install-image's os-declaration, generate an iso from that
<graywolf>mekeor: I mean, I can do that (I already do for unrelated changes), but I not sure how to configure the bootloader field. If nothing else, it will require an extra partition, and I am not sure how to specify the partition layout to guix system image invocation...
<efraim>i'm getting compile errors on guile-2.0 on powerpc32 :(
<graywolf>Hm, I might have a lead.
<graywolf>Ok, follow up question: Why is grub-efi-removable-bootloader not considered an EFI bootloader? Are there technical limitations I am not aware of?
<Guest14>How can I test git send-email but not actually send the mail to test my config?
<panosalevro>freakingpenguin: you saved me, thanks!
<freakingpenguin>Glad to help!
<Altadil>Guest14: I think the tutorial at has an address you can write to for testing, with an automated answer
<efraim>civodul: I was looking at bug28211 about using guile-2.2 for grafts and I tried guile-3.0 and got a segfault
<efraim>GC-marker-7[6947]: segfault at 2010 ip 00007ffff7e19bc7 sp 00007ffff3ad0c30 error 4 in[7ffff7e12000+1c000] likely on CPU 19 (core 9, socket 0)
<peanuts>"Stack marking race conditions lead to crashes for multi-threaded programs in 2.2.7/3.0.1"
<Guest14>Altadil: Seems down.
<Guest14>graywolf: thanks
<Guest14>Does Sourcehut host websites like Github pages?  Would explain why the website is down
<graywolf>Yeah I would assume it is hosted on the same infrastucture (the is made by Drew deVault, owner of sourcehut)
<Noisytoot>I think the tome4 package is non-free. See COPYING-MEDIA in the tarball it downloads ('All the medias located in all the "/data/gfx" folders are granted to use with the Tales of Maj'Eyal game only.'). This was reported a few years ago, but it was decided that it was allowed in Guix because of the non functional data exception in the FSDG: I think this is wrong. If the game does not run without it, how is it
<Noisytoot>non-functional? Also, it restricts freedom 1, because if you modify the source code, you cannot legally use the non-free media that it does not run without.
<peanuts>"tome4 tiles are nonfree?"
<rekado>FSDG says: “For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information—a fictional world map, game graphics, and so on—released under such a verbatim-distribution license. This kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional.”
<rekado>the non-functional part is undisputed.
<rekado>the only question is whether it is fine for the license to restrict use in other games
<Noisytoot>I don't think it should count as a verbatim distribution license if it restricts use
<rekado>the FSDG only mention permission to copy and redistribute for commercial and non-commercial purposes
<Noisytoot>so non-functional data under a license that allows copying and redistributing for commercial and non-commercial purposes but does not allow use would be fine?
<lilyp>that'd be a weird license if ever I saw one
<peaceful_elion>Howdy, folks. Anyone have any advice as to how I could get an Emacs package with debug symbols? I don't see one in the repos and I'm not sure how I might compile my own.
<gnucode>Hey friends, I'm planning on hosting a happy belated new year's party for the Hurd. Mostly we are going to be talking about the Hurd, but if you want to drop by feel free!
<peanuts>"Happy Belated New Year's Party: Hurd Edition"
<podiki>congrats for the hurd!