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<jaeme>cow_2001: Do you mean that the package build succeeded but you can't load the module in Guile? <cow_2001>(oh, by the way, the license is of course the wrong one. i am trying to make it works first before anything else) <cow_2001>jaeme: yes, i ,use (srfi srfi-232) and it complains there's none like that <cow_2001>jaeme: mind you, inside a `guix shell -L . guile-srfi-232 -- guile` <jaeme>Did you check %load-path in your repl? <attila_lendvai>when the build hangs, and i C-c the build daemon, then it doesn't retain the build dir, even with guix build -K... damn. <jeremyc>I have base xfce config that I want to add to my home config, is there a better way of doing it than listing every single file in home-xdg-configuration-files-service-type? <Kolev>My Guix system config calls for a nonfree channel. Should I edit it out when sharing my config ? <attila_lendvai>Kolev, if you want others to attempt to reproduce your problem, then yes. otherwise i wouldn't sweat it too much. (but i don't represent guix, i'm just a user) <singpolyma>Kolev: doing so would be a disservice to other imo <Kolev>singpolyma: so censor it like i thought <Kolev>singpolyma: I just don't want to accidentally assist in the propagation of proprietary software per the GNU FSDG. <singpolyma>Even RMs has said many times that if your neighbour asks you for a copy of a nonfree program that you have, the least bad choice is to give it to them <singpolyma>Advertising such here would be against The Rules but sharing your own config online is a different matter <Kolev>I'll just avoid showing the contents of my channels.scm. <Kolev>singpolyma: I mean, if I need help and need to share my system config, I'm in a sticky situation. <singpolyma>Ah, well, I dunno. I wouldn't worry about it too much but you're right in that narrow case someone might rap your knuckles <Kolev>singpolyma: Sorry. My current hardware is technically and socially inferior. <cow_2001>now i just need to learn the guix bureaucracy of contribution ~_~ <lh>> To natively compile your emacs packages ahead of time, use a transformation like --with-input=emacs-minimal=emacs <lh>is there a documented way to do this declaratively? <lh>i.e. from guix-home.scm or whatever <lh>maybe a map over a list of packages with (package (inherit p) …) but then I’m not sure how to override emacs-build-system <Kolev>While reconfiguring, running out of space. <Kolev>BTW, does LyX pull in TeX Live? <adanska>Hi efraim! Hi janneke! How's things? <xelxebar>Ooh. Nice QA page. What's the rust-team branch work about? <efraim>in this round rust is bumped to 1.73 and we have cross-compiling working well enough to enable it <efraim>plus tons of crate updates and some new rust apps and updates <cnx>what is the benefit for guix.texi to be a giant monolithic file? <efraim>it started like that and grew. We've split off contributing.texi so far <cnx>that's the most logical reason for it <cnx>btw does anyone use vim for texinfo? i can't fold the sections and it's impossible to tell when a section starts or end <efraim>I use vim exclusively. I normally end up with 2 or 3 splits for guix.texi and also looking at the website or using less or grepping from the terminal <efraim>writing it out I guess I had normalised how bad it is in vim <Kolev>efraim: How do you handle Lisp in Vim?! <efraim>the short answer is I have this file in my guix repo https://bpa.st/CJYQ and I combine global and ctags and most of the time the indentation is correct <efraim>no vim-paraedit or autoparens or anything like that. I found it too distracting <Kolev>efraim, good luck with that... <efraim>I also never gave emacs a long try. I tried it on and off for about a month but never really wrapped my head around all the bits that it could do and I couldn't remember any of the key combinations <efraim>I have a video of myself working on the newsboat package. IIRC I tried to slow down but still ended up flying around the screen in vim <Kolev>efraim: I don't know all the key combos for Emacs. I just know what I need, like "delete line" and "delete word." <efraim>sneek: later tell civodul fixed automake on core-updates. we were missing include/c++ for objc++ include path <fnat>More info, including agenda, and registrations <futurile>oh cool - I need to remember to join that remotely <fnat>futurile: super, see you later <jpoiret>civodul: is there any time frame for core-updates? <jpoiret>i see you've been working on it recently <jpoiret>i've updated my (now quite old) python patch for the `guix pack` issues <civodul>jpoiret: i’m tired of the glibc graft so i’d like to merge it soon <sneek>civodul, you have 1 message! <sneek>civodul, efraim says: fixed automake on core-updates. we were missing include/c++ for objc++ include path <civodul>and make sure we don’t go much beyond core packages <civodul>jpoiret: BTW, do you remember offhand what’s missing in glibc 2.38 for x86_64-gnu support? <jpoiret>no, i hadn't tried at all but i remember sergei saying something along those lines when 2.38 was released <Kolev>efraim: Nice. I'll update the Tectonic docs. <efraim>I just wanted to not build gcc-objc/objc++ for aarch64/armhf tons of times <jpoiret>is python considered core? i would say it is <jpoiret>do we have a shepherd for the new core-updates? <Kolev>Looks like Tectonic needs updated. efraim <efraim>rust-team branch is currently locked, it'll have to wait until after the merge <nckx>jpoiret: It is core, just as a matter of fact. <jpoiret>i agree but i see a recent discussion on the MLs where only base.scm and commencement.scm were attributed to the core team <nckx>Oh, I thought you meant rebuild-wise. Teamwise, I was convinced there was a Python team. <nckx>There is, does the regexp not catch python itself? <jpoiret>what i meant to ask was whether changes to python should go on the core-updates branch or left for the python team <janneke>rebuild-wise, has anyone looked if python-on-guile can be used to remove python from commencement? <nckx>jpoiret: 'Left' if they're responsive... <nckx>I mean, not passively, but 'consulted'. <jpoiret>yes, i'll just page them in on the patch and we'll see where we go from there then <janneke>hmm, python-on-guile doesn't even build <civodul>janneke: there should be a python-team branch <civodul>as per last year’s (!) discussion, i’d rather see Python changes in a dedicated branch <civodul>i mean, let’s avoid turning core-updates into a catch-all branch <janneke>right, but would removing python from commencement not be a step towards avoiding just that? <civodul>i thought jpoiret was asking about making changes to Python in general <jpoiret>yeah so that's for the python team branch, right? <civodul>that one change could probably go to ‘core-updates’ actually <janneke>yes, but i suspected touching python for python's sake could easily trigger a world rebuild <civodul>in theory my take is that it’s best to leave such a change to ‘python-team’, so its effect can be analyzed independently of bigger changes (gcc, glibc, etc.) and on a smaller timeframe <civodul>now, we have a scheduling problem, which is that we don’t know which of the two branches will be merged first <janneke>hmm, %bootstrap-guile lacks libguile.h etc, so no (easy) python-on-guile in commencement for now <civodul>janneke: yeah, and last time we looked, i think python-on-guile wasn’t capable enough to do what we need <janneke>why issn't guile-persist written in scheme, and why doesn't it serialize to s-expressions? <janneke>maybe someone could contribute a scheme version of glibc's python thingy as a bootstrap option to them <janneke>ACTION hasn't really looked how much python code there is in glibc <oceane>hi, sorry but i've really tried to solve this problem by looking up online, without success: <oceane>i cannot manage herd services, it tells me that /run/user/1002/shepherd/socket isn't found <oceane>i don't even know how i could create a socket, i've only found people suggesting to use socat or c code as part of development projects <oceane>i must admit i haven't tried socat yet, as i'm not sure this is the real issue – <oceane>there's no sephered/socket path for my root user anyway, which can, however, list running services with herd <oceane>so i'm a little bit lost and confused <oceane>and then there's a second problem, which is more generalistic, and i don't know where to ask my question <oceane>i've downloaded and verified the checksums for the last cwtch tarball, but when i try running the executable it tells me that lib/cwtch isn't found <oceane>the file is here, the file can be read, so i've tried to convert its EOL to the unix format, with dos2unix(1) <oceane>the files were executable already… <oceane>so i have this herd problem and then this very basically cwtch problem <ieure>oceane, Are you on GuixSD, or Guix on a foreign distro? <oceane>or sorry, thank you ieure, on guixsd <civodul>oceane: by default, when running ‘herd’ as non-root, it tries to talk to your non-root shepherd, if it exists <civodul>in this case, the message means that there is no non-root shepherd running <ieure>oceane, What is cwtch and where are you getting it from? <oceane>ieure, cwtch is so-to-speak a queer, cpt signal <oceane>civodul: of course i've run sudo herd, i'm going to tell you its output, brb <ieure>oceane, I have no idea what any of that means. <ieure>It's an encrypted messaging thing? <oceane>ieure, basically, i'm trying to run a binary with ./cwtch <ieure>oceane, Can you paste the error message that gives you? <ieure>"download and run random binary" is very against the spirit of Guix and not very well-supported. <oceane>civodul, indeed, it works for `herd status`, but there's no /run/user/983/shepherd path either, so i'm probably missing out on something right? <oceane>ieure: “env: ./lib/cwtch: no such file or directory” <oceane>… wait, do i just need to set an environment variable? <ieure>But I have meetings now and have to step away. <oceane>ieure: i don't get your second last message <ieure>oceane, "That is not your problem," that is, you don't need to set an environment variable. <ieure>oceane, The crux of your problem is that you need a proper Guix package for this, not to run stuff from a downloaded tarball. <oceane>ieure: thank you, i'll try to set it up <ieure>The error message implies that you're running a script with a shebang of `#!/usr/bin/env ./lib/cwtch' -- w <ieure>Sorry, a shebang of `#!/usr/bin/env ./lib/cwtch' -- and that doesn't exist. <civodul>oceane: /run/user/*/shepherd is for unprivileged (non-root) shepherd instance, which appear to be missing here (and that’s fine!) <civodul>so make sure to use “sudo herd …” to talk to the system-wide shepherd (PID 1) <oceane>civodul: thank you! i'm going to try something… <oceane>civodul, ok, i was just used to running emacs as a systemd service <oceane>(i think ieure is afk, i don't want to bother them) <jpoiret>oceane: about your other problem, it's not necessarily that very lib that can't be found, but rather one of its dynamic dependencies. <jpoiret>you might have more info by launching your program with `LD_DEBUG=libs` set <jpoiret>Guix handles dynamic libraries in a very uncommon way so you'll probably have to 1) patch the elf files or 2) set LD_LIBRARY_PATH temporarily, pointing to the directories where you can find the dependencies <jpoiret>civodul: hmm, testing out my python patch it seems that it'll require more work wrt. our sitecustomize.py. Lots of parts of Python somehow use abspath instead of realpath, completely breaking posix semantics <jpoiret>the basics seem to work though, which is great <sarg>today's AVR/cross-gcc changes are dope. One question though - the changes are attributed to Foundation Devices, Inc. Does guix accept patches from companies now? <civodul>jpoiret: Python’s brittle, not ‘guix pack’ :-) <civodul>(colleagues of mine are happy ‘guix pack -RR’ users in pretty hostile environments) <civodul>sarg: Guix accepts patches from anyone, individuals and companies <civodul>and even organizations that are not companies <civodul>even cats, as long as they can write a ChangeLog <jpoiret>civodul: maybe brittle isn't the word, but arcane: i'm used to naming my GUIX_PROFILE before sourcing it, but for a guix pack -RR that won't work since then the paths don't get rewritten <jpoiret>also there's nothing about sourcing profiles in the guix pack docs, even though it's quite important for most use-cases <jpoiret>ie. as soon as you start using python <jpoiret>i'll just send my patch on the ML and summarize the whole thing. <sarg>cool! Time to think if AI generated contributions are welcome :) <sarg>btw, writing guix ChangeLog entries only requires no less than a university degree. I'm not sure I've had even one commit merged without commit message changes <janneke>it has little to do with Guix, it's been what we've been doing in GNU for decades now <janneke>before, more folks had part of their upbringing writing (patches for) some GNU project, i figure <lfam>I'm planning to change my Guix signing key today <mirai>sarg: I don't see how patches from companies and AI are comparable <mirai>if the patches are free software, why should their provenance matter? <mirai>I should add “and are understandable/meaningful” to the above <pastor>Hi, is there anyone attending to the "London Guix Meetup" online? <reedm>Hi #Guix! Can anyone point me to a good, up-to-date resource on "guix deploy"? I've read all of the official documentation (I think), and I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around the workflow. <zamfofex>I feel like whether ML AI patches should be accepted ought to depend on the quality of those patches! Maybe human‐reviewed AI‐assisted patches could be acceptable, I feel. It’s not like the concept of “a machine produces patches, and a human reviews and corrects it” is a foreign concept (see ‘guix import’), it’s just that the program generating them would be based on ML rather than human‐written heuristics. <zamfofex>reedm: Do you have some specific question? <msavoritias>zamfofex: the problem is that having a sign AI - whatever that means - patches opens the floudgates for so much spam and low quality patches <zamfofex>I was thinking mostly about the use case of a complex package being written by an AI by request, and then reviewed and modified by a person before being sent to the mailing lists. <mirai>msavoritias: for starters, this 'AI' thing would need to come up with non-trivial patches that actually do something of interest <msavoritias>true that too. with the quality of current LLMs i doubt you could get anything useful <mirai>second, I doubt this is going to be fully automated, i.e. someone is still going to mail them to the lists <reedm>zamfofex: I'm mostly trying to figure out how to get started. My specific use-case in the short term would be to manage the configuration of a couple laptops and a small homelab. In the end, I'd love to have my homelab running some ML hobby projects in a highly reproducible way (i.e. MLOps workflows configured with Guix?) <reedm>zamfofex: I guess to be very specific, suppose I have two laptops on the same LAN. What is the minimum setup for configuring one from the other? Does the configurer just need the ip-address of the configuree? <zamfofex>I see. Well, having never used ‘guix deploy’ before, the documentation seemed clear enough to me. You specify a set of machines (by their SSH port and their addresses, IP or domain) and an OS record for them. Then Guix will reconfigure the machines with the given OS record. <lalebarde>Hi, I have just installed ungoogled-chromium, but it seems that no simlink has been created as expected. The executable is here `/gnu/store/if1ygcvhngi7cang53sq2zs6w3azi140-ungoogled-chromium-112.0.5615.165-1/bin/chromium` but `which chromium` returns nothing. The install finished ok. What may happen please? <zamfofex>reedm: You need the machines you want to deploy to to have SSH running, and also do the ‘guix archive --authorize’ step from the docs. <zamfofex>lalebarde: Close your terminal window and open a new one. <nckx>lalebarde: Is ~/.guix-profile/bin not in your PATH? <zamfofex>Here’s a foundational question: What command did you type to install it? I assume ‘guix install’, but I want to make sure. <nckx>Also, lalebarde: In which directory did you confirm the missing symlink? That's the real problem. <nckx>Then zamfofex's question is even pertinenter. <reedm>zamfofex: that makes sense. For the example in the Manual for "guix deploy", the file-systems declaration looks very different from my config.scm. In particular, my config.scm was automatically populated with device uuid's. Does the configurer machine need to know the uuid of the configuree? <lalebarde>nckx : not sure to understand your question, `which chromium` should return a path where the simlink is and I have no one. Is it correct? <zamfofex>lalebarde: What command did you run to install it? <lalebarde>zamfofex nckx I was deconnected, not sure I had your last messages <nckx>lalebarde: All I know is that you said no symlink was created. If ~/.guix-profile/bin exists, there really should be a chromium or ungoogled-chromium symlink there if you ran 'guix install ungoogled-chromium'. If not, does 'guix package -I ungoogled' show the package? <nckx>lalebarde: You missed nothing, but you can check logs.guix.gnu.org in such cases. <nckx>That's an uppercase i in -I, for --list-installed. I saved precious time by not having to type --list-installed. <lalebarde>nckx I installed from root and it is in `~/.guix-profile/bin/` and `which chromium` returns this path. But as a simple user, it does not. <nckx>Install it as that user. <nckx>Not root. Package installations aren't global across users. <nckx>I recommend (strongly) against running Chromium as root so 'sudo guix install ungoogled-chromium' is nonsensical. <lalebarde>nckx ok, so it was a misunderstanding of mine. I thought package installation via root was global for all users <nckx>Packages added to the packages field of your operating-system are though, if you use Guix System. <lalebarde>If they are declared in the Guix config file isn't it? <nckx>Drawback is you'll have to upgrade your whole o-s when there's a Chromium update. This may or may not slow down important security fixes, depending on how heavyweight your o-s is. <nckx>operating-system definition = the configuration file passed to 'guix system reconfigure'. <nckx>ACTION uninstalls ungoogled-chromium before anyone sees it. <nckx>So just to reiterate: 'guix pull', 'guix package' (including the 'guix install', 'guix remove', and other aliases) are per-user, so don't use sudo if you're not actually pretending to be root. 'guix system foo' is not, and must generally be run as root. <nckx>lalebarde: I have a public anti-Google facade to uphold. <mirai>what's up with CI showing 'x'/failure <nckx>If you mean on c-u, that means the evaluation itself failed. <nckx>Sadly I don't think that's publicly logged... <theotherone>Hello :) Is anybody using swaylock as a screenlocker? I am not able to unlock the screen eventhough I type in the correct password. From what I got online it seems to be an issue with pam. Do I need to install additional pam configurations for this to work? Any tips would be greatly appreciated :) <nckx>pam_authenticate failed: invalid credentials ? <theotherone>Not sure, is there a log for that? The interface says "wrong" but the password is definitely correct. <dariqq>theotherone: i configured swaylock screen-locker-service-type. <theotherone>dariqq: Oh, there is a service for that? I'll have to look in the manual then :) <nckx>theotherone: I redirected stdout/err to a file. The symptom is the same, it keeps saying 'wrong', even with a password of 'x'. <theotherone>nckx: I also get pam_authenticate failed: invalid credentials <nckx>This is a regression (it used to work without any extra configuration) but I've never used the service. If it helps, great, but I don't see why we'd need a service. <theotherone>I tried it both with swaylock and swaylock-effects :( <dariqq>theotherone: Also the cookbook has something on the service <nckx>theotherone: There's a note on swaylock in the manual. <nckx>In the poorly-named 'X Window' section. <nckx>I did indeed make it setuid first and boy did it not like that. <dariqq>nckx: If this is indeed a regression than it has been there since at least july (when i was setting up my guix) <theotherone>I copied the snippet from the manual into my configuration but swaylock is not defined. Do you know which module one has to import for that? Still a bit confused where I would look for that... <dariqq>guix search says it is in gnu packages wm. <theotherone>Ah, the location field in the search output is also the module path! Good to know :) <nckx>dariqq: Oh yes, it's easily been 2 years since I've last invoked swaylock. 'Using Dvorak' is unbreakable encryption 'round these parts. <theotherone>The snippet from the manual did the trick. Now its working. Thanks dariqq nckx :) <nckx>I just invoke swaylock -C ... from a keybinding, no service, and it used to work. <theotherone>theesm: Yeah, that's the one. Kinda confusing that this service is necessary for swaylock to function. <nckx>My guess is it used to rely on being setuid and now it does the 'right' PAM thing which requires more set-up. <lechner->Hi, what is "system profile" in the source tree please? <nckx>I don't know to what you're referring by 'source tree' but I would assume /run/current-system/profile . <dariqq>is it possible that there is currently a world rebuild on master (4bf4e340b7)? <nckx> /var/guix/gcroots/profiles/system which points to a versioned link whicw points to the store item. Which is the same store item as my previous answer in most cases, but it's persistent, whilst /run is set up during system boot. <dariqq>ok nvm i think i messed something up. <lechner->ACTION has world-rebuilds locally all the time <afm-victoria>Anybody here know how to change the language settings for Info? When I type `info guix` I get the Spanish manual. I can link into the French language link, and then from there I can link into the English version, so I know I have the files for the English version. I want to read these as the default. Any suggestions? <lechner->afm-victoria / i might try changing the 'locale' <lechner->depending on your shell, you may be able to change it for one command with something like $ LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" info <theotherone>another wayland desktop related question: is swayidle supported? I downloaded the package but when I run swayidle I get "[Line 1074] Display doesn't support idle protocol". Is that an incompatibility or just some misconfiguration? <tex_milan>theotherone: I am on Wayland and Sway and it says: [Line 1109] No command specified! Nothing to do, will exit. No idea what swayidle is supposed to do though, I am not that far yet. <afm-victoria>lechner-: I tried to set that variable but `info guix` still comes back in Spanish. <afm-victoria>I think it is something Guix does when it installs/updates <theotherone>tex_milan: swayidle needs a configuration file in order to work. You can specify what it is supposed to do on specific system events, e.g. turn monitor off after x minutes, sleep after y minutes etc. <tex_milan>theotherone: I see, I tried and it worked, ie. did not complain. <dariqq>It is jsut that the pre-inst-env wants to rebuild everything. Normal guix is fine. <theotherone>tex_milan: Hmm, I am using Hyprland from a non-official repository (codeberg.org/hako/Rosenthal). Are you using wayland specific configuration in your system configuration. Maybe I am missing some service... <lechner->dariqq / did you make a local change that triggered the bootstrap? <dariqq>lechner: no , i even just did a hard reset to origin masterand recompiled <lechner->dariqq / that does not sound right, but i'll let someone else chime in <afm-victoria>lechner-: interestingly, when I do `info` in Emacs, there are no Guix nodes. This seems to suggest that Emacs is filtering using a localization variable of some sort and doesn't find the Guix English manual <dariqq>mm, ill try a complete recompile of my local guix <tex_milan>theotherone: used exactly that one too :) But I didn't like that much animated UI and went to sway directly from guix repository. <tex_milan> theotherone: (modify-services %desktop-services (delete gdm-service-type) ..... and I am using sddm: (service sddm-service-type (sddm-configuration (display-server "wayland"))) <jeremyc>during a guix pull just now, I am getting `(exception unbound-variable (value #f) (value "Unbound variable: ~S") (value (linux-libre-6.5)) (value #f))`, any thoughts on what this may mean and how to fix it? <dariqq>recompiling the complete guix fixed this <civodul>efraim: for reasons that escape me, 911c3deb4080306ea909081bc00c3485fd6caed2 is apparently a world-rebuild change <civodul>(gnu packages bootstrap) needed to be recompiled to adjust to the new <platform> layout <dariqq>civodul: had that earlier on my local guix. Recompiling everything fixed that. <civodul>it’s weird that the ABI thing didn’t detect it <civodul>janneke: do you know if all the #:parallel-build? #f in commencement.scm are justified or if we could drop some of them? <civodul>that could make a significant difference for build times <jackhill>civodul: thanks for reviewing and committing pdfarranger! <theotherone>Hey, quick question regarding gtk themes: how can I enable them? I installed one I like (materia-theme) but am unsure how to enable it. I am on wayland. Any help is appreaciated :) 