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<mirai>shared-mime-info isn't one of them though you'd be missing a lot of support for the newer file formats since their mime types will remain unknown
<jpoiret>That's a world rebuild, yeah
<jpoiret>I guess that's for after the merge
<jpoiret>When we get more focused branches
<mirai>though to upgrade shared-mime-info you will really want to integrate docbook-xml changes
<mirai>since it fails to build otherwise
<jpoiret>yeah, that's too much work for now
<mirai>are the builds already going?
<jpoiret>We've neen working on the branch for a month
<jpoiret>We can't just keep pushing the goalpost further by adding new changes
<jpoiret>All the core-updates changes since last month have been to fix stuff on the branch not add new things
<mirai>is it fair for changes that do not update a package then?
<mirai>as in, they fix existing ones
<jpoiret>Well, that's less clear, but from what i've seen, the policy is: if it's not a regression from master, we don't care
<jpoiret>But that's just while the branch is getting sorted out and then merged
<mirai>I've been wondering what to do with <>
<mirai>if it's unsuited for the nearest core-updates window, then... what happens next
<jpoiret>Hum yes, this patch series looks quite good
<jpoiret>You should just keep it around until after the merge and bring it up again
<mirai>sneek later ask lfam What's halting <> from getting merged?
<mirai>sneek: later tell lfam it might perhaps require a G-Exp restyling
<sneek>Will do.
<quidnunc>I installed guix 1.4.0 on Ubuntu Lunar via apt. When I install a package it doesn't show up in the bin directory of my profile. Does anyone know what I can do to debug? I'm at a loss.
<bumble[m]>would someone tell me what I am doing wrong? I tried to make a package that "installs" a local bash script. The install process completes, but command isn't found afterward
<bumble[m]>"cactus file manager" requires an env var $OPENER to be defined for openeing files. My goal is to make the bash script available as an executable to be used for this purpose
<AgentKilo[m]>bumble深く傷を: include a `#:install-plan` argument in the package definition? As per
<mvnx>bumble[m]: I tested it out and it does install it, but it loses it's permissions. Not sure if that can be defined within an install-plan though.
<bumble[m]>@Agent Kilo @mvnx thanks for helping me. I will look at #:install-plan and maybe `#:recursive? #t` for the local-file call...
<bumble[m]>I don't know how to determine for myself if it was installed
<bumble[m]>command not found when I try to use it
<bjc>‘guix build $package’ will print out the path to the package in the store
<bjc>so, for instance, ‘ls -l $(guix build foo)’ will allow you to look at what was copied in
<mitchell>Hi guix, what do you think about adding some code to the gnu-build-system which adds inputs inputs to native-inputs when cross compiling to help pkg-config and friends pass configuration. It is always hit or miss whether configure will succeed when cross compiling
<bumble[m]>@bjc thank you guix build openersh shows package not found, but guix package --list-installed lists the package
<PotentialBear-61>Hi, does anyone know how I can specify build flags (eg march, O3)?
<iyzsong>michaelll: when cross-compile, build tools needed to to native-inputs, but libraries needed to be in the target arch.
<iyzsong>PotentialBear-61: that depends on the build tools used (make, cmake, etc), usually via modify configure-flags or 'CFLAGS' in the package definition.
<PotentialBear-61>iyzsong: so I want to apply this to packages like GAP. is there a way to add it to an existing package?
<mitchell>iyzsong: I know this. What i'm refering to is when cross compiling the configure script looks for dependencies using the host tools which it fails do to the fact the cross toolchain uses different environment variables. To fix this you need to add the inputs in question to the native inputs to make the configure script happy
<iyzsong>mitchell: that's sounds like the configure script should be fixed to check target dependencies instead of host ones..
<mvnx>bumble[m]: If you `find /gnu/store -type f -name` you will find it.
<bumble[m]>@mvnx thank you it is appearing in the output of that command
<bumble[m]>strangely there are and one of them is exectuable... the package was updated to use "#:recursive? #t" with local-file and "install-plan" as recommended by @Agent Kilo perhaps that is why
<mvnx>What list of `source target [filters]` did you use for `#:install-plan`?
<bumble[m]>the file updated version is here
<bjc>bumble[m]: this is just a guess, but you might want to try installing into "/bin/"
<bjc>(as the final argument to the string-append, that is)
<iyzsong>PotentialBear-61: that need look into its (GAP) build scripts and find where to pass CFLAGS. Also the next step is to make it tunable so that other can easily benifits, usecase:
<bumble[m]>though the command script is found in /gnu/store it only runs if the full path is used to call it, otherwise command not found
<bjc>yeah, that sounds like it needs to be in a ‘bin’ directory so it can be added to the right place in your profile
<bumble[m]>@bjc if the string-append is updated to use "/bin/" the install fails file or directory not found... I'll try updating the install-plan to use ./bin/ as the destination
<bjc>ah, right, sorry. had a wee brain fart. the install plan is the correct place to edit it
<bumble[m]>@bjc that worked!
<mvnx>It worked in that it installed to the bin directory but still not on my path - is it on yours?
<bumble[m]>@Agent Kilo @mvnx @bjc thank you :) @mvnx yes it is on my path
<mvnx>From your most recent paste, all you changed was the 2nd arg (target) for install-plan to "/bin"?
<mvnx>`"./bin"` *
<bumble[m]>@mvnx this was the final version that succeeded
<mvnx>Thanks! Glad you got it solved. I was going to need to get to something like this eventually too
<bumble[m]>Thank you
<bumble[m]>cactus file manager working 😃
<PotentialBear-61>Is there a way to install sagemath on guix?
<apteryx>not yet
<apteryx>(no package)
<jgart[m]>Walmart <3 GNU Texinfo
<apteryx>haha, unexpected
<jpoiret>bumble[m]: as a side note if you're only adding a file like this, you don't really need a full package declaration, (local-file) is enough
<bumble[m]>okay thanks I will use local-file from now probably
<etienne_>Morning everyone! Can we specify a set of channels per profiles?
<civodul>etienne_: hi! the set of channels can be per-user, with the ~/.config/guix/channels.scm file
<civodul>or you can specify a channel file, as in "guix pull -C my-channels.scm"
<etienne_>Thanks! A clarifying question: I basically want to constrain guix install to only sift through specific channels, and thought of using profiles. Is that the best way to do that?
<civodul>channels specify what "guix pull" (or "guix time-machine") fetches
<civodul>then "guix install" uses them
<civodul>so you could provide ~/.config/guix/channels.scm or /etc/guix/channels.scm so that any "guix pull" gets precisely those channels
<civodul>yw :-)
<jpoiret>civodul: do you know what package provides ldd?
<rekado>jpoiret: glibc, no?
<jpoiret>ah, thanks :)
<jpoiret>i wonder how we're going to get that zig sigsegv resolved
<jpoiret>the binary seems to fault on libc's getenv, called in LLVM's init during dynamic linkage
<civodul>jpoiret: sounds like an interesting puzzle :-)
<civodul>jpoiret: ldd is a mere shell script that sets LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=yep
<nom[m]1>is it possible to symlink a writable config file with home-files-service-type
<jpoiret>civodul: TIL
<mirai>jpoiret: I recall you saying that you didn't like the record inherit thing (or something similar?)
<jpoiret>I often just use LD_DEBUG=, it's quite useful
<jpoiret>mirai: It's not ringing a bell, but I'm not saying I haven't had some hot takes
<jpoiret>inherit is bad when combined with inter-field references
<mirai>what alternatives do you have in mind? or what makes it “bad”
<jpoiret>i don't think there are direct alternatives in Guile (except maybe GOOPS but I don't like it either :p)
<jpoiret>but in general i've been happily using it, you just have to keep the caveats in mind
<mirai>oh, the alternative doesn't have to exist yet, but what other abstract mechanism were you considering
<jpoiret>oh, and yeah when you inherit a package you break guix refresh :)
<jpoiret>but that's more Guix's fault I would say
<jpoiret>records are fine, but I guess the semantics of field references inside other fields could take inheritance into account
<jpoiret>that would make it more natural i guess
<civodul>jpoiret: re inter-field references, there's 'this-package'
<jpoiret>but really I do think they are fine as they are now, especially in a language like Guile
<civodul>but yeah, inheritance
<jpoiret>civodul: right, but that's what I meant, as long as you know the pitfalls it's fine, but it's still unclear in the beginning
<civodul>oh actually it was already here hmm
<civodul>oh well
<jpoiret>could it be called 👀-bot? or would IRC disallow UTF-8 names?
<jpoiret>ah, that's in IRCv3 apparently
<apteryx>arg, I keep hitting: 'error: rust-cargo-lock-8: unbound variable' on staging, even after make- clean-go
<apteryx>it's nowhere to be seen in the code, AFAIK
<apteryx>it manifests itself when I run 'guix refresh something'
<apteryx>seems some local caching problem
<apteryx>works on a 2nd machine
<mirai>is 'spawn' unavailable within guix?
<mvnx>Is it normal that user `herd status` only outputs `error: connect: /run/user/1000/shepherd/socket: No such file or directory`?
<mvnx>I understand I can use `sudo herd status` to see system statuses.
<mirai>mvnx: if you have no user shepherd running yes
<mirai>home-service that is
<PotentialUser-12>Hello. I can't find in the Guix documentation if it honors the "no_proxy" variable ? I have found various places where it's said that guix-daemon would honor the HTTP_PROXY and HTTPS_PROXY env variables, but nothing about NO_PROXY. Does someone know if that's the case ?
<mvnx>mirai: I guess I thought it would have come with initial Guix home setup. I added it manually and then it complains because no `/run/user/1000/shepherd` which was some on-first-login error about /var/run I keep getting when I sign in - which I also thought the initial home manager config would set up.
<apteryx>shouldn't it be possible to call a procedure like: #$(version-major+minor (package-version cmake)) inside a phase (which is inside a gexp) ?
<apteryx>I get: error: verson-major+minor: unbound variable, although the top level module has #:use-module (guix utils)
<apteryx>it was a let form error
<apteryx>weird error misreporting
<jpoiret>mirai: I think guix uses guile 3.0.8
<jpoiret>TIL about `(pixel-scroll-precision-mode)`
<jpoiret>civodul: do you still want to organize a core-updates hackathon?
<jpoiret>I could try to coordinate this (with Andreas if he's available) if that's a problem. The question would be when mostly
<jpoiret>advertising it in advance on guix-devel is probably essential
<jpoiret>(yes I want to avoid dealing with the zig segfault issue myself, why do you ask?)
<mirai>I see some gnu/packages/linux.scm comments with ";; XXX TODO: Replace with simply #$OUTPUT on core-updates."
<nalaginrut>hi folks! I want to install minetest in gnu/packages/minetest.scm, not in gnu/packages/games.scm, how should I do?
<jpoiret>I don't see any minetest in gnu/packages/games.scm?
<nalaginrut> exists in my machine, and there're two minetest in different scm file
<nalaginrut>maybe I should reinstall guix, how can I remove the old version completely/
<jpoiret>they appear when you do `guix show`?
<jpoiret>what's your `guix describe`?
<nalaginrut> guix a0178d3
<nalaginrut> repository URL:
<nalaginrut> branch: master
<nalaginrut> commit: a0178d34f582b50e9bdbb0403943129ae5b560ff
<jpoiret>this is v1.3, have you `guix pull`'d since?
<jpoiret>it is almost two years old at this point
<nalaginrut>I just pulled it
<nalaginrut>I think it's 1195615
<nalaginrut>seems there're two versions mixed somewhere
<nalaginrut>can I just install the latest binary to fix it?
<jpoiret>no, I just think you don't have `guix` setup correctly
<jpoiret>what's `command -v guix`?
<nalaginrut>oops, it should be ~/.config/guix/current/bin/guix
<nalaginrut>let me remove /usr/local/bin/guix
<jpoiret>no please don't
<jpoiret>you should be sourcing `~/.config/guix/current/etc/profile` inside your .profile
<jpoiret>specifically, you should be doing `GUIX_PROFILE="~/.config/guix/current/"; . "$GUIX_PROFILE/etc/profile"; unset GUIX_PROFILE`
<jpoiret>then log-out and log-in
<jpoiret>how did you install Guix? through debian?
<nalaginrut>I installed via binary
<nalaginrut>I didn't use guixSD, I installed guix with the binary under debian
<jpoiret>yes, I don't really get why it wouldn't just work out of the box then, but alas
<jpoiret>do you have a file in /etc/profile.d/ related to guix?
<jpoiret>it should be zzz-somethingsomething
<nalaginrut>I think it's because the path to guix, now it seems back to the correct version
<nalaginrut>I'm pulling
<jpoiret>this is getting ridiculous, how much space do i need to build my whole usual manifest? I had 33G free this morning and now i'm getting ENOSPACE
<apteryx>sounds about tight for chromium? haha
<apteryx>just unpacking its source consumes like 4 GiB... likewise for icecat.
<mvnx>Not really a Guix-specific question but does anyone have good resources on the login process? I'm getting confused because the Arch doc for 'getty' suggests that agetty and mingetty are alternatives to each other but Guix includes both in `%base-services`. Then now is my first time trying to use a Wayland compositor and I'm reading it requires elogind instead of the base login. So I recognize a knowledge gap.
<jpoiret>mvnx: agetty and mingetty don't run on the same ttys
<jpoiret>basically, you could run agetty on tty1 and mingetty on tty2
<jpoiret>also, elogind is orthogonal to those: it manages who's logged in, and not necessarily through a tty. It relies on PAM to tell it who logged in and where, and then sets some env variables depending on it
<jpoiret>and guix does use elogind
<jpoiret>it's in %desktop-services though
<mvnx>Ah that's why I didn't see it yet. I noticed no loginctl
<jpoiret>you don't "need" elogind but it's useful to manage seats, permissions for different devices on your system when you're logged in, and some apps rely on it
<jpoiret>for example i'm not sure dbus/polkit (maybe just polkit) would work without elogind
<jpoiret>note that elogind was a part of systemd, but some people forked only that part to avoid having to rely on the whole systemd stack (and by some people I mean initially Guix and now Gentoo)
<jpoiret>apteryx: looks like qt 6 is the biggest culprit
<apteryx>which part of it?
<apteryx>that's chromium
<apteryx>or do you mean just the size it takes in the /gnu/store?
<apteryx>probably the debug symbols then
<apteryx>for the grafts bug/behavior
<gnucode>hey guix friends!
<sneek>Welcome back gnucode, you have 1 message!
<sneek>gnucode, dthompson says: wow, neat! glad haunt works on openbsd. thanks for the report!
<gnucode>I wonder if guix the package manager would work on chimera linux.
<gnucode>chimera uses the linux kernel with a FreeBSD userland.
<mvnx>jpoiret: Thanks. But why would I want both agetty and mingetty then?
<jpoiret>so idea but I guess mingetty is very minimal and doesn't support all possible configurations, so agetty is there to autostart for serial lines?
<mvnx>Ah OK thanks a lot.
<jpoiret>I'm too tired and am forgetting to type half of my sentences: "so i have no definitive answer but my idea is that ..."
<gnucode>does guix have qt5.15.2 packaged?
<gnucode>or anywhere near that version?
<gnucode>I would check my own guix install...actually I can. my servers still run guix.
<gnucode>sweet qtbase is packaged at version 5.15.5. Pretty close!
<apteryx>it's at 5.15.8 on staging and core-updates
<apteryx>which is compatible anyway
<unmatched-paren>hello guix
<mirai>do home services run only if the user is logged in?
<mirai>or is it like the "persist" option with loginctl
<mirai>where the user daemons will always run regardless of login
<unmatched-paren>mirai: i *think* they run forever
<unmatched-paren>not certain though
<mirai>but do they launch without interaction as well?
<jpoiret>oh hell no qtbase 6 just failed during tests
<mvnx>What's the difference between `login-service-type` and `elogind-service-type` other than of course using elogind instead of login(1). Or maybe I'm just asking the difference between them... elogind just adds the concept of sessions/seats that some DMs need and some handy commands/policies to allow system shutdown/reboot?
<mvnx>Hmm I guess that was already covered in an answer above.
<mvnx>I'll just tinker and fail and see for myself - probably easiest here. Ignore thanks
<gnucode>mvnx: I had a guix config that uses seatd if you are interested.
<gnucode>it's an alternative to elogind
<f1refly>when exploring fontawesome, I noticed that a bunch of icons of the "regular" sort aren't available in the guix fontawesome package - is there a way to see what icons are available in the guix package when browsing the website?
<f1refly>oh, I think it's just the version, right? we have 4.7 in the repo and the website defaults to 6.something
<mvnx>gnucode: Sure, I'll have a look. I think I need to take time to break down the full process of logging in and where all these different programs come in. Particularly greetd which claims to be a replacement for both agetty and login so I guess some cross multiple layers. I've never done a linux from scratch or anything - not even sure if it would be covered in that
<mvnx>Why did you choose seatd over elogind? Just curious
<gnucode>seatd is much smaller.
<gnucode>and elogind is brutally pulled out of systemd. It is hard to update.
<gnucode>seatd is also much simplier.
<gnucode>mvnx: please bear in mind that you cannot use network-manager with seatd
<mvnx>All good to know thanks. Nice to see another more advanced config - some good stuff in here
<gnucode>mvnx: A good portion of that config is borrowed. :)
<mvnx>Aren't they all? :P
<mvnx>So what do you use in place of network-manager?
<mvnx>And what is the underlying limitation?
<mvnx>I mean what blocks it from being used? Is that something that could be fixed?
<gnucode>mvnx: well I actually couldn't get the other wifi managers to work. So I just started using dhcp...and now I switched to OpenBSD...
<gnucode>and I wish OpenBSD had a config.scm...
<mvnx>I understand. Yeah, it's (config.scm, configuration.nix) a game changer.
<jpoiret>mvnx: some people here use wpa_supplicant directly
<gnucode>mvnx: You could set up a iwd service...
<apteryx>would be interesting to understand why asio fails to resolve even in the Guix build container:
<apteryx>it may get rid of a good class of network-related test suite failures
<mvnx>I'm not sure what is blocking network-manager from being used with seatd but maybe it would work with iwd as the backend
<f1refly>Apparently someone updated font-awesome to 5.7 before:
<f1refly>but the current version in guix is 4.7, what's up with that?
<ngz>f1refly: I think there is licensing issue.
<f1refly>ah, the build system is nonfree
<f1refly>it was reverted in a later ticket i think
<apteryx>interesting; 'M-x woman getaddrinfo' crashed my emacs
<kimjetwav>apteryx: Just once or was it repeatable?
<Michal_Atlas[m]>Good evening, how would one go about allowing derivations in a config? I'm writing a dconf service and would like to allow url-fetch or local-file, however I'm really not sure how to approach it, and reading through other guix files and the manual hasn't helped much. I'm not sure if it's supposed to magically get handled by #$ or if I directly play with monads like the home service does?
<mirai>Michal_Atlas[m]: you'd be surprised to hear that there's already a dconf service
<mirai>it's just: a) not documented, b) would benefit from an audit/cleanup
<podiki[m]>should we be defaulting to pyproject-build-system over python-build-system?
<Michal_Atlas[m]>I see, thanks
<podiki[m]>and is the error for tests failing "error: in phase 'check': uncaught exception:
<podiki[m]>%exception #<&test-system-not-found> " familiar for pyproject-build-system?
<podiki[m]>ah, from reading pyproject-build-system either there is a missing input to run tests or package may not have them
<pharcosyle>Does anyone know how to create a release tarball of gcc? I'm experimenting with changing the default gcc to 13 but since it isn't released there's no available tarball I have to make it myself. There's some instructions online but they're all different, I want to know what the "official" make commands / flags / whatever are to go from a source
<pharcosyle>checkout of gcc to the release version which the Guix bootstrap expects.
<quidnunc>I'm trying to install emacs-next-pgtk. I see here that it appears to have a substitute built for the latest version. When I do guix install it says it needs to download 200MB+ of packages so I assume it is trying to build from source. Why isn't it using the substitute?
<quidnunc>Or how do I know whether it is using the substitute?
<pharcosyle>guix weather
<pharcosyle>* Run `guix weather emacs-next-pgtk`
<pharcosyle>It looks like a substitute isn't available for emacs-next-pgtk and none is queued. I guess the build farm isn't building one, perhaps it's a transient problem but in any case you're stuck building from source
<podiki[m]>lechner: I see an update to x-net (for go), is there a reason for 0.5.0 instead of the latest (0.8.0 I think)? I'm not up on go stuff at all (i have a local package that depends on it)
<podiki[m]>lechner: as in I see you made the patch, thought you may know the go versioning :)
<podiki[m]>lechner: ah, it was from an older series and I guess was the version from there originally.
<jgart[m]>hi, should these be macros?
<apteryx>kimjetwav: it was a one time thing
<apteryx>I can't crash it again with that
<kimjetwav>apteryx: Ahh, curious.
<apteryx>was --expose=/etc in 'guix shell -C' now supposed to work?
<apteryx>I get: guix shell: error: mkstemp: Read-only file system
<the_tubular>Is there a way to use guix to download text files ? And drop them somewhere specific on the FS ?
<the_tubular>Apart from skipping the build system phase
<civodul>Hello Guix!
<next4th>hello civodul :)
<ryuslash>hello civodul \o
<devmsv>Hi! how can I copy a file to etc with different owner and permissions than the defaults? I have try [..]etc-service[...](local-file "file" #:recursive? #t) with file having different owner and 0600 perm but still gets installed in the store as 444
<devmsv>I have try to use comptued-file with I can wrap my head around gexp currently
<devmsv>I was thinking of using a activation-service but don't know if there is something simpler
<ryuslash>devmsv: It may not be the best way to do it, but essentially I made a custom file function that ensures a file is executable:
<devmsv>ryulash: thanks. I will see if I can do something similar
<bumble[m]>I did not guix install bash-completion but when I press <tab> my bash utterances are completed in the shell for me. How is this possible?
<jpoiret>devmsv: in the store it will always end up as 444, there's no way around this
<devmsv>civodul: The first time I booted guix that error message was weird. After that first time it was fun to see it.
<next4th>lol fun story
<Rampoina>are there any dotnet applications packaged in guix?
<next4th>Rampoina: none, even mono not packaged.
<Rampoina>is there any reason (like licenses or so on) or just nobody willing to go through dotnet packaging hell?
<next4th>I just find this, mono was removed due to prebuilt binaries:
<ngraves>Hi ! I'm struggling with a unbound variable errors in a package definition which imports the right modules. It's here : Thanks if you can help ;)
<Rampoina>next4th: oof, that's unfortunate
<civodul>devmsv: so hopefully you'll enjoy the new service
<jpoiret>ngraves: there's probably a module import cycle somewher
<jpoiret>somewhere *
<ngraves>jpoiret: How would you fix this? Is there a resource / manual page explaining how to tackle this?
<jpoiret>but as civodul said one important thing to do is to always inherit packages in the same module
<jlicht>what are the hardware specs of our armhf build nodes?
<cbaines>at least for the bordeaux build farm, but armhf builds take place on the aarch64 hardware
<cbaines>so either a Honeycomb LX2 or an Overdrive 1000
<jlicht>is there some kind of RAM usage limitation in the configuration or setting the armhf builds run in?
<cbaines>nope, other than the limitations of running 32bit stuff
<uniavix>Can someone help me installing sof-firmware?
<uniavix>And linux-firmware?
<uniavix>I added the nonguix channel but then I don't know how to get it from there.
<oriansj>uniavix: we don't discuss that here, you may wish to try the IRC channel dedicated to that
<uniavix>oriansj: how can I install everything from source without substitutes?
<uniavix>oriansj: found the #nonguix channel. Thanks!
<n9>Hello, everyone. I am not sure if it's right channel to ask, but I have a problem with ssl certs for irc: (default) warning Could not verify TLS servers certificate: unable to get local issuer certificate
<n9>I am having that problem only on Guix "bare bones".
<devmsv>n9: do you have "nss-certs" package installed on config.scm?
<devmsv>well I have taken a look at how Guix populates files like sudoers which has restricted reading permissions and I still can wrap my head around it
<rekahsoft>Hi folks! 👋
<n9>devmsv: wait few mins please, i have emergency
<rekahsoft>Hi folks! I have been using 'guix deploy' for all of my local vms for some time now (about 14 vm's total). I've noticed that frequently I have issues where the deploy fails part way through due to "[GSSH ERROR] Parent session is not connected: #<unknown channel (freed) ...>". A couple of retries will result in a successful deploy, however this is blocking me from automating it (as I would prefer if 'guix deploy' ex
<rekahsoft>sting with an error would mean the deploy actually failed). Any ideas on what could be causing this lack of reliability when using 'guix deploy'?
<rekahsoft>(sorry if I double posted the above (had an issue on my end and wasn't sure if it was sent or not))
<n9>devmsv: No, I don't have it on the config.scm, but I installed it using 'guix install nss-certs', it's incorrect?
<devmsv>n9: yes, most applications expect certificates on /etc/ssl if you install nss-certs on your profile it is actually inside your profile folder
<n9>Can you please tell me how to add it to my config or send link where I can read?
<devmsv>you can do this: to recover normal operation and do a guix reconfigure
<devmsv>n9: are you using guix system?
<n9>Just switched to Guix today.
<devmsv>here you have examples of config.scm
<n9>Thank you!
<devmsv>no porblem, we are here to help and be helped
<n9>Tried it yesterday on my laptop, installed to second computer, and now installing to my main computer!
<n9>Also want to test it on my server.
<n9>devmsv: Are you using guix system?
<devmsv>yes. on my laptop and pending reinstall to my personal server
<n9>devmsv: And how do you like it?
<ekaitz>hi guix! since a recent update Dino does not render in dark mode but all the rest of the gnome apps I have do, any idea why this happens? is it a problem with dino specifically?
<n9>ekaitz: Jabber client?
<n9>Solution is simple, use profanity!
<n9>I had so much troubles with Dino
<n9>ekaitz: It worked before update?
<ekaitz>n9: sure! it was working alright!
<ekaitz> they mention this
<ekaitz>but it doesn't change anything
<n9>Have you checked logs?
<ekaitz>n9: yes
<ekaitz>(dino:2944): Adwaita-WARNING **: 17:11:10.548: Using GtkSettings:gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme with libadwaita is unsupported. Please use AdwStyleManager:color-scheme instead.
<n9>Well I guess it tells you what to do. Can you use that instead?
<ekaitz>but how do I set that?
<ekaitz>and also, why does evince show in dark mode too, even if it does show the same error?
<n9>I think it can help, but I can be wrong.
<n9>ekaitz: Oh, interesting.
<n9>ekaitz: Maybe a bug of new dino?
<ekaitz>n9: i don't know, maybe it's something with gtk4?
<ekaitz>also there are some (minor) rendering issues under i3
<itd>ekaitz: How did you configure the dark mode?
<ekaitz>in the gnome configuration screen
<n9>ekaitz: did you set dark mode in Dino settings? If it's there.
<ekaitz>dino doesn't have that setting
<n9>Just install gajim or profanity, and enjoy! All I can suggest, sorry.
<itd>ekaitz: I'm (not using gnome and) exporting GTK_THEME=Adwaita:dark; that seems to work here.
<ekaitz>itd: let me try that!
<ekaitz>itd: that works, but there must be a way to keep that set in gnome config
<itd>ekaitz: Glad to hear it. Can't help you with gnome, sorry. (Could you please describe your rendering issues?)
<ekaitz>itd: looks like what I had to do was to set .config/gtk-4.0/settings.ini and set Adwaita-dark there
<ekaitz>the prefers-color-scheme doesn't work but the other key does
<itd>Nice. Thanks for sharing. :)
<ekaitz>oh maybe it doesn't lol
<mirai>what keywords do the lambda procedures accept for package phases
<PotentialUser-76>Does anyone know a workaround for restoring the keyboard/mouse after a suspend in GNOME.
<mirai>Can the service-type name appear more than once in a system declaration?
<civodul>mirai: hello! the 'name' field is purely informational, it doesn't have any semantic role
<mirai>civodul: thanks
<mirai>civodul: What's the actual behavior of #:pid-file in make-forkexec-constructor ?
<mirai>The shepherd manual says: When pid-file is true, it must be the name of a PID file associated with the process being launched; the return value is the PID once that file has been created.
<mirai>so... #:pid-file "/run/" is bogus then?
<apteryx>haha, my rust-cargo-lock-8 problem was from a stray rust-xyz.scm file not checked in
<mirai>the constructors should be returning a string to a path?
<mirai>a path as a string***
<mirai>that's what I'm understanding from the description
<mirai>it would explain many of the strange issues with shepherd losing track of daemons
<apteryx>mirai: some services can produce a pid file, which helps the service manager (shepherd here) to know when the service is ready
<mirai>apteryx: yes, but the manual is saying that #:pid-file is actually boolean
<mirai>and the path to the pid-file is to be returned by the constructor
<apteryx>a string value is truthy
<apteryx>but that's strangely worded
<mirai>none of that is what happens within the existing forking services
<mirai>everyone puts the path in #:pid-file and leaves the constructor to return whatever
<apteryx>no, the path to the pid file is not expected to be returned by the constructuro
<apteryx>it just returns the PID value based on the docstring you copied above
<mirai>ok, nvm
<mirai>rereading that segment is confusing me even more
<civodul>in short, #:pid-file indicates the PID file produced by the daemon
<mirai>I've no idea what that _it_ refers to (a string value is considered "truthy", yes, but that's an extremely odd way to word it)
<mirai>right, so everything is working as intended then
<n9>Anyone knows how can I enable "Natural Scrolling"?
<n9>Ah! Done by: xinput set-prop "Wacom Intuos PT M Finger" "libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled" 1
<mirai>if a shepherd service B depends on service A, will B get terminated if service A crashes or if A gets restarted/stopped?
<bjc>if it crashes or is stopped manually: yes. i'm not sure about restart, but i suspect B will terminate and not start up again after A starts
<PotentialBear-86>Hi, so Im trying to get jupyterlab working. I didnt see a package for it in guix, so i installed the desktop application with flatpak. My question is then, where should I point the desktop app to find python?
<PotentialBear-86>Running 'which python' gives me a wild path into the store, that I assume is going to change when I update
<PotentialBear-86>Ah wait I see. I guess it exists, but in a different channel
<PotentialBear-86>Ah wait that channel is still free software. To anyone looking in the logs in the future: jupyter-lab can be found in the guix-science channel
<Guest19>Out of a sudden if I install packages, the output is to large to fit in my vterm window.  I use EXWM.  Therefore I can't see the whole line.  Some of the progress is cut.  Does someone else have that issue, too?
<kmarker>I am new to guix and need to add i8042.dumbkbd=1 to my grub but not sure how. I think it goes in config.scm?
<RavenJoad>I am trying to build a gexp in a Geiser REPL to verify my serializer's output. I have tried a (with-store s (run-with-store s (mixed-text-file "name" #~("thing")))), but it does not build. It just yields a #<<computed-file> ...>
<RavenJoad>What procedure takes a computed-file and builds it?
<mirai>,use (guix)
<mirai>,build <THE COMPUTED FILE HERE>
<RavenJoad>mirai: Thanks!
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>Hi...If i build something in Guix shell  via pre-inst-env (sway/wayland/mesa) do i have to make extra steps to install in my system?
<rekado>NewUser-Basic-Qu: anything you’ve built can be installed with “guix install /gnu/store/…” but for desktop things you’ll probably want to use package transformations to inject your variant into an existing package dependency graph
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>rekado  oki....let me quickly google some of the terms you dropped. :) ---package transformation and injections
<mekeor[m]>not sure why package transformations are needed here. what "variants" are we talking about?
<Guest19>I can only see my printer through the system dialog in Firefox.  How can I fix that to print from the dropdown menu.  Shows only "Save as PDF".
<podiki[m]>slime working for anyone currently? I get Cannot open load file: No such file or directory, ../lib/macrostep
<podiki[m]>can reproduce with guix shell --pure emacs emacs-slime -- emacs -Q as well
<Guest19>podiki[m] Running the command works for me without any errors
<Guest19>guix 306bd7b
<podiki[m]>running the command? in emacs have to evaluate (require 'slime) and then M-x slime if that's what you did then boo for me
<podiki[m]>(no error in just starting emacs, is specifically when trying to run slime)
<Guest19>Ah you didn't mentioned that.  Trying
<Guest19>Yes, now I get the same err msg
<podiki[m]>sorry and thanks
<podiki[m]>hrm hrm
<podiki[m]>perhaps time for more time-machine action to see when this started
<podiki[m]>ah the issue is slime needs macrostep (emacs-macrostep)
<podiki[m]>patch submitted, suppose I could just push it? anyway, i'll wait for QA at least, not sure the current expectations for a quick fix like this
<whereiseveryone>For anyone interested, Sunday Demo: Live Loading Common Lisp Systems with Guix
<apteryx>ACTION will merge staging into master in a bout
<apteryx>is there a way to filter for newly failed builds in cuirass?
<apteryx>podiki[m]: if there are not much rebuilds and you've tested that they don't break, and that the fix works, I'd say it's OK to push
<apteryx>*not many
<podiki[m]>I think it's just a handful of packages, should be quick enough to rebuild locally
<podiki[m]>Happen to have a handy one liner to take the refresh -l output into guix build? :)
<apteryx>it's not perfect, but often saves me a bunch of time
<apteryx>be sure to not get tricked by inherited packagaes, which wouldn't show as impacted
<podiki[m]>apteryx: how do you like to handle patches (say short series or one off) locally? do you use debbugs through emacs, git worktrees, directly from the QA branches? and then pushing (I assume cherry pick from the local branch)?
<podiki[m]>(I actually wanted to get some community knowledge on a guix-devel discussion, pick up some workflow tricks and tips)
<apteryx>podiki[m]: currently I apply stuff in Emacs Debbugs
<apteryx>I have two git worktrees tracking master, others for staging and core-updates
<podiki[m]>so you apply patches from debbugs directly to your master worktree?
<podiki[m]>oh you said 2, so master master and temporary master basically?
<apteryx>rigth, I often have 1 thing cooking, so I use another worktree for review
<podiki[m]>makes sense, and not too cluttered then
<iyzsong[m]>look like no one care 2s delay boot time so far lol
<Parnikkapore_m><s>worth it for the message</s>
<jgart[m]>Are there any plans to make pipewire the default for gnome?
<jgart[m]>Debian 12 is doing that now
<rekado>jgart[m]: better ask the Guix gnome team about this.
<jpoiret>hello guix
<pranavats>Hello. I'm trying to get hibernation to work on my guix system. What should be the value of the "resume" kernel parameter if my swapfile resides in a Logical Volume in an LVM on Luks setup?
<pranavats>I tried setting it to the path to the logical volume as in "resume=/dev/mapper/vgroup-vname" with an appropriate resume_offset value. Hibernation did work once, but I got some file system errors on next reboot and now I get a kernel panic while booting.
<pranavats>Curiously, the only files that have been overwritten with garbage values are from my emacs configuration.
<jlicht>pranavats: unless you have backups, I wouldn't put a lot of trust in the state of your filesystem
<jlicht>or rather, the contents of the files on said FS
<pranavats>jlicht: I see. I do have older backups of the important files.
<pranavats>Earlier I had set the resume device wrong. And had tried to hibernate, which resumed unsuccessfully, but I think the state was stored in the swap. When I did get the resume device (logical volume) right, the system resumed to the previously stored state, and on reboot, my file system had errors.
<unmatched-paren>good morning-soon-to-be-afternoon, Guix :)
<jlicht>pranavats: sorry to hear that. I'm no expert either, just a jaded survivor from my initial attempt to do something similar :/
<jpoiret>hibernation is hard to get right, especially in situations like this!
<pranavats>I also have lvm-on-luks2 with grub2 using your patch jpoiret. Still works.
<jpoiret>ohhhh, how old are these?
<jpoiret>they still haven't got merged iirc but they should soon be
<jpoiret>is your swap directly on lvm or in luks2?
<pranavats>jpoiret: 8th Dec 2021
<jpoiret>wow i didn't know it was this old!
<pranavats>jpoiret: I have a swapfile in a logical volume.
<pranavats>I do think my setup is correct now. It seems that the older misconfigurations caused the data loss.
<pranavats>jpoiret: Currently when I try to boot, it gets stuck at "populating /etc from /gnu/store/<hash>-etc"
<pranavats>This is after I ran fsck on the concerned file systems, and "fixed" errors.
<jpoiret>well, at least it goes past the early userspace. But I guess your fs is bricked now
<jpoiret>maybe you could repair the store via a chroot?
<pranavats>Do you mean "guix system reconfigure" from a chroot? Or "guix system init"?
<pranavats>I don't know what repair means.
<jpoiret>guix gc --verify=repair,contents
<jlicht>hmm, how can I get (guix http-client)'s http-fetch to "deal with" UTF-8 data? Specifically, a web page with a 🐈 in there (emoji of nice kitty)
<jlicht> I get "hello kitty ð\x9f\x90\x88\n" instead of "hello kitty 🐈\n" in my responses
<n9>Hi hackers, I probably have stupid question: Anyone knows how to install growisofs? Seems like it's not in repos, and I cannot find other ways. Compile from source?
<n9>Oh I found!
<n9>I needed "dvd+rw-tools"
<n9>Hello jacobk!
<mirai>does it make sense to define some manifests, concatenate them and <perform ???> to use them in the packages field in home-environment ?
<unmatched-paren>mirai: not really
<unmatched-paren><MANIFEST-ENTRY> objects are like lowered forms of packages
<unmatched-paren>so it would make sense to define a list of packages and then lower those to a monifest
<unmatched-paren>oh, never mind, it looks like you can retrieve the MANIFEST-ENTRY-ITEM
<unmatched-paren>(map manifest-entry-item (manifest-entries MANIFEST)) might work, mirai
<unmatched-paren>i'm not certain
<unmatched-paren>(you'll need to import (guix profiles))
<mirai>I'm getting a list of #<package …> records
<mirai>so I presume it should work?
<unmatched-paren>ACTION away now, sorry
<unmatched-paren>but probably
<PotentialUser-47>Hi I am using nixos at the Moment
<PotentialUser-47>But the documentation and the mix language Is not good
<PotentialUser-47>I want to try guix but how does It work with proprietari packages?
<PotentialUser-47>I Need in particolar Samsung driver for mu printer
<civodul>PotentialUser-47: hi! Guix itself is committed to user freedom and does not provide non-free software
<n9>PotentialUser-47: It doesn't works with anything non-free.
<civodul>other projects out there do provide non-free packages though, in the form of channels
<n9>I would suggest to avoid hardware that requires non-free software.
<civodul>see also
<mirai>guix doesn't like service canonical name changes upon guix reconfigure
<mirai>and it breaks reboot?
<mirai>$ sudo herd restart root
<mirai>You must be kidding.
<n9>$ sudo herd restart myself
<PotentialUser-47>I probably Need only mynprinter driver
<PotentialUser-47>Isnt there someway to male It work?
<n9>PotentialUser-47: Technically there are, but no.
<PotentialUser-47>But you said that somebody makes channels with proprietari things
<PotentialUser-47>Cant they male Samsung unified Linux driver work in some way?
<mirai>so… a physical restart is required? Sounds suboptimal that if shepherd encounters some problem in the shutdown sequence actually results in shepherd refusing to attempt it again or “voiding” the reboot/shutdown commands
<n9>We will *not* help you with non-free software.
<PotentialUser-47>Do not get angry
<n9>I am not angry, just saying.
<PotentialUser-47>I am loving this documentation btw
<n9>Of guix?
<PotentialUser-47>Nix one Is the worst I have ever seen
<PotentialUser-47>Nothing is clear
<n9>I've never seen/used Nix.
<PotentialUser-47>It's guix if the configuration language sucked and the documentation sucked
<PotentialUser-47>And there were 45 differenti undocimented ways of doing something
<n9>I didn't liked Guix documentation, so I've written down things I need, in way I will understand.
<PotentialUser-47>Which Is unfortunate because i think if nix had these 2 problema corrected
<PotentialUser-47>It would be as popular as arch
<PotentialUser-47>If not more
<PotentialUser-47>It has unholy learning curve
<PotentialUser-47>For no Damn reason
<n9>Just don't use and calm down
<PotentialUser-47>I fell' in love with it's way of configuring system
<PotentialUser-47>One file for declaring the entire system
<PotentialUser-47>Andits super Easy to rollback
<PotentialUser-47>Is there another distro like that?
<civodul>mirai: ouch, interesting bug :-)
<civodul>"root stopped", uh
<civodul>how did you do that?
<mirai>looks pretty alive to me :)
<mirai>system reconfigure and reboot
<civodul>right, but the canonical name change?
<civodul>IOW, what was the difference before and after reconfigure?
<mirai>I think it's the NetworkManager change?
<mirai>let me see if I can pull the commits
<civodul>hmm yeah theres
<civodul>there's a message about NetworkManager
<mirai>can I get the guix commit associated with a system generation ?
<civodul>i did reconfigure since the NetworkManager change, but i've been using Shepherd "master" :-P
<civodul>yes, "guix system list-generations"
<mirai>I see the (current) one
<mirai>had to scroll up
<mirai>from: f01b5299db6031174f05124b843c936388cd872a --> to: 380faf265b0c3b231ab8b69597d161be5e704e18
<civodul>so the system that changed canonical names is NetworkManager, right?
<civodul>if that's the source of the problem, i'm surprised nobody complained before
<civodul>it's been a couple of weeks since that change, no?
<mirai>almost a month?
<mirai>well, I'm only complaining now, 31d since last boot 😂
<civodul>heh :-)
<mirai>it's the only thing I can think of that could be the cause of it
<mirai>unless it's a red herring
<civodul>could you send the relevant /var/log/messages excerpt (showing the reconfigure phase followed by the reboot attempt), along with the commits, to bug-guix?
<mirai>well, that assert message seems to be where things fall apart?
<mirai>Assertion (eq? (canonical-name new) (canonical-name old)) failed.
<civodul>that one seems to be gone in master
<civodul>which doesn't mean it wouldn't crash ;-)
<mirai>it never expects that a service might gain a canonical name at some point in the future
<civodul>i wonder where the wrong-type-arg/for-each thing comes from (Tor?)
<mirai>the plague of the sporadic connection losses just disconnected my SSH session
<mirai>oh ok cool, I managed to log into a tty
<mirai>civodul: what other info do you want me to pull from this machine before I powercycle it
<civodul>mirai: that should be enough
<civodul>sporadic connection losses?
<mirai>occasionally I get “NIC Link is Down” messages in dmesg
<mirai>(after relogging into it)
<civodul>ok; is it related to Guix?
<mirai>I... don't know, it's very erratic
<mirai>one machine loses less often
<mirai>but I can hold a ssh connection to non-guix machines for much longer
<mirai>(all within the same LAN)
<civodul>ok, never experienced that
<civodul>well, i do experience it with for instance, but that's not because of Guix, rather due to some tricky networking issues on the way
<mirai>civodul: speaking of that, that reminds me of an issue that might solve the problem with the absurd nginx log sizes
<mirai>that occur with *
<mirai>could you weigh in on <> ?
<mirai>it should reduce the multi-TB log files into something more manageable
<civodul>mirai: done!
<civodul>we'll also need log rotation for nginx
<civodul>that's perhaps more important
<mirai>log-rotation is a bit subtle
<mirai>it will require a 'reopen action to shepherd
<mirai>since it uses USR1 iirc
<mirai>'reopen action for nginx I mean
<mirai>but the ownership of the logs is weird
<mirai>the first non-rotated logs is root:root
<mirai>but if you rotate them they will be nginx:root? (or some weird combination, <>)
<spiderbit>Hi, I try to get stumpwm in guix ready to import normal cl libraries :D
<spiderbit>basically defined my own stumpwm version with
<spiderbit>(define stumpwm-with-mylibs
<spiderbit>... (prepend sbcl-cl-str)
<spiderbit>i this inputs (modify inputs) only for build inputs
<spiderbit>oder does it somehow puts this package inside the other package as output or so
<spiderbit>and if that is the wrong way to be able to load stuff from inside stumpwm is there another way
<spiderbit>here is some example to add stuff to stumpwm, but I can't really understand that fully and or adapt it to my problem
<PotentialUser-76>Any idea if there is an option to play youtube on GUIX? I am using GNOME-web browser.
<spiderbit>PotentialUser-76 doesn't it work?
<PotentialUser-76>nope. I am getting an error saying unsupported browser
<spiderbit>is usin another browser a option?
<spiderbit>it should probably work but just to give a easy fast solution
<PotentialUser-76>Tried Icecat with no luck. Trying ungoogled-chromium
<spiderbit>I use firefox
<spiderbit>and it works
<Aurora_v_kosmose>Does shepherd support service dependency hierarchies & such?
<Aurora_v_kosmose>I'm thinking of a view of services similar to how systemd or Erlang supervision trees work.
<Aurora_v_kosmose>Ah, seems like it does. It was documented in the slots.
<PotentialUser-76>spiderbit thanks will try that
<commit>Good afternoon!
<RavenJoad>Does it make sense for the serialize-configuration procedure to also accept a delimiter, so it behaves like interpose? Or should each field's serialization function provide the delimiter?
<mirai>RavenJoad: there's a thread in guix-devel
<mirai>methinks it should be a transducer
<RavenJoad>Ok. At least I am not alone in that thought process.
<mirai>are messages like these expected for emacs? <>
<RavenJoad>mirai: I have been getting those on several different Emacs instances for a while. I think Emacs' warning checker got stricter in a recent release.
<spiderbit>I wonder if this information is still correct
<spiderbit>I tried that and guix system reconfigure does not refuse this
<spiderbit>but stumpwm doesn't allow me to require ttf-fonts this way
<spiderbit>also there exist a sbcl-stumpwm-ttf-fonts packages
<spiderbit>did that replace this?
<RavenJoad>Is there a way to perform a map over/into gexps? I have gexp<string>, where the strings do not have newlines. I want to map (and maybe flatten) by adding a \n to the end of each gexp's string, forming a new gexp.
<spiderbit>Well I restate my comment about the cookbook entry
<spiderbit>it's partially false/outdated, that is a fact there is no sbcl-ttf-fonts package anymore so it must be wrong
<mirai>has git undergone some update recently?
<mirai>git:gui looks broken to me
<mirai>gitk launches but git gui doesn't
<spiderbit>I just thought I figured my problem partially out
<spiderbit>sbcl-stumpwm-ttf-fonts asks for sbcl-clx-truetype and sbcl-zpb-ttf
<spiderbit>when I add them in stumpwm config file with (stumpwm:add-to-load-path "/run/current-system/profile/share/common-lisp/sbcl/zpb-ttf")
<spiderbit>one by one which is stupid but the errors go away :D
<spiderbit>it also wants: "sbcl-cl-vectors"
<spiderbit>but it doesn't install in this sbcl parent folder
<spiderbit>so I can't add the load path
<ryuslash>Hey Guix!
<spiderbit>ok that seem to work to require str into stumpwm
<spiderbit>but why can't guix not setup this load paths automatically
<Guest701>Hello everyone,
<Guest701> does anyone have a config, where firefox is installed with?
<Guest701>I looked at some configs, but i could not find, how to install firefox
<ngz>Guest701: Guix provides Icecat, which is morally equivalent to Firefox.
<rmnull>Hello, I'm trying to get a guix home setup, and I've been following this page( I want to link the configuration files for a package, for example, mpd.conf for the mpd package. What's the recommended way to declare them. If some example code could be provided I would be happy
<rmnull>Q2. some of my PATH come from user installed packages. e.g: ruby -e 'puts Gem.user_dir' gives the gem directory and then that is appended to the PATH. What's the guix way of doing this ?
<RavenJoad>rmnull: To link a configuration file into place that does not currently have a guix-home service-type defined, you use a simple-service. (simple-service 'your-service-name home-xdg-configuration-files-service-type ...). See (guix) Essential Home Services in the manual.
<mirai>someone™ should adapt mpd-service-type into a home service
<mirai>it probably only needs the accountservice extension stripped
<whereiseveryone>rmnull: see my confetti:
<whereiseveryone>rmnull: I'm starting to build out a minimal rde home just for emacs features here:
<whereiseveryone>but beware that the rde stuff is not tested yet
<whereiseveryone>in my config that is
<whereiseveryone>my confetti, that is
<RavenJoad>rmnull: The PATH thing is slightly more complicated. But same concept, look at that section in the manual. It has a good example, but in summary (simple-service 'service-name home-environment-variables-service-type <alist of env-vars>). I recommend if you toy with PATH "manually", you use "<addition>${PATH:+:}$PATH" syntax.
<rmnull>RavenJoad, thank you for the suggestion, I've looked into the manual it was kinda confusing I'll go through it again after going through the source whereiseveryone provided.
<whereiseveryone>rmnull My config linked about shows what RavenJoad is talking about in a real config that I'm currently using
<rmnull>whereiseveryone, thank you for the source, It looks something I can copy and build upon. I don't use rde, the other example looks just like what I want, thanks!!
<whereiseveryone>just copy paste
<rmnull>hehe : )
<rmnull>I'll get back here if I get stuck. thanks
<whereiseveryone>I'd avoid rde for now until you feel comfortable with the core home services
<RavenJoad>I found the examples in the manual more useful than the dialogue that goes along with it for guix-home.
<whereiseveryone>And you might not even need rde depending on what you're trying to do
<mirai>what's “rde”
<whereiseveryone>I'm just experimenting with rde to learn their APIs
<mirai>keep hearing it
<whereiseveryone>mirai: It provides features:
<whereiseveryone>See the guix channel search engine results I linked for an example of rde features
<whereiseveryone>I would describe rde as spacemacs but "for everythinggggggggg"
<whereiseveryone>and using guix ofc
<msavoritias>so the difference between home service and this is that rde is for applications and home is for home environments?
<whereiseveryone>If you want an intro to rde I would start by looking at their emacs features:
<whereiseveryone>feature-emacs-evil, feature-emacs-denote, feature-emacs-org-roam, etc...
<whereiseveryone>rde builds on top of guix home
<msavoritias>the reason i am asking is because i was looking into learning home
<msavoritias>so I am wondering if its a superset
<whereiseveryone>yes it is
<whereiseveryone>in a way
<whereiseveryone>you can use guix home with rde
<whereiseveryone>rde is just building on top of guix home
<whereiseveryone>but it introduces this abstraction called features
<whereiseveryone>as I mentioned above
<whereiseveryone>You "enable features" as needed
<msavoritias>got it. will look into it
<whereiseveryone>For example, (feature-emacs-evil), will enable an opinionated config for emacs-evil stuff in your emacs
<whereiseveryone>(feature-emacs-evil) is just a function call and there are function keywords that you can modify to change the feature's (that is, function's) functionality
<whereiseveryone>anyways, happy hacking!
<PotentialUser-76>Does anyone know why the download button in gmail does not auto download in GNOME-GUIX
<PotentialUser-76>i am guessing the backend javascript is missing but not quite sure if this is the right answer. As there may be an opensource library that is missing?
<whereiseveryone>PotentialUser-76: Are you referring to a web browser issue?
<whereiseveryone>If so, what web browser are you experiencing that in?
<Guest701>ngz I triied icecat and run into many problems (youtube not working, dropbox not logging in). I just need a solution, that works
<PotentialUser-76>whereiseveryone i used GNOME WEB, icecat and firefox
<whereiseveryone>PotentialUser-76: guix install google-chrome-stable --substitute-urls=''
<whereiseveryone>🙊 🙊 🙊
<whereiseveryone>sorry that slipped, PotentialUser-76 "don't do that"
<whereiseveryone>it's not free software
<Guest701>whereiseveryone can you share your config please?
<whereiseveryone>Which one?
<Guest701>whereiseveryone for guix
<whereiseveryone>There might be random useful stuff in the other branches also that are not gnome. That is, b, sway, and root
<Guest701>whereiseveryone where do you define your screen resultion?
<whereiseveryone>I'm planning to turn my dotfiles into a guix channel and add it to
<whereiseveryone>stay tuned
<whereiseveryone>Guest701: I don't
<whereiseveryone>I don't define my screen resolution anywhere in my dots
<whereiseveryone>That just works for me
<whereiseveryone>What are you trying to do exactly Guest701?
<whereiseveryone>something with xrandr?
<Guest701>whereiseveryone I want to change my resolution in i3, but i just think i have to use xrandr with addmode and try it
<whereiseveryone>feel free to provide more context
<whereiseveryone>Ya, I would just use xrandr by hand for that
<Guest701>whereiseveryone will check it first myself, thank you so much
<whereiseveryone>Maybe we'll make a home service for that at some point
<Guest701>whereiseveryone sounds good for now, i am just building my config in qemu to switch to guix hopefully soon.
<whereiseveryone>Guest701: nix home-manager has what you're thinking of
<whereiseveryone>But, nobody has implemented it for guix-home yet
<whereiseveryone>no probs
<whereiseveryone>I haven't tried autorandr
<whereiseveryone>just xrandr in the past
<whereiseveryone>I should maybe try it ;()
<whereiseveryone>Then guix-homeify it
<whereiseveryone>I'd like a guix home service kmonad
<whereiseveryone>s/for kmonad
<whereiseveryone>I think Andrew Tropin might be working on that hopefully ;()
<whereiseveryone>kdb support in lispy
<projectmoon`>hi, i am experimenting with guix as a build tool and trying to get it to install something from a local file i have lying on my filesystem. but it seems guix runs as another user, and thus cannot see the .tar.gz. what is the proper way to handle this?
<projectmoon`>using guile-hall, which i cannot really understand the guix.scm files it generates... can't i just use guix itself to build the entire guile package?
<projectmoon`>the guile package i'm writing, that is
<lucas_>hi, is there a way, typically based on logs, to have a look at how many users in my local installation are using guix? (I could not find any logs for what the daemon receives, but maybe I did not look at the right place)
<whereiseveryone>lucas_: you want daemon analytics?
<lucas_>whereiseveryone: yes
<whereiseveryone>projectmoon`: not sure exactly what you're trying to do. Does this help:
<whereiseveryone>You can reference a local-file from your <package>'s source field
<spiderbit>RavenJoad any idea why I have to setup all paths of all dependencies in sbcl / stumpwm to load any module? like ttf-fonts as example not like in the example from the cookbook where I have to set none like here:
<projectmoon`>whereiseveryone: i think that's exactly what i am trying to do. i have a scheme project, and i want to build and 'install' it locally using guix.
<projectmoon`>not sure if that's what i'm SUPPOSED to do, but that's what i'm trying to do
<whereiseveryone>Here are some more examples of local-file in source in a guile project:
<spiderbit>to make that work I have to add many paths add-to-load-path statements like that:
<spiderbit>(stumpwm:add-to-load-path "/run/current-system/profile/share/common-lisp/sbcl/zpb-ttf")
<spiderbit>which would not be that bad because at least it stays in the same path
<spiderbit>but also some like that:
<spiderbit>(stumpwm:add-to-load-path "/gnu/store/sixajfiirrw79zijnlc2n75mvqfa4wg6-sbcl-cl-ppcre-unicode-2.1.1/share/common-lisp/sbcl/cl-ppcre-unicode/")
<projectmoon`>whereiseveryone: well that definitely gets it to run. but now it cannot see ./configure, because i assume guix is running as a separate user that doesn't have access to my source directory
<whereiseveryone>i feel like a human gpt that has infiltrated libera
<whereiseveryone>i wonder if anyone has written a gpt irc bot yet
<whereiseveryone>spiderbit: see this from today:
<whereiseveryone>spiderbit: if you want the quicklisp experience in guix
<projectmoon`>whereiseveryone: i am not sure if what i'm trying to do is the actual best way to go about iterative scheme development. but dunno how else to test the packaging locally o_O
<whereiseveryone>projectmoon`: what would you like the experience to be like?
<RavenJoad>spiderbit: If you are manually adding to the stumpwm load-path, that makes me think StumpWM does not have those packages available to it during compilation (if you are compiling it)?
<whereiseveryone>maybe describe it in writing and we can then brainstorm
<projectmoon`>i dunno. preferably a command i can enter that pops out an installable thing
<projectmoon`>i am mostly trying to wrap my head around Hall
<projectmoon`>as in this thing:
<whereiseveryone>the guix developer workflow experience is WIP and people are dogfooding it in different ways
<projectmoon`>it is not entirely clear to me what the workflow with hall is supposed to be
<whereiseveryone>I haven't use guile-hall really
<spiderbit>raven, well I made another package but it did not help
<spiderbit>you mean for input right
<whereiseveryone>projectmoon`: why do you think you need hall?
<RavenJoad>spiderbit: I use the stumpwm-with-slynk package, which adds slynk to the StumpWM you run. You might want to look at that.
<projectmoon`>dunno. this is also an attempt to learn scheme.
<whereiseveryone>hall is guile specific and workflow specific
<projectmoon`>doesn't have to be hall. just needs to get me from scheme code to installable thing
<msavoritias>if you just start with scheme I think hall is overkill right now
<projectmoon`>well, i do mean guile sheme
<projectmoon`>so guile-specific is fine
<whereiseveryone>projectmoon`: do you know about the guile-build-system?
<projectmoon`>whereiseveryone: yes i saw it mentioned in the documentation
<whereiseveryone>that one is easy to use
<whereiseveryone>projectmoon`: for example:
<projectmoon`>currently pkg has just a few guile dependencies, all of which are available inguix
<spiderbit>I am just a noob in scheme / common-lisp and guix, I am just good in emacs-lisp :D author of a few packages
<spiderbit>so it's hard to find my way
<whereiseveryone>guile-build-system just compiles the guile file to a guile object (.go) and copies the sources to output
<whereiseveryone>in the store
<whereiseveryone>You can write guile files and then use guile-build-system in your project repo
<whereiseveryone>Use a guix.scm file
<whereiseveryone>Like Arun does
<whereiseveryone>in the above links I hsared
<projectmoon`>yes, but then need to filter out guix.scm in source :D
<whereiseveryone>not sure what you mean by filter out
<whereiseveryone>in source
<projectmoon`>the (source) filed
<projectmoon`>it tries to load guix.scm for building
<projectmoon`>i assume i need to alter the predicate thing
<whereiseveryone>maybe try it for a bit
<whereiseveryone>it's pretty simple that way with guile-build-system
<spiderbit>RavenJoad isn't it enough to add it as input?
<whereiseveryone>spiderbit: yes you can do that
<whereiseveryone>that's one way
<spiderbit>but I still can't require it
<whereiseveryone>how are you trying to require it?
<whereiseveryone>(require :foo)
<spiderbit>or do I have to logout is "restard-hard" not enough
<whereiseveryone>not sure all the steps you followed
<spiderbit>no restart-hard wrong word with the "t" :D
<spiderbit>yes did require :foo
<RavenJoad>I am not deeply familiar with the asdf-build-system/sbcl, but to make StumpWM see slynk stuff, the stumpwm-with-slynk package needs to change some program dependency things. I don't know if that is required here.
<whereiseveryone>you won't have to restart your guix shell if you use guixrus-scripts and
<whereiseveryone>See those two packages and the video from today if you'd like to have a similar experience to quicklisp without needed to restart a guix shell
<spiderbit>I stumbled over that, but looks a bit a overkill especially because the packages are all in guix
<whereiseveryone>have you used quicklisp before?
<whereiseveryone>in quicklisp you can load new dependencies in a repl without restarting the repl
<whereiseveryone>in guix you can also do that if you use the above
<RavenJoad>spiderbit: It seems like the StumpWM lisp image that is being built does not get the store-path of the run-time dependencies embedded into the image, which is why you have to manually add them yourself right now. You might need to explore how other CL apps get load-paths embedded.
<whereiseveryone>otherwise you have to restart the shell and all
<whereiseveryone>ciao gotta run!
<spiderbit>whereiseveryone I copied 1-2 times some quicklisp line
<spiderbit>but looks a bit ugly when it's not distribution packages :D
<spiderbit>whereiseveryone thanks
<spiderbit>maybe it doesn't do it because it also don't makes a link towards: /run/current-system/profile/share/common-lisp/sbcl/
<spiderbit>cl-str I mean
<spiderbit>or sbcl-cl-str
<RavenJoad>If you are building a package, it should not rely on /run/current-system (unless there is good reason to). You should expand the path into the store. It helps prevent issues when reconfiguring.
<spiderbit>but the package itself should make such link
<spiderbit>at least others do
<spiderbit>RavenJoad the video buffers horribly like 20 sek loading then 2 sec playback or so :D and I can't lower resolution
<RavenJoad>Whether or not the package does that may require some massaging of inputs. The stumpwm-with-slynk package needs to set dependencies and dependency-prefixes manually, so perhaps investigate stuff like that?
<RavenJoad>As for the video thing, I have no idea what that is about. I do not know what you are doing there.
<projectmoon`>whereiseveryone: do you know if there's a way to get emacs to auto-complete guix's guile functions? like is there a guix source pkg i can add to guix.scm to get auto-comlpetion with company-mode?
<projectmoon`>ah, had to leave
<projectmoon`>well then does anyone else know?
<projectmoon`>guess i could use emacsa from within guix
<msavoritias>I was looking in the docs but it doesnt mention anything except paredit and geiser
<msavoritias>It does mention
<msavoritias>To make your own auto complete thoough
<RavenJoad>projectmoon`: I just need Emacs and a running Geiser instance, albeit the Geiser instance needs the Guix Guile API to be in the load-path though.
<projectmoon`>i have geise running inside emacs, but maybe i am missing the load path
<projectmoon`>do you have a link to a config for that?
<projectmoon`>maybe something like this?
<Guest7054>Hey all,
<Guest7054>i am trying to install firefox, but i am not getting it. I described the problem here:
<Guest7054>can anyone take a look at it, please?
<RavenJoad>projectmoon`: That is more-or-less what I use. I have not done a ton of configuration to get Guix auto-completions working, beyond loading the modules in an attached Geiser instance.
<projectmoon`>ok. now i just need to see if the guix ebuild for gentoo installed the source files somewhere
<projectmoon`>nope, doesn't look like it
<projectmoon`>RavenJoad: hmm, not getting auto-completion still
<projectmoon`>i changed geiser-load-path to point at a git checkout of guix, but no dice
<RavenJoad>To be fair, my auto-complete is not great either. I do not have a good Guile setup yet. Most of the time, I still need the manual open for searching.
<projectmoon`>it's not picking up the guile files for some reason
<projectmoon`>hmm actually it's picking them up in geiser
<projectmoon`>do you eval your use-modules to get auto complete?
<RavenJoad>In Geiser, if I need something I use either (use-modules ...) to bring things into scope or ,m to switch to that module.
<projectmoon`>ok, i think geiser is compiling a bunch of stuff
<projectmoon`>before it lets me auto-complete, lol
<projectmoon`>time for sleep anyway
<rmnull>what's the recommended way to inject user-bin directory in guix home? I have collection of bash scripts that all reside in a local ~/bin folder I want it to be part of guix home shell invocation. what service would i need to use without painfully mentioning a file one by one
<RavenJoad>If you want to be available as a "regular program" on the command-line, make sure the ~/bin directory is at the front of the PATH environment variable. Just another simple-service to prepend to PATH.
<jgart[m]>You can also create g-expression based scripts:
<jgart[m]>I have a few in my dots now
<rmnull>RavenJoad, so I just copy the whole bin directory as it is and then prepend "${HOME}/bin" to PATH?
<rmnull>jgart[m], gexps look cool, I'll take a look at them in future, currently I'm getting the existing setup to build. Without having to write additional code :sweat smile:
<RavenJoad>In the long-run, rewriting them to be Guile scripts might be the most Guix-y thing to do. (That's what I am doing). But in the short-run, yes. Just copy ~/bin and prepend to PATH with a simple-service that extends home-environment-variables-service-type with ("PATH" . "$HOME/bin${PATH:+:}$PATH").
<jgart[m]>Here's how I extend my PATH:
<jgart[m]>similar to what RavenJoad said
<rmnull>jgart[m], haha, you are whereiseveryone. I've been copying your config, it's been helpful, thanks! In your config you seem to be mentioning each script individually, that was kinda painful, so I wanted to know if there was a better way to do this, that's all
<apteryx>efraim: can rust be built for powerpc64el nowadays?
<efraim>apteryx: not yet
<apteryx>I see the latest python-cryptography requires rust...
<apteryx>there's also a recent CVE with it
<apteryx>I'm updating the package to 40.0.1 on staging, borrowing a few of your rust changes in the process (will appear on master)
<jgart[m]>rmnull I copied unwox, unmatched-paren, and various others
<unwox>irfus: hi! do you mind if i publish your home-pipewire service work on my guix channel? you posted a pastebin earlier here that i copied for myself. i'll add a copyright notice with you of course
<Guest7024>I added  in my /home/dave/.config/guix/channels.scm the nonguix channel, but after guix pull nothing happens. Can anyone help me? I just want to install firefox, so i can upload something to dropbox.
<Guest7024>Because dropbox does not work with icecat
<zamfofex>Guest7024: I don’t think we’re meant to be allowed to talk about nonguix here! Though I will say: I never had any issues with websites running poorly on IceCat. What issues do you run into when tryint to use DropBox?
<zamfofex>Guest7024: Conversely, you could also try using ‘ungoogled-chromium’.
<Guest7024>zamfofex so youtube is workin for you? And you can login into dropbox with icecat?
<zamfofex>Yes! (At least for YouTube, but I don’t use Dropbox.) Usually I disable all of the plugins that come preinstalled in IceCat, though.
<zamfofex>From the “hamburger menu” in IceCat, you can choose “Add‐ons and themes”, then disable the extensions.
<Guest7024>zamfofex nice, now everything works, i did not know all this plugins were blocking these sites
<Guest7024>zamfofex i added to ~/.config/guix/channels.scm the nonguix
<Guest7024>zamfofex and do guix pull
<Guest7024>zamfofex but, when i do guix describe, i just see gnu
<Guest7024>oh it says, I found a bug
<Guest7024>cool, now it work, thanks for everything zamfofex !
<zamfofex>I’m glad you managed to get everything working!
<lucas_>hi, is there a way, typically based on logs, to have a look at how many users in my local installation are using guix? (I could not find any logs for what the daemon receives, but maybe I did not look at the right place)
<lucas_>I see that the daemon outputs something for each connection it receives, but only with the source IP
<jeko>Yoo Guix !
<pranavats>jpoiret: About your advice regarding chroot and repairing the store with guix gc --verify=repair,contents. Every time I try that, the same errors show up, which means probably nothing is being fixed. Some store objects are corrupted and missing. I am able to boot into older kernel configurations though. Would you recommend doing a "guix system reconfigure"? Could that update/replace those corrupt store obj
<pranavats>For context, my file systems got corrupted while trying to get hibernation/resume to work. Some files got overwritten with garbage values. And I'm trying to fix the store items that got corrupted.
<mekeor[m]>jeko: hiiii :)
<jpoiret>guix system reconfigure will not repair the store objects
<jpoiret>guix thinks they are there and they are fine so it will not inspect them unless instructed to
<TristanCottam[m]>Hi guys, can anyone help me understand why software which is meant to be run as a service sometimes only has a Guix package, but no service?
<evilsetg[m]>My first idea is that nobody wrote a service for it yet. Do you have an example?
<TristanCottam[m]>For instance, Synapse ('s reference server) has a Guix package, but no service. Why would one bother creating only a package for this?
<pranavats>jpoiret: would "guix system init" help? Or do I just roll-back to some previous generation, collect all the garbage and then do a guix pull and reconfigure?
<ardon>TristanCottam[m]: Because some services are not trivial to create. See
<evilsetg[m]>Packaging it is the first step. Without the package a service would not make sense. It would be nice though to have a service for synapse. I don't think it's on purpose there is none.
<TristanCottam[m]>ardon: That's the impression I had, but what's the point of the `synapse` package by itself?
<TristanCottam[m]>Also, thanks for the link!
<evilsetg[m]>You could probably set up synapse manually after installing the package.
<ardon>TristanCottam[m]: Basically what evilsetg[m] said, without a package there's no service in the first place.
<msavoritias>yeah. less work for the person doing the service
<TristanCottam[m]>That's fair enough, are there any other resources than the reference manual to learn about creating Guix services? I'd love to be able to contribute
<evilsetg[m]>A hands on tutorial for creating a service would be good for the cookbook.
<uniavix>I could translate it to Portuguese of Portugal.
<mirai>TristanCottam[m]: look at existing service examples? (preferably those that have undergone changes recently)
<TristanCottam[m]>mirai: You mean plain existing services? Or are there actual existing examples?
<mirai>the existing ones under gnu/services
<TristanCottam[m]>Ok, I'll have a closer look. Thanks!
<mirai>what service do you have in mind?
<mirai>that you want to add
<TristanCottam[m]>In this case, Synapse, but ardon linked to a recent patch to RDE which would implement this
<TristanCottam[m]>And I was also thinking about a service for a Minetest server
<mekeor[m]>ACTION got a build error for "guix install emacs-next-tree-sitter --with-branch=emacs-next-tree-sitter=master" and wonders if it's an upstream issue
<ardon>Hey Guix, I asked this a couple of days ago. Does anyone follow a similar workflow?
<unmatched-paren>hello, guix :)
<unmatched-paren>anyone around who could review a blog post? :)
<TristanCottam[m]>What kind?
<unmatched-paren>TristanCottam[m]: it's the third one of these:
<apteryx>why does cargo error out with "error: no matching package found" even for a dependency marked as optional?
<unmatched-paren>apteryx: cargo requires that all packages are present, even if they are optional >:D
<apteryx>how silly
<unmatched-paren>because *mumble mumble checksums mumble mumble something something*
<apteryx>so I need to patch it out from Cargo.toml
<unmatched-paren>pretty much
<apteryx>also... the error message is not very helpful toward that goal :-)
<unmatched-paren>i'm sure it isn't
<apteryx>does getaddrinfo always require going through the libc resolver service?
<apteryx>that doesn't appear to work in the guix container, even for loopback domains such as "localhost" (defined in /etc/hosts, even in guix containers)
<msavoritias>I installed nss-certs just in case but it didnt fix the problem
<msavoritias>I am trying to run lutris on flatpak and I am getting
<msavoritias>Download failed: Could not find a suitable TLS CA certificate bundle, invalid path: /run/current-system/profile/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
<msavoritias>is there some specific variable that needs to be added in the shell
<remyd1>apteryx, may your issue be related to network namespaces ?
<apteryx>it is, I'm asking in the context of enabling that scenario in the Guix containerized build environment
<apteryx>(with is setup with clone and the CLONE_NEWNET option (so the process runs in its own private network namespace)
<remyd1>apteryx, Ok, I see
<apteryx>more context:
<mirai>apteryx: within a container, /etc/hosts doesn't exist I think
<mirai>as a result, it doesn't have the typical localhost entry
<mirai>related to #61627 ?
<apteryx>mirai: it exists for me
<apteryx>at least in 'guix shell -C'
<mirai>oh ok, does it have the appropriate entries?
<apteryx>it has at least localhost: localhost
<apteryx>so I'd expect 'getaddrinfo' on localhost to work, although I haven't RTFM fully yet.
<apteryx>perhaps it indiscriminately goes through the DNS resolver of libc, ignoring /etc/hosts
<remyd1>is /etc/resolv.conf a real file ?
<remyd1>or a symlink ?
<apteryx>real file on my system (it's generated by resolvconf, per its header comment)
<henzo_midala>Hi, Today in my country the daylight saving time is not applied anymore but Guix was not taking this in count and shifted the hour. I tried ntp without success. What's suggested here?
<remyd1>apteryx, can you try to override this file with (for instance) the content "nameserver" ?
<mirai>henzo_midala: this is related to the TZ files
<mirai>that's the package
<mirai>and it's due for an update!
<henzo_midala>Ohh, I see, thanks
<mirai>wonder what core-updates thinks on it
<mirai>$ guix-count-deps tzdata
<mirai>apteryx: has staging been merged into master yet?
<mirai>or is it still feasible to include one more patch into it
<cow_2001>today i had my first guix install failure. it was guix install gnash :(
<unmatched-paren>cow_2001: why do you need gnash? flash is fairly-long dead
<cow_2001>without that we've lost much of the 00s web art
<cow_2001>there is ruffle, but it isn't on guix
<mirai>I remember there being an archive of flash games
<mirai>that you could run locally
<cow_2001>and rustlang is curl | sudo sh based installation, which gives me the hibbie jibbies
<unmatched-paren>i guess that boost::allocator_allocate(...) function's signature was changed since gnash was last updated...
<unmatched-paren>we'd need to pass it an older boost as an input, i suppose
<mirai>henzo_midala: I recommend you open a issue in bug-guix
<unmatched-paren>mirai: it's entirely possible to update tzdata on master
<mirai>you'll want to mention that the tzdata package needs to be updated
<unmatched-paren>that's why there are two tzdata packages; tzdata and tzdata-for-tests
<unmatched-paren>someone would need to update tzdata making sure tzdata-for-tests doesn't change
<cow_2001>unmatched-paren: should i post a bug report or do you have it under control?
<unmatched-paren>cow_2001: yeah, please send a report to
<mirai>unmatched-paren: so what's yielding 8138 dependent packages?
<cow_2001>unmatched-paren: thank you! but……… how much of the logs should i post?
<cow_2001>the log file as an attachment?
<unmatched-paren>cow_2001: no, just include it in the email
<unmatched-paren>eh, i guess an attachment would work too
<cow_2001>the last parts of the log file or the whole file?
<unmatched-paren>doesn't matter
<cow_2001>okay. just a second!
<unmatched-paren>so long as you include the actual error, of course :)
<unmatched-paren>mirai: ...hmm
<cow_2001>sent something!
<unmatched-paren>mirai: found it! tzdata-for-tests is a native-input of python, i think that might be the problem
<unmatched-paren>cow_2001: thanks!
<unmatched-paren>mirai: anyway, there's a comment above TZDATA-FOR-TESTS that explains what it's for
<cow_2001>unmatched-paren: no, thank you!
<apteryx>mirai: no, I'm ironing out some failures still in the rust department
<apteryx>mirai: it should be possible yse
<mirai>apteryx: could you add #62624 when you get the chance to?
<apteryx>remyd1: should I use 'nameserver' instead?
<apteryx>will look, thx
<mirai>it fixes some rather frightening bugs
<remyd1>apteryx, I do not think so, but it might be worth testing it also
<apteryx>remyd1: I tried both, I still get the error resolve: Host not found (authoritative)
<apteryx>in a 'guix shell -C' container
<apteryx>after a fresh invocation, are both bordeaux and berlin substitutes supposed to be active?
<apteryx>ACTION thinks yes, but a user gets the openssl expired certs time bomb problem, which suggests they aren't, or that the substitutes no longer exist for that derivation
<apteryx>are the substitute serers used even when the daemon runs without --substitute-urls ?
<remyd1>apteryx, CLONE_NEWNET creates a new namespace not related to your host. So, by using `guix shell -C`, I think network is a new one, isolated from your host.
<apteryx>right; is it possible to have some limited DNS resolver working in that container? One which would know at least that 'localhost' ->
<apteryx>that should help with some test suites
<remyd1>apteryx, to test network without any linux command except bash you can use this solution:
<Parnikkapore_m>How do you delete a GC root once it has been manually registered (e.g. via guix build)?
<apteryx>guix build doesn't register guix roots
<apteryx>so 'guix gc' will reap them
<apteryx>*gc roots
<apteryx>Parnikkapore_m: of if you want to delete a single store item, 'guix gc -D /gnu/store/...-item'
<Parnikkapore_m>guix build -r does afaik
<Parnikkapore_m>so once you have done that (or registered a new root via other means, e.g. guix shell -r), how do you remove that root?
<TristanCottam[m]>unmatched-paren: Are you the author of the first 2 "Dissecting Guix" articles?
<unmatched-paren>TristanCottam[m]: yes
<TristanCottam[m]>I'm going through those two first, then let you know about my feedback on the third one
<unmatched-paren>thank you very much! :)
<TristanCottam[m]>Thank you for your contribution!
<henzo_midala>JFTR, to avoid daylight saving times shift regardless of political decisions we can set /etc/timezone to /Etc/GMTXX where XX can be -12,-11,...+11,+12. Of course, this needs to be set using config.scm.
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<TristanCottam[m]>unmatched-paren: Can I DM you about my feedback to avoid polluting this channel?
<unmatched-paren>TristanCottam[m]: sure, though i personally wouldn't call that pollution
<TristanCottam[m]>Can you send me a message? I'm having problems creating the conversation
<unmatched-paren>TristanCottam[m]: done :)
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>Hi all. I finally build my package successfully in guix shell and see the correct version installed there. How to install it in my "real" system.
<unmatched-paren>NewUser-Basic-Qu: are you doing something like ``guix shell -L .'' or ``guix shell -f FILE''?
<unmatched-paren>if the former, replace ``shell'' with ``install'', otherwise replace it with ``package'' :)
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>did a "guix shell -D guix --pure" on a git checkout where i adapted some files.
<unmatched-paren>and then did ``guix shell NEW-PACKAGE''?
<unmatched-paren>you can just ``guix install NEW-PACKAGE'' then
<unmatched-paren>ACTION afk
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>i have as prompt "bash-5.1#" and it seems no "guix" available in this environment
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>i have the possibility to put a "./pre-inst-env" before it to get guix but that installs not in my system. I would like to use the packages in my system
<pusherofbrooms>Did you modify a package in place in the cloned guix repository?
<pusherofbrooms>or is this a new package in a separate file?
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>i modified
<pusherofbrooms>I'm two weeks into guix, so my advice may be bad, but in that case I think you could setup your local guix checkout as a channel.
<pusherofbrooms>You might consider pulling out the expression for your package (the "(define public PACKAGENAME" part) and all of the use expressions at the top into its own package file separate from the guix checkout. You could then use "guix build -f FILENAME" to build it.
<pusherofbrooms>and "guix package -f filename" to install it.
<pusherofbrooms>If you break the package out into its own file, you might need to paste "PACKAGENAME" at the bottom of your new scm file.
<pusherofbrooms>I'm just getting the hang of this stuff myself.
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>I would like to have it running in system. like when issuing "system reconfigure"
<pusherofbrooms>ah, that sounds like you may need to make a new channel with this package (I've never done that).
<NewUser-Basic-Qu>thanks pusher. Trying to read up on that...
<Fare>Is there a Guix-friendly or Guix-based way to do deploy many hosts with Guix? Something like NixOps or DivNix, but for Guix?
<ngz>Fare: Have you tried "guix deploy" command? (I never used it myself)
<msavoritias>Fare: Yeah guix deploy
<Fare>oh, I thought guix deploy was only for the current host.
<Fare>thanks, I'll look into it
<zyd>Guix warns/recommends: [1680558524.946]: [ WARN ] We recommend installing and/or starting your distribution 'nscd' service
<zyd>However, Fedora has depecrated and removed NSCD in favor of systemd-resolved and sssd. See and
<zyd>I'm not familiar with either nscd or systemd-resolved and sssd, but I have two questions: 1. Does this break Guix packages on Fedora? 2. Is there a good way to test that name lookups are working as Guix expects/needs so I can determine whether or not I need to look more into this problem?
<apteryx>arg. python-cryptography is a royal pain in the butt
<apteryx>thanks to rust
<jgart[m]>what's the latest on antioxidant?
<jgart[m]>What should be the Guixer's approach to developing with Rust?
<jgart[m]>I was speaking with John Wiegley over at #nixos about developing with Rust and Nix (John uses Nix to hack on Rust)
<jgart[m]>They mostly use Nix to install rust tooling like the rust compiler, language server, linter, etc.
<jgart[m]>And then they defer to cargo for the crates.
<jgart[m]>I would love to atleast be able to do that with Guix
<jgart[m]>But our rust and rust-analyzer is too out of date.
<jgart[m]>And clippy etc.
<RavenJoad>What is the package/service that places /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt in place? I know nss-certs gets all of the certs, but the output of guix build nss-certs lacks the ca-certificates.crt file.
<apteryx>jgart[m]: I think it's on hold
<apteryx>jgart[m]: you can already do that with Guix
<apteryx>ah, just read the last part
<RavenJoad>I found without a response on the help mailing list. I want to substitute ca-certificates.crt into a configuration file definition. #$(file-append ca-certificate-bundle /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt), for example.
<apteryx>perhaps you could try your hand at updating it? rust packaging is typically more boring than difficult, in my experience
<apteryx>for your operating system config?
<RavenJoad>apteryx: For a guix home config. I am working on my own services to build config files for me. I need the certs for emails.
<Fare>doesn't the latest linux kernel include modules in rust? Does that mean rust is now necessary to compile it, and Guix must have a working rust toolchain? Or is the problem with library packaging, not the base toolchain?
<jgart[m]>apteryx: I would like a better importer before I do that rust work
<jgart[m]>the base toolchain is also not the latest iirc Fare
<jgart[m]>version: 1.65.0
<Fare>jgart: thanks a lot for linking me to the pinephone pro guix configuration, BTW!
<jgart[m]>No probs, anytime Fare
<jgart[m]>Fare: TLDR
<jgart[m]>Fare: charje implemented a way to get the quicklisp experience but only with Guix and ASDF
<jgart[m]>The video above contains a demo of charje showing it off.
<jgart[m]>Fare: If you're able to try it, I'd be curious what you think given you're history and expertise with ASDF and Common Lisp.
<Fare>jgart: these days I've mostly moved to Gerbil Scheme.
<jgart[m]>Fare: Ya, I saw. Why Gerbil and not Chez or Chicken?
<Fare>jgart: long story...
<TristanCottam[m]>Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a Guix package for minetest-server, by creating a variant of the minetest package. How can I append additional #:configure-flags to the inherited ones?
<Fare>Cool that you update CL servers in-place. Do you erase data by unbinding or uninterning symbols, or do you use update-instance-for-redefined-class ?
<cel7t>Tristan Cottam: if I recall correctly, minetest did not support configure-flags
<cel7t>Can you go to the online Guix source and check guix/build-system/minetest.scm?
<cel7t>If it supports configure-flags you'll see a #:configure-flags
<TristanCottam[m]>That's where I saw them in the first place, yes.
<cel7t>In that case you can use gexp to append them. The way I'd do it is something like this (inside the package definition):... (full message at <>)
<TristanCottam[m]>I'll try it out, thanks! What's the difference between inherit and package/inherit?
<cel7t>I am not entirely sure, but I think for your use case (inherit <package-name>) would make more sense
<unmatched-paren>hello, guix :)
<cel7t>hello 👋
<bost>Hi. I'd like to have a look at series of 16 patches from Is there some one-click way to download them? I mean, clicking back and forth 16x is dumb.
<attila_lendvai>i get a "In procedure symlink: File Exists" very early in the boot on a VPS that i `guix deploy`. does it ring a bell for anyone?
<attila_lendvai>is there a way to have command history in a guile repl that comes up when there's an error in init 1? my ultimate goal is to boot a previous config, and for that to change the grub timeout value in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, because the VPS console is too slow to catch the grub menu.
<davidl_>Hi, I have a displaylink device that should be able to work with udl and udlfb kernel drivers (this also shows up in dmesg), but Im getting an error from udev:
<davidl_>udevd[206]: specified group 'plugdev' unknown
<davidl_>I understand that Guix doesn't use the plugdev group as in Ubuntu, so what is the appropriate workaround here?
<davidl_>for context, Im trying to use an USB-VGA-165 displaylink adapter to connect a monitor via usb 2.0.
<attila_lendvai>the grub cfg is in the store, and i can't write it...
<attila_lendvai>ACTION groans
<attila_lendvai>can i change the default generation that will be booted from the early guile repl?
<gabber>attila_lendvai: you mean other than roll-back / switch-generation?
<attila_lendvai>gabber, anything that i can do from the guile repl i get very early in a failed boot
<attila_lendvai>what would help me is to initiate a soft reboot from guile, so that the browser based console display doesn't re-initialize (and miss the grub menu)
<attila_lendvai>*also help
<attila_lendvai>if i ,q the guile debugger, then i get a kernel panic screen, and i cannot send a CTRL+ALT+DEL to the VPS
<attila_lendvai>can't use the glibc reboot function, because it's not defined at that point, as per (dynamic-func "reboot" (dynamic-link))