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<NewUser-Basic-Qu>Hi...playing with sway. Wanted to try some modding. if i check wm.scm i see that sway version is 1.6.1 and has sha256 (base32 " 0j4sdbsrlvky1agacc0pcz9bwmaxjmrapjnzscbd2i0cria2fc5j").. My assumption was if i download the 1.6.1 version via guix download <source> i will see the base32 but i do not. Waht am i missing?

<pkill9>is guix system usable on raspberry pi yet?

<gnucode>pkill9: what's your use case?

<pkill9>use as a NAS

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>google DNS does not resolve git.savannah.gnu.org

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>tried "nslookup git.savannah.gnu.org 8.8.8.8" and get a servefail

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>ok....works again...

<jgart[m]>Would anybody like to suggest better examples than these for match-lambda? https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pattern-Matching.html#index-match_002dlambda

<practical-friend>"Pattern Matching (Guile Reference Manual)" https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pattern-Matching.html#index-match_002dlambda

<jgart[m]>I feel like we can do better than that for an example of match-lambda

<jgart[m]>pkill9 not sure but it's useable on a ppp: https://git.sr.ht/~abcdw/guix-pinephonepro

<practical-friend>"~abcdw/guix-pinephonepro -

<pkill9>coool

<jgart[m]>I think there will probably need some work to be done to create a config for sway similar to the sxmo one but using rde APIs for sway? abcdw_

<jgart[m]>singpolyma: would be cool to get this into guix: https://github.com/purescm/purescm/

<practical-friend>"GitHub - purescm/purescm: Scheme backend for PureScript (a small strongly, statically typed programming language with expressive types, inspired by Haskell)." https://github.com/purescm/purescm

<mirai>jgart[m]: IMO what makes the examples subpar is that it immediately starts off with one that is "hard on the eyes"

<jgart[m]>it compiles to chez

<mirai>matching a list within a list containing a symbol

<jgart[m]>mirai: I just think that is the worst example I have ever seen of trying to explain something

<mirai>perhaps a match that does strings, numbers, list of strings and numbers is a better way to kick things off

<jgart[m]>it's unnecessarily convoluted

<mirai>and a more elaborate one towards the end

<mirai>agree

<jgart[m]>that is not the way people normally use match-lambda

<jgart[m]>it's terrible

<mirai>I was also befuddled the first time I read it (even the simple match example is way too convoluted IMO)

<mirai>match-lambda also comes with a neat surprise

<jgart[m]>there so many elegant examples that could have been demonstrated for match-lambda

<mirai>docstrings don't work :)

<jgart[m]>it feels like an april fool's joke of an example

<mirai>you'll get mystery error messages

<jgart[m]>docstrings are broken for other guile code also

<mirai>😂

<jgart[m]>the convention in those situations is to think of scheme to be as dumb as C

<jgart[m]>you just write a comment above the thing like c

<mirai>prime bikeshed window

<jgart[m]>atleast that's what I've seen people doing when docstrings are broken on the object

<mirai>do you place it before or after the 'define' ?

<jgart[m]>before

<jgart[m]>I've seen it before

<jgart[m]>but not sure if that's a hard rule

<jgart[m]>just empirical

<mirai>but then the comment doesn't accompany the code and it's liable to be orphaned over time!

<mvnx>Using `guix home` - any idea why the environment variable doesn't get passed through, for example, `alias v="$VISUAL"` equivalent for this config (doesn't set it properly) https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cdc0cd81/

<practical-friend>"Debian Pastezone" https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cdc0cd81

<jgart[m]>mirai ya not sure what we do about that

<mirai>mvnx: I think the manual covers about some helpers that care about $ interpretation

<jgart[m]>guix home describe could use json output like guix describe has

<mirai>failing that, scheme code always works

<jgart[m]>would be cool to add

<jgart[m]>on my TODO list

<mirai>(let ((...)) ... (assoc-ref ... ))

<jgart[m]>but feel free to take it off my list ;()

<jgart[m]>there's no way to uninstall guix home

<jgart[m]>I've been procrastinating fixing that

<mvnx>mirai: Thanks I'll try to dig for that. And the Scheme helps too - new to this

<jgart[m]>If you install guix home on an alien distro then it's a mess to uninstall it

<jgart[m]>s/alien/foreign

<jgart[m]>there's an ml thread open for this issue

<jgart[m]>somewhere in the Mailman jungle iirc

<jgart[m]>mvnx: actually i had a similar issue today with EDITOR

<jgart[m]>let me try something and reconfigure now that I just thought about

<mvnx>I think I want the `environment-variables` to apply before `aliases` in `home-bash-configuration`. I haven't dug into the source yet

<mirai>jgart[m]: I've been dumping some ideas about guix at https://makinata.eu/drafts/guix/

<mirai>pretty much all of them are still WIPs

<jgart[m]>it's terrible to press e in nnn and get terrible nano which i don't even know how to exit out of...

<mirai>s/ideas/ideas & pain points

<jgart[m]>mirai: cool

<jgart[m]>you have more discipline than I do since I usually dump them on #guix and then forget about them

<jgart[m]>i think busfactor is a real thing for guix and guile: https://makinata.eu/drafts/guix/busfactor.php

<jgart[m]>organizing to spread the knowledge about internals of both would be amazing but very ambitious

<jgart[m]>extremely ambitious for guile internals to say the least

<jgart[m]>but I am still interested in that

<jgart[m]>and pursue what I can at my pace

<jgart[m]>mirai: I just got a nice config going for sway on guix system: https://git.sr.ht/~whereiseveryone/confetti

<practical-friend>"~whereiseveryone/confetti -

<jgart[m]>thanks to unwox and unmatched-paren who I stole a ton of code from ;()

<jgart[m]>still don't have wlgreet working with greetd on tty1 though but that's ok.

<jgart[m]>I want to start porting some of this perl code to common lisp gexp based scripts for practice: https://github.com/pflanze/chj-scripts/search?l=perl

<practical-friend>"Search · · GitHub" https://github.com/pflanze/chj-scripts/search?l=perl

<jgart[m]>there are some gems there

<jgart[m]>not ruby

<mirai>interesting

<mirai>there's quite a lot here

<mvnx>I use-modules `(gnu packages vim)` which defines `neovim`. Is there a way I can get the binary name, or at least it's primary `out` path, from that? I'm sure it's documented but I don't know the keywords for what I'm trying to do.

<bjc>it doesn't have a path until it's built

<jgart[m]>mvnx: you can use a gexp to get the binary name

<jgart[m]>depends the context in which you need that binary name

<mvnx>I was still experimenting with this `$VISUAL` thing - probably not needed. I'm brand new to all of this just trying to get a working system primarily so maybe I'll focus on that and then dig deeper into Guile and more advanced things here.

<jgart[m]>one thing you can do is just focus on learning the package manager first

<jgart[m]>learn how to package and contribute packages, updates, etc.

<jgart[m]>on any foreign distro

<jgart[m]>of your choosing

<jgart[m]>that's what I did the first two years

<mvnx>I have been getting started yeah. I packed a few missing rust dependencies and upgraded a few that built locally. Contributing is a short-term goal.

<mvnx>I have some software I want :P

<jgart[m]>what's the long term goal?

<jgart[m]>if you don't mind sharing

<next4th>hello :)

<jgart[m]>hi

<next4th>so debbugs is working again, good..

<jgart[m]>that should be debbugs' project slogan

<next4th>um, i don't get the humor point, but there must be some in your words. lol

<mvnx>jgart[m]: I'd like to learn to understand my Guix system very well and actually learn Guile (I've wanted to learn a Lisp for a long time). It seems things are still a bit early so it's a good opportunity to contribute while I learn. It's difficult to paint a long term goal but if I'm contributing new packages or updates for things I need then I

<mvnx>would continue to maintain them. If I learn more Guile, maybe I could contribute in other ways. It's been surprisingly easy to create and update packages locally given I have zero Lisp background and just starting to explore with Guix.

<next4th>mvnx: that's good to hear!

<Guest19>does anyone else having dns problems with gnu?

<ichernyshovvv[m]>Yeah, I can not connect

<minima>yeah, same here

<minima>up again for me now?

<Guest19>on my side it is still not reachable

<cel7t>Yeah I can't connect to issues.guix.gnu.org either

<cel7t>By the way, the default installation has a broken notification icon on XFCE

<cel7t>Any idea how to fix this?

<next4th>use elementary-xfce-icon-theme may fix icons on Xfce

<cel7t>we should probably package this with the default XFCE package

<cel7t>Is there a mirror for issues.guix.gnu.org?

<next4th>i don't think there is a mirror, and looks it's unreadble due to DNS died...

<next4th>maybe it's time looking into gnunet-dns :)

<apollo>is guix.gnu.org down?

<next4th>gnu.org and its subdomains are unreachable for me (from China), with unresolved address, well add '185.233.100.56 guix.gnu.org' to /etc/hosts does the trick...

<lilyp>there is actually a china mirror IIRC

<apollo>I'm getting a 'Gnu.org is DOWN for everyone.' at isitdownrightnow.com, I'm in EU rn

<cel7t>Does anyone know the IP address of the issues subdomain?

<cel7t>It's definitely a DNS issue

<cel7t>We should also perhaps try and setup an onion link for the Guix site

<mragkousis>I am also getting a dns error, and came here to confirm I am not alone

<apollo>Yeah, can't even use guix to install packages rn, even if i'm using the github mirror

<cel7t>Hmm interesting I can access gnu.org over tor but not the Guix site

<mragkousis>gnu.org also works normally

<mragkousis>now

<cel7t>I wish Guix had an onionsite too

<cel7t>they are more resilient to DNS issues

<sarg>hi guix. Is there some status page for guix on a non-gnu domain? It seems that *.gnu.org is not responding and unfortunately there is no way to find out what's the deal. lists/issues/ci/irc logs/substitutes - everything is on gnu.org

<sarg>anyone has NS addresses for gnu.org?

<janneke>sarg: https://hostux.social/@fsfstatus

<practical-friend>"FSF Out of Band Updates (@fsfstatus@hostux.social) - Mastodon Hostux" https://hostux.social/@fsfstatus

<sarg>janneke thx

<sarg>is there a substitutes server hosted outside of gnu.org?

<mirai>o/

<sarg>found one from cbaines

<cbaines>sarg, that's probably old, I don't current run one personally

<sarg>that's fine, I've got what I needed

<mirai>yhetil.org has some ML mirrors

<mirai>and ML<->IMAP/NNTP/...

<civodul>hello! what's the status with DNS?

<civodul>tip of the day: --substitute-urls=https://141.80.181.40

<practical-friend>Exception: #<&compound-exception components: (#<&error> #<&origin origin: host-mismatch> #<&message message: #<x509-certificate 7fd453a0de60>> #<&irritants irritants: "141.80.181.40"> #<&exception-with-kind-and-args kind: tls-certificate-error args: (host-mismatch #<x509-certificate 7fd453a0de60> "141.80.181.40")>)> https://141.80.181.40

<janneke>yeah, that's helpful

<mirai>cel7t: an onionsite sounds interesting

<mirai>perhaps with an eepsite as well

<mirai>incidentally, that reminds me that I've yet to rework the tor service in guix

<cbaines>I'm not quite sure what's wrong where with the DNS, I don't seem to be able to resolve the domains for the GNU nameservers

<alanz>me too. Neither guix update nore gnu elpa

<janneke> https://mastodon.social/@amszmidt/110083210377407192

<practical-friend>"Alfred M. Szmidt: "@fsfstatus@hostux.social can you make a list of I…" - Mastodon" https://mastodon.social/@amszmidt/110083210377407192

<civodul>the last toot at @fsfstatus@hostux.social was almost 23h ago :-/

<civodul>s/almost//

<janneke>yeah, terrible

<mirai>I stole this msg from #gnu: https://tumbleweed.nu/tmp/gnu-hosts.text

<madand>hello, I jut tried to guix pull and got this:

<madand>guix pull: error: Git error: failed to resolve address for git.savannah.gnu.org: Temporary failure in name resolution

<madand>could this be a problem on my side?

<madand>ah, navermind. seems to work now.

<next4th>madand: not your side, there have some dns problem for gnu hosts. you can try add those hosts manauly in /etc/hosts with https://tumbleweed.nu/tmp/gnu-hosts.text

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>DNS resolution for gnu.guix.org unstable...at least until 5 minuets ago

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>anyway...hi all

<next4th>Hello :)

<madand>next4th: thanks for the hosts file, added to mine

<futurile>happy weekend guixers!

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>Question: I want toexperiment with packages a bit. Therefore i took sway-package from wm.scm and tried to mod it. First thing was i thought i use "guix download" to check base32 of existing configuration. Seems i am not able to fetch a sway 1.6.1 Version that has base32 "0j4sdbsrlvky1agacc0pcz9bwmaxjmrapjnzscbd2i0cria2fc5j". What am i doing

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>wrong? As reference: https://controlc.com/e0c8bc91

<practical-friend>"guix sway config - e0c8bc91" https://controlc.com/e0c8bc91

<mirai>what's the problem?

<next4th>it's a 'git-fetch' which can't be fetched/checked via 'guix download' iirc, you can do 'git clone ...; git checkout 1.6.1; guix hash -xr ...' instead.

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>next4th , oki oki oki ....thanks so much...

<mirai>looks like things are working again?

<janneke>ACTION receives some email again

<NewUser-Basic-Qu>next4th https://controlc.com/83abcd82 thanks so much

<practical-friend>"okidoki... - 83abcd82" https://controlc.com/83abcd82

<next4th>glad to be helpful :)

<Hasnep[m]>Hi everyone, quick question, does anyone have any experience using a DE installed through Guix on a foreign distro? Does anything break, anything I need to be aware of, or should I just stick to installing a DE through my system's package manager? I'm thinking of Sway particularly, but if people have experience with other DEs that'd be good to know too. Thanks :)

<madand>I'm too contemplating setting up my new maching with Devuan as the kernel+zfs+drivers only. And having all the other user-level tools (Pipewire, Sway, Emacs ...) managed with Guix. Has anyone tried having Wayland, Sway and Pipewire installed via Guix on a foreign distro like that?

<mekeor[m]>y not use guix system? *ducks*

<next4th>madand: if guix's mesa support your video card (means a intel one) well, then i think there should be no problem.

<unmatched-paren>hello, guix :)

<cel7t>hello unmatched-paren

<unmatched-paren>feedback still needed for https://issues.guix.gnu.org/62356 :)

<practical-friend>Exception: #<&compound-exception components: (#<&external-error> #<&irritants irritants: (-11)> #<&exception-with-kind-and-args kind: getaddrinfo-error args: (-11)>)> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/62356

<unmatched-paren>huh?

<unmatched-paren> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/62356 <- no, this one is [PATCH guix-artwork] website: posts: Add Dissecting Guix, Part 3: G-Expressions.

<unmatched-paren>>:(

<unmatched-paren>aaaanyway yeah i'd like some feedback on that post, whatever issue number it uses...

<unmatched-paren>#62356 will this work?

<unmatched-paren>practical-friend: nooo come back!

<dcunit3d>i'm getting a issue similar to #56012, where guix pull fails when building the package-cache

<dcunit3d>it's having issues with a guixrus package python-interrogate

<dcunit3d>i've got the gnu DNS configured statically for now

<dcunit3d>but i can't seem to run guix pull with that package

<dcunit3d> https://0x0.st/HoSL.drv

<dcunit3d>i haven't tried using guix time-machine yet

<jpoiret>dcunit3d: this should be reported to that channel

<janneke>ACTION runs guix home reconfigure

<ds-ac>Hi. I am new to guix and am having trouble getting my smartcard to work (fresh GuixOS installation). I have added the pcscd service to my configuration and have reconfigured my system. When trying to decrypt something, gpg uses the correct key, but fails with "decryption failed: No secret key". I first thought that gpg could not find any pinentry program, so I added "pinentry-program $(which

<ds-ac>pinentry-qt)" to gpg-agent.conf, without success

<ds-ac>Does any of you have an idea of additionnal steps I should take ?

<old>I'm trying to use rofi-wayland

<old>I get this error

<old>Rofi on wayland requires support for the layer shell protocol

<old>then it crashes

<old>rofi-wayland is part of my home-configuration. I 've also added gtx-layer-shell

<old>any idea?

<jpoiret>ds-ac: is the gpg-agent started?

<jpoiret>it needs to be started with the proper DISPLAY (or WAYLAND_DISPLAY) env variable so that the pinentry program can launch properly

<ds-ac>jpoiret: It was indeed the issue. Thank you :)

<ds-ac>I should have thought of that ^^

<jpoiret>happy to have found that :p

<guixfren>hi, does anyone have an idea why I can't access any gnu urls?

<guixfren>guix pull fails

<guixfren>and I can't access gnu.org or any other gnu website in the browser either

<rhododendrox>afik there are some problems with dns

<rhododendrox>afaik*

<Guest19>complete gnu was down since they had DNS issues but it works now again. Maybe you need to restart since you get cached results or something?

<guixfren>looks like it

<civodul>guixfren: for possible solutions, check out https://toot.aquilenet.fr/@civodul/110083670202946166

<Guest19>normally libGLX_mesa.so.0 is in the package mesa but not on Guix. Which package does provide it?

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