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<Luk6655>looks like /var is the localstatedir by default <Luk6655>however, unfortunately the installer failed half way... and now of course I can't re-run it unless I cleanup everything it did manually... unless there is an uninstaller, perhaps? <apteryx>Luk6655: uninstalling should be as easy as 'rm -rf /gnu /var/guix' <Luk6655>perhaps it is different on different distros, for me it is _for_sure_ /var/guix <Luk6655>apteryx: unfortunately before it failed it managed to create all its users and services. I suppose if I don't clean those up manually it will fail on subsequent rerun <apteryx>ah right, the distribution may have a differen value for it, but GNU standards mention it should be /usr/local/var, and this is what Autotools chooses by default <Luk6655>have a look in the manual, please, also the install script has it hardcoded as /var <Luk6655>we are talking about localstatedir, right? <apteryx>Luk6655: I don't think it'll fail, I've tested the installer with multiple runs in a row before, and simply wiping the above directories was enough <apteryx>if you're talking about guix-install.sh <Luk6655>it is line 344 in guix-install.sh that puts it in /var/guix <Luk6655>btw, the manual says to run the install script as root, does this mean with sudo, or logged in as root? <Luk6655>I've run it via sudo and it failed when I answered yes to authorise binary downloads, it failed to find substitute keys <Luk6655>ok, I know what happened, I had /gnu and /var/guix in the fstab (not mounted) prepared to copy the store and localstatedir to other partitions later. When it installed the service and mounted /gnu/store it must have mounted those entries in fstab overwriting the default profile it placed in the localstatedir. That's why it failed to find the keys <Luk6655>it seemed to have finished sucefully on rerun afet I wiped those folders <Luk6655>has anyone seen guix pull to fail like this: guix pull: error: bind: Permission denied ? (this is first guix pull after installing on a foreign distro) <pkill9>Luk6655: possibly something owned by root in I believe ~/.cache/guix/<something> as a result of running a guix commadn as root with sudo <pkill9>possibly ~/.cache/guix/checkouts <pkill9>run ls -l ~/.cache/guix/checkouts and see <Luk6655>I'm just running guix pull via sudo to see if it works like this <Luk6655>pkill9: have you used guix on a foregn distro? If yes, I wonder if you installed via sudo or logged in as root <Luk6655>the manual just says: run it as root <Luk6655>so I have run it via sudo, but now I think I should've logged in as root <pkill9>well have you checked that directory I mentioned? <Luk6655>I did just now, everything in it is owned by my normal user <Luk6655>perhaps one needs to run the first guix pull as root too? <Luk6655>bind suggests it was trying to bind to a network socket for some reason <pkill9>may be bind- mountinga directory <Luk6655>I'm retrying without channels.scm so it only pulls from guix <Luk6655>should guix pull be mounting anything ? <Luk6655>also the install script said something about it being recommended to install my distro's name service... perhaps it's absence has something to do with it? <Luk6655>no, it fails exactly the same when pulling from the default guix channel
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<apteryx>Kabouik: arg... seems I made another mistake <apteryx>Kabouik: should be fixed with 0a92a64e59, apologies for the trouble! <apteryx>(i.e., try guix pull now, it should be fixed) <Kabouik>Oh cool, so that was not on my end! That's hard to believe, I have been struggling with these packages all night and suddenly when I finally get them working, there's an issue elsewhere that's not my fault! I didn't even consider that, I was trying to find what was wrong again in my packages. :p <zamfofex>Would you look at that?! I (kinda) did it! <apteryx>ah, this is cool. if you have virt-viewer installed in your user profile and pass the '-display spice-app' arguments to the qemu (or run-vm.sh) script, it launches in virt-viewer. <zamfofex>sneek: later tell civodul: I was able to set up a simple substitute server for the Hurd! 🎉 <https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oXINsH6b/substitutes.png> For now, it only provides Hello with those tests disabled, but that should be enough to allow people to skip much of the bootstrapping process when trying it out, I feel. Also, I assume you’re partaking on the birthday event, so I enjoy it (or have enjoyed it)! 🎉 <vivien>Dear guix, I had to install evolution-data-server in my profile to get evolution to run. It did not remember any of my configured accounts, and when I tried to create a new one, I got a message box with something like The name org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Sources5 was not provided by any .service files <vivien>I grepped for that file in my store, found out it was provided by evolution-data-server, installed that to my profile, and i got my accounts back.
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<cbaines>is anyone watching the 10 years event livestream? <cbaines>thanks goes to the people doing the video and who setup the livestream! <jpoiret>Kabouik: :configure-flags takes a list of arguments, here you're just supplying one that's the concatenation of all the strings you wrote down <Kabouik>So it should be (list "--enable-login" (string-append ...))? <jpoiret>i suggest (list "--enable-login" (string-append "--with-plugindir=" (assoc-ref %outputs "out") "/lib/sasl2")) <Kabouik>Let's try. I hope it works, I'm stuck with Outlook Web App since days because of that, the pain is real <sneek>Welcome back xelxebar, you have 1 message!
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<polyex>guix fast and secure enough to use on a server? <polyex>high traffic sites, ecommerce, stuff like that <Kabouik>That worked jpoiret. :] I'll update the patch #57021 later today. <unwox>polyex: guix should be as fast as any other distribution in this regard. not so sure about security though <Unthahorsten>What is the recommanded way to deploy and use packages builded by GUIX on a closed cluster without neither open network, nor GUIX nor root access and only through a shared directory ? <rekado>Unthahorsten: on our HPC cluster we host Guix like this: a high-availability NFS file server that exposes /gnu/store and /var/guix to all cluster nodes; the active node on the file server runs guix-daemon, which listens for connections from cluster nodes on TCP. <rekado>other cluster nodes mount /gnu/store and /var/guix from main server, set GUIX_DAEMON_SOCKET to guix://<server>:1234, and talk to the daemon there. <rekado>when installing packages a cluster node really just tells the main server what to do and then sees the packages in the shared /gnu/store <rekado>only one server needs to have root permissions: the main server needs to have permissions to host /gnu/store and export over NFS; and it needs root to run guix-daemon. <Unthahorsten>Thanks, I cannot mount to /gnu/store I have another mount point, and I cannot install guix on the cluster. Is there a way to still use packages binaries ? <Luk6655>you can generate a binary tarball that contains all dependencies, or a docker image <Luk6655>there is also --relocatable option so those binaries can be run without root (this is what I would use) <Unthahorsten>Thanks very interesting ! But I dont have user namespace :( <rekado>without user namespaces you can use a different backend, such as the proot backend <rekado>it’s slower, but still allows you to run relocatable applications <rekado>“guix pack” generates archives that you unpack anywhere and then use. <rekado>it’s not the preferred way of using Guix, because there’s no sharing. <Luk6655>that's what the --relocatable option is for, so the resulting tarball canbe unpacked anywhere on the filesystem (although I never used it myself) <rekado>I used it for deploying web applications to a system where I don’t have Guix <rekado>it works fine, but obviously having a full Guix installation on the target is much more flexible.
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<Kabouik>Thank you for pushing shirah cbaines! That was my first accepted patch. :] <tschilptschilp23>Hi guix! Is it possible to add a channel definition right into a manifest to be used with 'guix shell -m MANIFEST.scm'? <lechner>Hi, i know how to create derivative packages via inherit, but i use a new package name. how can i allow my patched package to use the original name in the package name space, please? *tschilptschilp23 thinks to have found a use-case for 'guix time-machine' *abcdw is trying to fix super key handling problem in emacs-next-pgtk <TopExpert>why does this Guile code work (set-difference '("one" "two") '("one" "one")), but not this? (set-difference %base-initrd-modules '("ahci")) <TopExpert>looks like a bug to me, but is it something specific to Guix? <TopExpert>(use-modules (gnu)) to get %base-initrd-modules <TopExpert>is it just for me set-difference isn't working? <TopExpert>I tried, (lset-difference) (lset-difference!), none work on the %base-initrd-modules variable, the only thing that works is (delete "ahci" (delete "xyz" (delete "three" %base-initrd-modules)) <jpoiret>lechner: I don't really understand what you mean by "use the original name"? If you inherit from another package, you'll also inherit the name field <jpoiret>TopExpert: where did you find set-difference? I only could find lset-difference in (srfi sfri-1) <jpoiret>note that lset-difference needs an equality predicate <TopExpert>yes (lset-difference eqv? %base-initrd-modules '("ahci")) not working <TopExpert>wondering if my system is messed up or something <jpoiret>TopExpert: that module doesn't seem to be documented in the Guile 3 docs <TopExpert>yeah kind of running into all corner cases as usual <oriansj>well thank goodness, we need people to hit those corner cases so that we know about what we missed. <jpoiret>TopExpert: eqv? will not check for string equality <TopExpert>jpoiret: even with (lset-difference eq?), it doesn't work for me <TopExpert>jpoiret: they look like strings, I checked with (class-of (car %initrd-modules)) <jpoiret>eq?, eqv? and equal? have different behaviour depending on the specific object you're looking at <jpoiret>your first example works because of common subexpression elimination (most likely), since all the strings will only be computed once and thus will be actually equal through eq? and eqv? <oriansj>the functional differences between them is for performance reasons and generally most of them should be avoided if you don't know what you are doing. <TopExpert>yep, trying to learn guile on the go while configuring Guix <tschilptschilp23>I'm just trying to run 'guix time-machine -C my_channel.scm -- guix shell -m testmanifest.scm', but get the answer "guix: guix: command not found\nhint: Did you mean `git'?". Do I want too much, or am I using a wrong approach? What I want is to create an environment as defined in 'testmanifest.scm', but with package versions from an earlier commit. 'my_channel.scm' contains http://paste.debian.net/1254070. 'testmanifest.scm' con <flypaper-ultimat>tschilptschilp23: after the -- of time-machine you dont need to type guix again <apteryx>are the /var/guix/drvs logs ever cleaned up? <dthompson>hey the 10 years of guix livestream is awesome thank you!! <dthompson>I'm in the US so I miss a lot before I can tune in but I caught pjotr's talk and it was great <apteryx>agreed! there's also the ##guix10years channel in case you missed it <Kabouik>What is the recommended way to use printers on Guix? I have the cups service running, installed system-config-printer and from there set up a printer, but I am getting https://0x0.st/oOYB.png when trying to print a test page. <Kabouik>I know printers are not easy to set up on some distributions, I don't know if Guix is one of them <dirtcastle>After installation finally my first full system configuration just completed. I just wanted to say I'm so happy. <tschilptschilp23>Kabouik: I remember an issue like that, and it turned out to be gnome -- have you tried printing a real document already? <Kabouik>Unfortunately no, real documents don't seem to arrive in the job list of the printer <Kabouik>Self test pages work, though. Weird. <tschilptschilp23>Printers are quite of a miracle to me anyway, so I guess I'm not the best consultant on that. At a certain point things started to work nicely, but in the meantime my printer itself died. Which reminds me, that I actually need a new one. To be able to co-battle on this topic again... <Kabouik>The `lp` program could perhaps help debugging by sending files to the printer from CLI but we don't have it in Guix <Kabouik>I got to go, I have to give up on that for now. *abcdw found out that bin/ffplay is missing in ffmpeg@4 <lechner>jpoiret: will my customized package replace the original as an input elsewhere even if i assigned a new variable name to it ("define-public")? <ulfvonbelow>readlink -f $(which lp) => /gnu/store/4g8fi4ii4ikdbfns46cd1a21bpx32fi5-cups-2.3.3op2/bin/lp <lechner>unmatched-paren: thanks, is there a way? <lechner>hi, i am trying to test an updated package definition in git but ./bootstrap cannot find autopoint. what is the proper fix, please? <lechner>okay, i am supposed to run guix environment guix --pure first, right? <apteryx>my system seems to be confusing user ids for a service <apteryx>/var/lib/gdm is owned by id 955, group 967, which no longer exist <apteryx>and it contains entries owned by the opendht user (I used the opendht-service-type before). <apteryx>it seems to recycle old user IDs that are no longer active on my system <lechner>Hi, and then outside 'guix environment' ./pre-inst-env guix build xkeyboard-config does not use my new package definition (i can tell from the version) while inside 'guix environment' the same command results in this error: ./pre-inst-env: line 55: exec: guix: cannot execute: Is a directory What am I doing wrong, please? <morganw>apteryx: I think if you remove and re-add gdm is will break for that reason, because the permissions for logging will likely be wrong. I think there was an open issue about how to handle user IDs but the solution wasn't clear. <ulfvonbelow>lechner: that sounds quite strange! What does `./pre-inst-env sh -c 'echo $PATH'` say? <mbakke>libgc segfaults when booting a 'guix system vm' from core-updates <ulfvonbelow>it looks like scripts/guix probably hasn't been created from scripts/guix.in yet. That's done when you run "make". If you try running './pre-inst-env guix ...' before you run "make" for the first time, it'll look for ./scripts/guix, not find it, and try looking for ./guix instead (because that's the next entry in PATH that pre-inst-env adds), but that's actually a directory. <ulfvonbelow>lechner: have you run './configure --localstatedir=/var' and 'make' yet? <lechner>ulfvonbelow: i see you already found the problem above. thanks! <lechner>unmatched-paren: there should be a way to replace an offical package with my own <ulfvonbelow>lechner: if you're using a local checkout, you could just directly substitute it in the code. Give your package definition the same name and delete the other one. <ulfvonbelow>alternatively, if you just want to "try it and see" without having to delete the original, you can use package transformations wherever you want it replaced, e.g. 'guix build <somepackage> --with-input=<original-package>=<my-modified-package>' will build <somepackage> with every occurrence of <original-package> replaced with <my-modified-package>. <lechner>ulfvonbelow: I would like to add a custom layout to xkeyboard-config but do not think the modification is necessarily interesting for others. Can I make the change locally?
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<lechner>hi, building guix from Git i see warnings like ;;; no code for module (semver ranges) is that expected? <ulfvonbelow>lechner: changes made locally (by editing the file in the git repository) won't affect others' versions <ulfvonbelow>according to secton 2.2 of the manual, guile-semver is an optional dependency necessary only for the 'crate' importer <lechner>ulfvonbelow: thanks for the semver answer <lechner>ulfvonbelow: i would like to use a custom keyboard layout but not necessarily a custom version of guix <ulfvonbelow>in that case, you'd need to tell xorg to use your custom xkeyboard-config package. You can do that by setting your xorg-configuration (via the set-xorg-configuration service in your system configuration) to have the 'xorg' field point to an xorg that's been transformed by replacing its xkeyboard-config input with your custom package. You would also need to define your custom xkeyboard-config outside of the guix repository, either in a <ulfvonbelow>channel to be used by 'guix pull' or somewhere GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH can find it or somewhere you specify with -L on the command line <ulfvonbelow>you'll want to look at package-input-rewriting in section 9.3 "Defining Package Variants" of the manual, and at set-xorg-configuration and the xorg-configuration record type in section 12.9.7 "X Window" of the manual <lechner>ulfvonbelow: thanks for those hints! do i have to do something else for grub or console? <ulfvonbelow>that's a bit tricky. keyboard-layout->console-keymap in (gnu system keyboard) does accept an optional keyword argument to specify the xkeyboard-config package to use, but where it's called in (gnu bootloader grub) and (gnu system linux-initrd) it doesn't pass along any argument. <ulfvonbelow>because it's evaluated at the time the procedure is called, however, there is probably a cheeky solution you can use: in your system's config.scm, just add (set! xkeyboard-config my-xkeyboard-config), where my-xkeyboard-config is your custom package's scheme variable name. <ulfvonbelow>it might be good for a <keyboard-layout> to be able to specify an xkeyboard-config package <lechner>ulfvonbelow: thanks for that pointer. my skills right now are probably too low to add an argument or named field for the package, but i will try <Cairn>Is there a way to source an earlier substitute, if the current substitute failed? <Cairn>Like, would time-machine use the earlier substitute if I found the right commit? <apteryx>OK, my gdm issue is definitely a permission issue <ulfvonbelow>lechner: adding an extra field for <keyboard-layout> would require modifying guix, so probably best not to worry about it right now as long as the workaround with set! works <lechner>ulfvonbelow: okay. thanks so much for your help today! <apteryx>there's already some logic to straighten permissions, but it only kicks in if /var/lib/gdm has the wrong permissions, which is not the case here <apteryx>it also would only fix the directories, not files anyway <apteryx>ok, no, it would have fixed directories + files <mubarak>I would like to ask a question. I installed multible packages"guix install vlc qbittorrent icecat hexchat", because of slow internet speed, guix start downloading icecat source code and started compiling. when I compile with my laptop(Core i3) it start freezing. I waited for it for almost four hours and it didn't finish compiling icecat. Every time <mubarak>I want to install icecat it start compiling. So my question is how to make guix download and install only binary packages and never compile a package? sometimes I'am in hurry and I cant wait 2 days to compile one package. <lechner>ulfvonbelow: now i think i need some help with my fonts. which codepoint did you send, please? <zamfofex>mubarak: Usually, if there are substitutes available, it’ll prefer downloading them instead of compiling the packages from source. <mubarak>zamfofex, is there any option i should specify to guix so it search for substitutes only? <ulfvonbelow>codepoint 128077 (dec) / #x1f44d (hex), name: THUMBS UP SIGN <zamfofex>mubarak: What do you get when you type ‘guix describe’? I’m not sure if you can request for it to only use substitutes for packages. <ulfvonbelow>make sure to check the manual application notes for fonts (section 2.6.3 "X11 Fonts") <lechner>Hi, is it okay two send two patches to -patches in one message if the second is only for style? <Cairn>Rush packaging is wild. I'm just going down the dependency chain and breaking things, just got bump a version <lechner>Hi, is it okay to ignore this lint comment, please? gnu/packages/xorg.scm:3894:19: firstname.lastname@example.org: label 'gettext' does not match package name 'gettext-minimal' <lechner>Hi, what can I do about this, please? gnu/packages/xorg.scm:3884:12: email@example.com: source not archived on Software Heritage and missing from the Disarchive database <podiki[m]>source not archived message you can ignore (is informational, I think might trigger a fetch to be archived automatically?) <apteryx>lechner: about labels, you could remove them entirely for xkeyboard-config <podiki[m]>you can make that string shorter by using the name field (instead of writing out xkeyboard-config) <podiki[m]>and yes, you can remove the labels to the new style, much nicer :) <apteryx>gdm works after making /var/lib/gdm a tmpfs <apteryx>could someone tell me if it remembers their session correctly? for me, it alawys defaults to the first session available in the gear icons <polyex>any infosec researchers use guix? curious how its security potential is compared to other distros <apteryx>hm, perhaps because I do not use GNOME as a whole <lechner>Hi, how can I add the %xorg-updater to the package definition for xkeyboard-config, please? <jpoiret>polyex: i'm not sure there are many different pros and cons compared to other distros, except for the clearer chain of trust and being source based <polyex>ok so basically same as other distros, cool <lechner>apteryx podiki[m]: hi, about labels, just drop the quasiquoters and use a straight list as is done elsewhere? <apteryx>if there are non "out" outputs involved, then they'll have to be like `(,glib "bin), for example <apteryx>and you'll have a lint warning again, which you can ignore this time... <gnucode>gnome-clocks is not starting for me... <GNUtoo>I had to do a hack to be able to start it from kdm <gnucode>GNUtoo: do you wanna try 'guix package -i gnome-clocks; gnome clocks;' <gnucode> Couldn't open libGLESv2.so.2: libGLESv2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <GNUtoo>I've a multi-boot system and right now I'm booted on Parabola with Guix on top, would that help? <GNUtoo>I can reboot if needed but it'll take a bit of time <jpoiret>gnucode: are you on Guix system? How is gnome-clocks installed? <gnucode> commit: a7af25ad313bbc10d42801c48cd16dfda53290a1 <gnucode>jpoiret: I just did a 'guix install gnome-clocks' <GNUtoo>On top of Parabola that doesn't make that error, though I'm not sure what it's supposed to do <GNUtoo>I'll reboot at some point and try that in Guix
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<jpoiret>gnucode: libGLES missing seems weird <jpoiret>i'm not very up to speed with how openGL should be loaded though, I know there are some libglvnd shenanigans on top of the already hard to understand mesa <jpoiret>but it isn't surprising given that error message that it works well on parabola: it just loads the host's .so file <gnucode>jpoiret: my computer only supports openGL 1. Not 2. I wonder if that is the issue. <gnucode>at least I think it doesn't support GL2. I've got a thinkpad T400. *GNUtoo needs to rest, I'll try to test later <GNUtoo>(even T400 is supposed to support GLES AFAIK, otherwise a lot of things woudn't work) *GNUtoo only had issues with some games with an X200 <GNUtoo>gnucode: did you try not to use guix package -i but add it in the system.scm instead? <polyex>biggest guix server installation known of? <rekado>we have a couple of really big deployments at HPC centers <polyex>more looking for public facing stuff powering web sites <rekado>it’s ~25 servers and serves substitutes to all Guix users. <polyex>im wondering what it's like to run a large fleet of servers for a public web site. how it handles varied loads, network attacks, how deployment/cm/monitoring and all that stuff are <polyex>as compared to like RHEL and BSD's <polyex>i think the declarative nature of guix could make it amazing for that <rekado>I don’t see any difference between Guix and RHEL in terms of reliability for serving web stuff. <polyex>and nothing about guix that could maybe make its security worse? <polyex>seems like a linux distro is just whatever stuff is bundled with the kernel, so all you really need to start is the kernel (librelinux, deblobbed ofc) the declarative system manager (guix) and a system config to feed into it <mbakke>apteryx: awesome that you upstreamed the CMake certificate patch :-)