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## 2021-12-25.log

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<mala>Kolev, is it building it locally? If you type "guix weather icecat" you can see whether there is a substitution available that should be downloadable
<aasdfsdf>How do I install latest emacs from git?
<ytc>hello everyone. i'm thinking about switching to guix from traditional distros. but i'm using hdd on my laptop and guix was terribly slow while it was booting, so i have avoided it until now.
<ytc>does it worth to buy an ssd for guix? is guix on ssd still slow compared to the other distros?
<singpolyma>ytc: could get your feet wet with foreign guix
<ytc>i am familiar with guile scheme. but boot time and lack of the ability to hibernate to an encrypted swap disk makes me think it again.
<singpolyma>I haven't run system and also my workstation is silly, so I'm not a good judge on that
<singpolyma>I know there are structural things that will always make boot a little slower, but I expect on a solid drive you won't notice too much. But I don't know for sure
<GNUtoo>hi, what is the best way to test guix on qemu arm?
<GNUtoo>Is it to reintroduce vexpress ca9x4 support?
<GNUtoo>AFAIK it was removed and re-added in u-boot
<apteryx>guix import pypi pytest-asyncio@0.8.0 perhaps?
<apteryx>hmm, I was looking at some older history; nevermind
<apteryx>GNUtoo: what do you mean by "test guix on qemu arm" ? What is vexpress ca9x4 (a kernel driver, perhaps?)
<GNUtoo>vexpress-ca9x4 is a machine (-M vexpress-a9)
<GNUtoo>*is a machine in qemu
<GNUtoo>I was wondering if there was an easy way to build an ARM image that could be booted with qemu-system-arm
<GNUtoo>and u-boot is a popular bootloader used on ARM devices
<apteryx>that would be a 'guix system image' of a Guix System operating system, but I don't think that's supported for ARM yet
<GNUtoo>It worked before
<GNUtoo>I booted it on the lime2
<apteryx>OK! Then it must still work, and perhaps you can use 'guix system --target=your-triplet image ...' to attempt cross-building the image for the target
<GNUtoo>but then it stop booting, so I was wondering if I could instead run an image in qemu to see if it worked there too, if it was the amount of RAM that make it not boot, etc
<GNUtoo>Hence my question, I want to run it in qemu not a real board
<GNUtoo>And I need to know which bootloader to use for that
<GNUtoo>And if restoring support for that vexpress-a9 makes sense or not
<apteryx>the QEMU manual says that if your exact board is not there, chances are slim that your OS will boot
<apteryx>should be cheap to try a few of the closest ones though
<GNUtoo>I'm assuming that some people use qemu for testing
<GNUtoo>So that's also why I'm asking here, for the people that know about it, what is the advised way to run Guix in qemu-system-arm
<apteryx>good question. I'm curious to know too.
<GNUtoo>Else I could just add vexpress-a9 back but it requires testing, building images, and I've already too many bug reports open in Guix
<apteryx>and there's nothing on the guix-devel archives?
<GNUtoo>I prefer to ask as things changed over time with that board
<GNUtoo>I've looked and found nothing
<opalvaults[m]>can anyone tell me how to get sway to show up in GDM loging menu? unfortunately .guix-profile/share/xsession is read-only. Any other spot that GDM checks? I've also guix system reconfigured with sway in the package list
<opalvaults[m]>so in theory it should have popped up if it was packaged with a .desktop file
<GNUtoo>I had to test that but I've some updates issues at the moment
<GNUtoo>(service gdm-service-type (gdm-configuration (debug? #t)(wayland? #t)))
<GNUtoo>You need to configure gdm with wayland? #t at least ^^^
<GNUtoo>If that doens't work then we need to make other patches to make gdm pick up the sway session file
<opalvaults[m]>ah looks like sddm is the service type?
<opalvaults[m]>The desktop environments in Guix use the Xorg display server by default. If you’d like to use the newer display server protocol called Wayland, you need to use the sddm-service instead of GDM as the graphical login manager. You should then select the “GNOME (Wayland)” session in SDDM. Alternatively you can also try starting GNOME on Wayland manually from a TTY with the command “XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland exec dbus-run-session
<opalvaults[m]>gnome-session“. Currently only GNOME has support for Wayland.
<opalvaults[m]>but I'm not exactly sure where I'm supposed to put that declaration
<opalvaults[m]>my file doesn't have anything in particular regarding GDM, only gnome-desktop-service-type
<opalvaults[m]>Yeah I think having GDM be compositor/server agnostic would be nice
<opalvaults[m]>on Fedora gnome xorg and gnome wayland show up either way.
<GNUtoo>I'm assuming these compositors can start both session types (wayland and Xorg), though I've no idea why it does't look up for wayland session files by default (at least for gdm)
<GNUtoo>s/compositors/desktop managers/
<opalvaults[m]>well it certainly yelled at me for having gdm-service-type and gnome-desktop-service-type lmao
<opalvaults[m]>has anyone had any luck getting sway to work before?
<AIM[m]>There is a video on Youtube
<opalvaults[m]>trying this out now, thanks AIM
<opalvaults[m]> (services
<opalvaults[m]> (append
<opalvaults[m]> (list (service (gdm-service-type))) %desktop-services))
<opalvaults[m]>what am I missing here?
<opalvaults[m]>I'm getting wrong type to apply
<opalvaults[m]>In procedure frame-local-ref: Argument 2 out of range: 1
<opalvaults[m]>what exactly only wants one argument? services? service?
<nckxmas>Good morning, Guix!
<nckxmas>opalvaults[m]: You're trying to apply (call as procedure) gdm-service-type.
<nckxmas>Remove the brackets.
<opalvaults[m]>man how anyone groks this stuff so easily I'll never understand lmao
<opalvaults[m]>guix system: error: service 'xorg-server' provided more than once
<opalvaults[m]>guix what is u doin
<opalvaults[m]>so there's a xorg service module is there a wayland one too?
<nckxmas>Looks like %d-s already provides GDM by default: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/services/desktop.scm#n1187
<opalvaults[m]>ice-9/boot-9.scm:1685:16: In procedure raise-exception:
<opalvaults[m]>error: gdm-service-type: unbound variable
<opalvaults[m]>I swear I smack my head at this thing every day and it doesn't get any easier
<opalvaults[m]>it's masochism at this point, really
<opalvaults[m]>okay, so I'm trying to get Sway installed and showing up in GDM. I have sway installed, and I removed xorg from the service modules. What is the correct syntax to add gdm to services without xorg?
<opalvaults[m]>because i'm just running into repl error after repl error. i think im going crazy looking at the word 'unwind' and 'with-exception-handler'.
<opalvaults[m]>compiler error?
<opalvaults[m]>AIM: unfortunately that dudes config doesnt' work for me. It throws unbound variables (to what, I'm not sure, usually its a parens issue but check-parens didn't catch it)
<opalvaults[m]>listen i'll take this guys config idec at this point
<nckxmas>opalvaults[m]: What's a config idec?
<opalvaults[m]>i dont even care*
<nckxmas>Oh.
<opalvaults[m]>merry xmas nckxmas
<nckxmas>Thank you! Happy same to you!
<nckxmas>I don't use GDM
<opalvaults[m]>I gave up on this btw i switched to i3
<nckxmas>but won't this work? https://paste.debian.net/plainh/c6a70c89
<nckxmas>Aha.
<nckxmas>(I didn't actually test that; I use SDDM.)
<opalvaults[m]>I'd use SDDM
<nckxmas>I'm not sure you'll find many Sway users using GDM, they are rather different beasts in spirit.
<opalvaults[m]>Is that just (services (append (list (service sddm-service-type) %desktop-service)))?
<opalvaults[m]>services*
<nckxmas>You need to import at least (use-service-modules desktop sddm xorg) to use those variables.
<nckxmas>I don't use any of the %default-things myself so sharing my configuration would not be that useful.
<nckxmas>Plus I'd have to remove all the swear words which is $work. <opalvaults[m]>oh wow you straight up gotta delete gdm-service-type <opalvaults[m]>lets see what the compiler has to say this time <opalvaults[m]>what DE do you use nckxmas? <nckxmas>Sway? <opalvaults[m]>you do?! <nckxmas>Yas. <opalvaults[m]>oh dang, i must have missed something you typed earlier <nckxmas>I might not have been explicit. <nckxmas>I do that. <nckxmas>nckxmas> I don't use GDM <opalvaults[m]>I've also been staring at text all day, so I'll take the fault on that one. Anyways, good to know sway works <nckxmas>was supposed to contain 100% more ‘but I do use Sway’ <nckxmas>but I got distracted. <opalvaults[m]>alright fingers crossed time to reboot <nckxmas>Sure, works fine. <nckxmas>Good luck; I'm off o/ <opalvaults[m]>take care and merry christmas! :) <user_oreloznog>Hello Guix! ***phf-1 is now known as phf-1[afk] ***phf-1[afk] is now known as phf-1 *phf-1 is back (gone for 00:02.59) <attila_lendvai>a simple pending patch i've been using for several weeks now (a couple more tlp config variables): https://issues.guix.gnu.org/50565 ***phf-1 is now known as phf-1[afk] ***phf-1[afk] is now known as phf-1 *phf-1 is back (gone for 00:02.04) ***phf-1 is now known as phf-1[afk] ***phf-1[afk] is now known as phf-1 *phf-1 is back (gone for 00:00.50) *phf-1 is back <lilyp>phf-1: don't go afk-spamming <phf-1>Oups, sorry. I misconfigured my client. <tissevert>good morning guix <tissevert>merry xmas everyone : ) <awb99>I have the same problems as opalvault when trying to install sway on my machine. <awb99>it would be great if anyone could post a config that works. <awb99>I had a look at all configurations that I could find, and I dont think anyone of the publicly available configs for sway work. <awb99>I am trying to rebuild my system, and I am getting a lot of node dependencies that I have no idea which package brings them. I tried to graph the packages but it seems that I can only graph the packages of one package. <lilyp>awb99: chromium maybe? <raghavgururajan>Merry Grav-Mass Guix! <raghavgururajan>And of course merry nckxmas as well. <cehteh> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHYZlw-WYAEOItN?format=jpg&name=small i decorated a chrismas tree <pkal>Is there some way to figure out why guix upgrade is building derivations for packages I have uninstalled? <pkal>Or more generally why packages are being built that should have subsitutes (in my case ungoogled-chromium) <cehteh>could be that supstitutes are not yet available (buildfarm needs time as well) <cehteh>pulled at the wrong time <pkal>Hmm, I'll try pulling again to see if that changes anything <cehteh>rather wait some time <cehteh>wasnt there some website showing the build status <cehteh>there is guix weather too, but by itself its not fast <the_tubular>Is there a service to start the emacs daemon ? <the_tubular>So I can connect to it with the client <cehteh>emacsclient can start emacs when its not running <the_tubular>I'd like to start it automatically at boot though <cehteh>i sometimes restart it for some reasons, and wuld want it as user service too <pkal>cehteh: Sadly no, pulling again didn't help (I think my last pull was yesterday) :/ <pkal>"14:44 <cehteh> wasnt there some website showing the build status", perhaps https://ci.guix.gnu.org/status? <lilyp>I too am wondering why there's so many stuffs missing substitutes currently <lilyp>e.g. mutter ought to exist according to CI, but a different one's being built locally <lilyp>perhaps the build farm is behind in terms of evaluations? <vldn[m]>substitutes are weird since yesterday <vldn[m]>but could just be my config.. <Kabouik>I tried to install Guixx System but this is what I get a boot, and I can't do anything: https://0x0.st/orcR.jpg Any ideas? <Kabouik>s/Guixx/Guix <pkal>Still I wonder, why are substitues as dependencies being built for package I have uninstalled? <lilyp>Kabouik: gdm *ought* to spawn soon after you see that line, but you could try with a minimal installation if your graphics drivers make issues and debug from there <lilyp>pkal: Guix builds the full closure (both native and otherwise) of everything that is referenced. <lilyp>I don't know what you consider uninstalled, but chances are you have a wrong concept in the back of your head somewhere <pkal>Kabouik: I had a similar issue once, where the GDM user didn't match the UID of GDM's files. <pkal>I documented my situation here: http://ruzkuku.com/texts/guix-again.html#issues-with-ssh-and-related-issues <pkal>lilyp: Yes, but nothing should be referencing these packages (various node packages) in my case? <lilyp>Again, probably chromium :) <lilyp>You could theoretically also come to it from the r side. <rekado>gc lock has been held since > 16 hours. <rekado>I’v been waiting a long time to finally copy the completed aarch64 build fo linux to reconfigure these build nodes. <cehteh>rekado: its still the delete thing? <rekado>no, it’s ‘guix gc’ running, holding the lock <cehteh>oh wow, <pkal>lilyp: guix graph --type=reverse-package does indicate that node depends on ungoogled-chromium and js-mathjax, but neither of the two are listed by guix package -I <rekado>the other way around: ungoogled-chromium and js-mathjax both have node among their inputs <rekado>none of this suggests that node would be installed when either of these packages are installed, though. <Kabouik>lilyp, pkal, thanks for your answers. My problem is I can't type anything, it looks like I'm really stuck. Or can I go in tty and start from there maybe? <lilyp>but it would still be built/substituted <lilyp>that's what confuses most people I guess <apteryx>rekado: where are you at with the network storage array experiments? <lilyp>Kabouik: if you can go to tty, do that <lilyp>C-M-F2 <lilyp>it might be stuck and not react to keyboard input tho <Kabouik>The install was made from the Guix System installer iso. I couldn't install using the GUI (got backtrace issues) and I struggled with the manual install, so what I did is go in the shell for manual install, and from there use guix system image --image-type=efi-raw /path/to/some-config.scm, and then I dded the image file to a drive. <Kabouik>It does boot, but leaves me there (picture posted above) <Kabouik>Yeah I have to try tty. Problem is I was travelling so I took an old 40% keyboard I never used, I have to find how to emulate F2 :p <Kabouik>I believe it is indeed stuck <pkal>I reused my installation disk, mounted the disk, prepared a chroot and then I could fix my issue <Kabouik>Honestly I have nothing set up so I could start from scratch instead of trying to save my install, but I wonder why it doesn't just work since I didn't customize anything <Kabouik>Even the GUI installer should work I guess <dissent>hey guix, how would I go about using guix time-machine to install an older version of texlive. <Kabouik>pkal do you think I could do what you did without chroot? I just plugged my drive to a another computer and from there I can see /etc/passwd and /varrun/gdm <Kabouik> /var/run/gdm appears to belong to root:cups-pk-helper according to ls -la <Kabouik>In /etc/passwd I see that the gdm UID is 983. Can't I just sudo chown -R 983 /path/to/drive//var/run/gdm? <Kabouik>I tried but that didn't solve the issue <pkal>Kabouik: If you don't have anything else installed, I think it is better to just do a clean reinstallation. <Kabouik>Yes, but I don't know how that would chance since this is already a new install from last night with 0 change <Kabouik>What's weird when booting is I am prompted for login and password before the issue occurs, and if I'm fast enough, I can even login. But regardless, the booting continues and will eventually get stuck (see login at the top): https://0x0.st/orAK.jpg <pkal>Well you could install the system without GDM, or chroot to reconfigure the system to replace GDM with something like slim <Kabouik>I'm trying to chroot but fail due to /bin/bash not found. I tried sudo chroot /path/to/guix-fs /gnu/store/hash-bash/bin/bash and it did went through, but then it can't find any command, I guess it doesn't know where to look for executables <Kabouik>Also weirdly the hostname was that of my host distro, not the guix hostname, so I'm not sure chroot really worked <Kabouik>How did you manage to chroot into your guix filesystem pkal? <Kabouik>Oh I could just source /etc/profile <Kabouik>Weirdly I cannot log in guix user: <Kabouik>root@xiaomimi-solus /# su mat <Kabouik>su: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session <Kabouik>Though /home/mat exits <Kabouik>exists* <fiesh>jackhill: so actually, I take back that modify-sysfs-in-some-way is a feature that's missing. it can all be done with udev, more or less at least, only hindered by its awful syntax and debugging options <rekado>apteryx: stuck :-/ We’re out of space on the SAN. We’ve copied 4.2TB and the SAN has hit its reserve, so we can’t even get the allocated 5TB filled. <rekado>so, currently, there are no more experiments from my side. <jackhill>fiesh: yeah, all we might need is something in the cookbook or manual <rekado>also: the discussion at https://issues.guix.gnu.org/51787 has provided enough evidence that there isn’t all that much we can do to improve performance for /gnu when we insist on keeping it flat and huge. <rekado>use of btrfs does not alleviate concerns over fragmentation, and its baseline performance is considerably worse in our initial tests. <rekado>xfs might be better for /gnu, but it’s unclear if it matters at our scale <rekado>xfs cannot easily be grown, so it would be messier to maintain in the long run <rekado>ext4 has good performance on the SAN and it’s easy to grow as we get more hardware. <jackhill>rekado: are you sure? I though xfs could be grown, but not shrunk (while ext4 can be offline, and btrfs can be online) <rekado>the biggest impact perhaps is the use of tiered storage; SSDs for caching boosts performance noticeably. <rekado>jackhill: I might misremember <rekado>jackhill: feel free to chime in on https://issues.guix.gnu.org/51787 with a recommendation in either direction <rekado>I’d like us to get unstuck soon :) <rekado>it’s a pity we can’t even get /var/cache moved off of the storage array *rekado –> dinner <jackhill>rekado: ok, I'll take a look, but (/me looks at the calendar) I have lots of other stuff going on this weekend. I may not have any great insight, but can at least proofread out assumptions <karrq>hey I'm setting up guix again and bash is struggling sourcing the environment, apparently$profile/etc/profile is owned by root only... for reference it's /gnu/store/....-guix-md5/
<karrq>did I misconfigure something? is \$profile supposed to be only readable by root?
<Kabouik>Anyone has any idea why this all fails in chroot? https://0x0.st/orAO.txt
<karrq>I solved my issue: the script to source the profile was incorrect :P fixed now and it works
<pkal>Kabouik: Have you prepared /dev/, /proc/ and /sys/?
<Kabouik>I mounted them from my host distro using sudo mount --bind /dev /path/to/guix-fs/dev pkal
<Kabouik>All three
<pkal>Then I really cannot say what the issue could be :/
<pkal>I guess the user mailing list would be the next stop after this channel
<Kabouik>Thanks pkal
<opalvaults[m]>merry christmas everyone! I made a desktop wallpaper for you guys
<Kabouik>Interesting pkal, this time I got all the same errors during boot, but eventually could see my mouse cursor, and then gdm started, I could log in and I'm now in X
<Kabouik>I hope it's reproducible. Boot was rather long though.
<pkal>Let's hope it is a one-time thing.
<Kabouik>The issue did happen many times
<Kabouik>So I actually hope the boot going through is not a one-time thing!
<Kabouik>Now I'll still have many things to fix I think, the first being my wifi card not being working, I don't know if it is supported by free driver
<pkal>What wifi card you you have?
<pkal>Might this have been the cause for the missing subsitutes: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-12/msg00150.html?
<Kabouik>I am not sure what card it is pkal, but it's a laptop and I expect the gard to be mainstream
<Kabouik>Can't really check until I reboot in my other distro and have packages to investigate the hardware.
<ss2>packages, like lspci?
<Kabouik>I was thinking inxxi, but maybe there's something in a clean Guix install that I could use?
<Kabouik>inxi* sorry
<ss2>which is actually available in Guix.
<Kabouik>But preinstalled?
<Kabouik>The card is an Intel Wireless 8265/8275
<lilyp>Kabouik, pkal: As perverted as it sounds, but you might have an easier chance switching VTs earlier than later
<Kabouik>I rebooted but I think there was still something wrong in the filesystem, after I booted, the terminal didn't know any command except guix (not even ls or cp or mkdir), even after I sourced /etc/profile
<Kabouik>Well that is weird. Guix was installed on a USB thumb drive, and now that I have powered Guix off and rebooted in another distro, the thumb drive doesn't show up anymore. I'm afraid it might be lost.
<Kabouik>lsusb lists it, but nor parted nor lsblk see anything (they used to).
<podiki[m]>that could explain it, if the drive was failing :/
<Kabouik>Hum that's weird though, I always got to the grub menu at least and then Guix started to boot. After I tried something like you did (changing /var/*/gdb UID to 983), I got the same issue once again, and then on the next boot it did work and started X. I couldn't do anything in there because no internet connection and no commands found, so I powered off, and now the drive shows in lsusb but not lsblk. I can't see how it would have worked "this much" if
<podiki[m]>could have been its last legs? or filesystem corruption (would that mean it wouldn't show in lsblk?); not sure
<Kabouik>Yeah I really don't understand why it no longer shows in lsblk, but I'm very doubtful about it failing just right when I try to install Guix while I have been using it for so long before with no issue, don't think it's a coincidence
<Kabouik>Even the BIOS stopped listing it as a boot device
<Kabouik>I mean UEFI
<podiki[m]>boot sector/partition problem maybe, could just take one bad write or block
<podiki[m]>but yes, mysterious
<KE0VVT>I pulled and reconfigured, but I see no GNOME 40.
<mekeor>hi guix :)
<lilyp>Because we're on GNOME 41 actually :D
<Kolev>lilyp: Strange. Why am I not seeing it after pulling and reconfiguring as root?
<Kolev>(This is KE0VVT.)
<mekeor>can i run "guix pull --commit=HASH" in order to pull a commit with a better weather than current master?
<ss2>sure!
<mekeor>how can i find out a recent commit-hash with a good weather?
<lilyp>there's channels-with-substitutes-available IIRC
<jpoiret>you can also look at https://ci.guix.gnu.org/jobset/master to see the different evaluations on CI
<lilyp>though substitutes seem kinda hosed currently
<jpoiret>is the weather not good right now?
<jpoiret>I may have kept a lot of locally built stuff from c-u-f so I've never noticed
<lilyp>so bad, ci.guix.gnu.org fails as indicator
<mekeor>jpoiret: i only see percentages at https://ci.guix.gnu.org/
<jpoiret>jobset overviews give you a better idea of which commit introduced lots of rebuilds
<mekeor>lilyp: wow, that's pretty awesome: (channel-with-substitutes-available %default-guix-channel "https://ci.guix.gnu.org") -- thanks :)
<mekeor>it's a little pity that channel-with-substitutes-available doesn't support multiple URLs since IIRC there's also some bordeaux-URLed-cuirass available :)
<mekeor>could be a nice PR to get done for beginners :D -- by adding a reduce/fold over a list :D
<Kolev>Tying to update to GNOME 40 now.
<rekado>I just killed the ‘guix gc’ processes.
<jonsger>roptat: thx for the peer/pointopoint implementation in guile-netlink. But I wonder how I could try out the unreleased version :(
<nckxmas>Thank you, raghavgururajan :) My best wishes to all of you!
<awb99>I am trying to run "guix system reconfigure" for 36 hours now. And it is always wanting to rebuild linux-libre and node
<awb99>Now have checked https://ci.guix.gnu.org/search?query=linux-libre-5.15.11
<awb99>And the substitutes are all there
<awb99>I dont know why my machine is building.
<awb99>Interestingly, guix weather tells me that there is no substitute for node, but that there are for linux-libre
<awb99>But it still is building both.
<awb99>Does anyone know how to sort that out?
<awb99>I just cannot wait a few days for a simple guix system config change to go through.
<awb99>I just wanted to update a mcron job.
<awb99>Now I am stuck for almost 2 days with this.
<nckxmas>Not only does guix weather find a substitute, but ‘guix build linux-libre’ downloads it. Are you sure you're talking about the same linux-libre derivation in both cases?
<nckxmas>Which architecture is this that rebuilding Linux takes days?
<rekado>awb99: not sure about 36 hours, but for 24 hours ‘guix gc’ was holding the GC lock, so nothing was built in the meantime.
<rekado>I killed it about an hour ago, so if you’re still having problems fetching a substitute you may want to clear your substitute cache.
<awb99_>Can anyone tell me why guix reconfigure is trying to build linux-libre when guix CI build farm has it built already ?
<awb99_>I have substitutes enabled.
<awb99_>This issue is going on for perhaps 36 hours.
<nckxmas>Are you sure you're talking about the same linux-libre derivation in both cases?
<awb99_>The version number matches
<nckxmas>Hence my question.
<awb99_>I tried to disable grafts
<awb99_>But this didn't change anything.
<awb99_>I ran guix-weather before doing the guix System reconfigure
<awb99_>The derivation?
<nckxmas>The cache is in ~/.cache/guix/substitute.
<awb99_>So perhaps I should delete this directory
<nckxmas>If that doesn't help, share the output of guix system build --dry-run.
<awb99_>Sorry.. I am not understanding you ...what should I do with the cache directory?
<nckxmas>Delete it.
<awb99_>Ah ok
<awb99_>Thanks
<awb99_>Will try that
<awb99_>It worked!
<awb99_>Thanks so much nckxmas
<awb99_>Do you have any idea what happened?
<nckxmas>But whoop!
<nckxmas>awb99_: Negative responses are cached for a while, so Guix was not ‘seeing’ the fact that ci.guix had a substitute for you.
<awb99_>Ahhh
<nckxmas>guix weather does not use this cache.
<nckxmas>(Apparently.)
<awb99_>So now it is only trying to build node.
<awb99_>Which is less problematic
<awb99_>But I also found node in the CI farm as built
<nckxmas>I don't know if you saw rek ado's reply to you, but the CI was basically down all day.
<nckxmas>awb99_: I don't think so.
<awb99_>But it's built was finished just a few minutes ago
<nckxmas>Oh.
<awb99_>Ahhh
<nckxmas>Sure it was the same node?
<awb99_>I studied the CI web interface
<awb99_>And I thought the build farm has no jobs to build
<nckxmas>Alas.
*nckxmas → 😴💤
<awb99_>Yes node 14.18.1
<awb99_>It was built with Id 70252
<awb99_>But it now seems to be built again with 248990