<iskarian>maximed, just did a quick test; just adding the search paths to nss-certs doesn't cause the env var to be set (presumably because a search path doesn't look in the defining package for files?)
<iskarian>anyway, I've got to go for now, but I think this definitely deserves some more investigation
<nckx>podiki[m]: By the way, just to reassure you: the Guix version of ntp (4.2.8p15) should not be vulnerable to the (4.2.8p4) attack you might find mentioned in some search results for the first error.
<testingguix>how can I remove gedit and epiphany from guixsd gnome?
<iskarian>testingguix, I'm not sure if you can, but if you can, it would be by making a replacement package for gnome, which removes gedit and epiphany from its inputs. However, you'd have to then recompile gnome and all its dependencies locally.
<apteryx>efraim: for some reason binutils-gold is much larger than binutils
<jackhill>iskarian: and is it true that you updated your profile and reconfigured, but did not garbage collect so any old store references should still be present?
<iskarian>Ah I definitely deleted all old profile and system generations and then garbage collected
<iskarian>ah, wait, are you suggesting I should try updating/reconfiguring again after the garbage collection?
<jackhill>ah, okay. I'm afaid I don't have any real suggestions having not used xfce, but I missed that and was even more confused than usual :)
<jackhill>iskarian: nope, just making sure I understood
<iskarian>Yeah, and I'm not super invested in trying to fix it myself since I'd rather move to e.g. i3
<jackhill>yeah, I made the move from GNOME to sway. I was trying to be good and dogfood what I would ask others to use, but sway definitly fits my computing better. I'm using wofi to launch stuff, and it, too, memorized store paths, but that's a simple rm away!
<jackhill>I must say, I do now appreciate all the fiddly bits (backlight control, power management, etc) that gnome takes care of usually
<iskarian>do you feel sway is pretty usable on desktop?
<brendyn>'rg /gnu/store .config' turns up lots of results unfortunately
<jackhill>iskarian: yes. It does crash for me sometime. ungoogled-chromium-wayland seemed like the worst offender, so I switched to the x11 version there. I haven't invetigated more, because I wanted to try the wlroots/sway update that's in core-updates-frozen to see if I could recreate it there. I need to try again, but the last time I tried it, core-updates wasn't ready yet :)
<iskarian>thankfully for me its just xfce that's keeping references!
<brendyn>Curiously, for me it embeds a different version of xfce's background for each desktop!
<brendyn>i think when i added new workspaces, it created the cache
<brendyn>Anyway. It's a bug. I think ill fix it after I'm done working on these KDE updates which will occupy me for the next few days most likely
<jackhill>iskarian: there are probably some tweaks I could do to the config, but overall I'd say sway's been working for me. My history with window managers before my guix with gnome adventure was wmii and xmonad. I mostly haven't used it on hidpi monitors, but did breifly one time and it seemed ok if that's a concern for you
<jackhill>brendyn: thank you for the updates and future bug squashing
<iskarian>jackhill, I think I'll wait until wayland/sway is a little more stable :) I don't like debugging my daily driver
<iskarian>ah, as far as browser goes, I'm trying to like nyxt, but it's just... lacking
<iskarian>brendyn, I also noticed the minimize/maximize buttons for all of xfce's configuration windows are now missing
<brendyn>you can open the configuration window from a terminal and see if it shows any errors
<jackhill>yeah, when the compositor crashes, it isn't fun :) I switched to force me to get more wayland experience and because I'm a MNT Reform owner and allegedly bare xorg on with the etnaviv graphics drivers is less polished
*raghavgururajan towards his X200T: "You spin my head right, round right round, when you shut down, when you shut down down" 🎶️
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<attila_lendvai>i'm wondering how well constructive criticism is received on the guix-devel mailing list. i'm a newcomer, just getting through my first patch submission, and i'm collecting a kind of first impressions list, mostly about tools and project workflows... my usual style is very much to the point, and i'm used to rational receivers, but as i'm new here, i don't know how many hornest nests are kept around...
<attila_lendvai>i guess what i'm looking for is: "be careful with the wording", or "send it first to me, and i'll read it first", or "fire away! don't be rude or personal, but rational points should be received rationally, and if not, people will speak up to moderate", etc...
<efraim>attila_lendvai: fire away! we'd like to ease the pain points as possible
<rekado>attila_lendvai: my recommendation: keep it to one point. Mails with a dozen unrelated points rarely ever result in a good discussion.
<rekado>one more note: there is no point in trying to debate community foundations (e.g. free software, FSDG, CoC, etc). But technical discussions and debating procedures and approaches is most welcome.
<attila_lendvai>sure, that i understand and accept, or even support. even though i'm pragmatic when i need to resort to using... that other repo... :)
<lilyp>vivien: I don't think it makes sense to split those errors from context
<lilyp>Perhaps we could instead simply count the errors, raise an exception if that count is bigger than 0 and then point to a log file (for guix build -K)
<hjklambda>Can I inherit service-types? I'm looking to modify a couple of services and looking for an easy way
<jab>hjklambda: I believe so. I believe this is called extending a service.
<hjklambda>jab: No I'm not looking to extend but modify existing service-types, For example I write my own shepherd-service then edit the service type to refer to mine
<lilyp>hjklambda: You can configure the existing shepherd service but not add features not already accounted for
<jab>hjklambda: You might be able to write your own channel...and modify the service that way.
<hjklambda>I thought of defining a new service-type and referring to my extensions, But the existing extensions are not exported so there is a lot of duplicated code
<jab>awesome! I am trying to get opensmtpd-filter-dkimsign to work...and I just realized a lot of my issue is a permission issue with the dkimsign key...So I put some code in to copy said file over to /etc/opensmtpd/dkimsign/. Said code also creates /etc/opensmtpd/dkimsign...
<zamfofex>Hello, everyone! Does anyone happen to know whether it’s possible to replace the Shepherd package of the Shepherd “essential service” (with a customized one) when defining an operating system? Or at least doing so without having to redefine the essential serves, that is. Is there a “correct way”, or is this something that is not expected for users to do?
<attila_lendvai>is there a way in emacs, magit, to auto-generate the commit message in the ChangeLog format? i'm staring at a magit-commit-reword, and i wish i could press a button to generate the commit message...
<vivien>attila lendvai, I don’t have the right words to thank you and explain how miserable I feel for not knowing that despite needing it so much.
<attila_lendvai>vivien, well, you're very welcome! :) it's not too convenient, though: it opens the ChangeLog file, and starts modifying it, and then you need to copy-paste it to the commit message, and deal with the annoyance of an open, modified file that you don't want saved... but it's bearable for now.
<vivien>attila lendvai, if you do that from the magit buffer, it will do what you expect
<attila_lendvai>vivien, i did it while standing on a diff chunk, and IIRC it still opened ChangeLog... but maybe i'm confusing something. i'll see next time.
<attila_lendvai>nckx, iskarian, i know how to deal with it when packaging, but it's about a guix environment --ad-hoc and shell use. i keep forgetting to use make CC=clang test, and it fails a couple of minutes into the tests... but it happens often with various apps
<iskarian>attila_lendvai, are you using 'clang-toolchain'?
<attila_lendvai>iskarian, now i am, as suggested, and i'm happy to have a cc in the PATH