*rekado_ renews the bootstrappable.org cert with the “standalone” method… <qy>second question, has anyone tried guix with a TMPFS root? <qy>i had that system on nixos, i'd like to carry that across <apteryx>the fat driver doesn't seem to good in linux; been corrupting the fs a couple times, trying to write a 2 GiB file to a usb drive <qy>aw, the nix version in guix isn't flake-enabled <nckx>I got morbidly curious and looked at the fat sources, expecting to find an obvious int wrap check... but nothing jumps out. <mbakke>apteryx: if you want interopability with operating systems that lack ext/xfs, you might be better off with exFAT which is reasonably well-supported these days <nckx>And supports files over 2 GiB. <apteryx>oh, wasn't the limit with FAT 4 GiB? <nckx>qy: Flakes haven't been released yet? <nckx>(source: git clone nix; grep -r flake; git checkout 2.3.12 (7h old); grep -r flake.) <qy>nckx: oh, yes they haven't, but they're pretty actively used and can be enabled with a flag in the config if nix is >2.4 <qy>i'm not overly bothered, i can get around it by using nix to fetch a newer nix (lol), it's just an inconvenience while i migrate <qy>ah, probably then yeah <qy>nixpkgs calls it nix-unstable <qy>but all of nixpkgs is unstable <qy>so it's hardly a differentiation <qy>would it be theoretically possible to run my nixos inside lxc or something similar in guixsd, during this process? <qy>nixos being systemd and guix being not, i'm not sure how to achieve that the best way <mbakke>nckx: 'rg' (aka ripgrep) changed my life <dstolfa>qy: it might be possible to leverage nix on guix by installing it (`guix install nix`) but i'm not sure how well it works <qy>dstolfa: thanks, already done that :) i just have a lot of services etc that i don't want to have to reboot to use <qy>was hoping i could save some time and just have them in a sub-system for now <nckx>mbakke: Because fast? Or more? <nckx>I've never waited on a grep TBH. <mbakke>nckx: fast, and "smart" (which can be a drawback at times, I still use 'git grep' and 'grep' for some things) <nckx>Thanks for the tip regardless, I really should try it, even though Rust. <apteryx>seems libusb is not working as intended on Guix System? GNOME Boxes for example isn't able to access USB drives (libusb: error [get_usbfs_fd] libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/001/089, errno=13) <qy>nckx: alternatively, there's ag (silver searcher) <nckx>Guess I'm weird for being in a happy long-term relationship with grep. <apteryx>dirty fix is: sudo chown root:users /dev/bus/usb/001/089 <dstolfa>yeah i've never had issues with grep, even with massive trees nckx <dstolfa>maybe because i always exclude .git and so on <nckx>Typing *<RET> is a reflex. <mbakke>huh, maybe my susceptibility for rg is because I never developed that habit :P <nckx>I'm sure it has other great features I don't know I'm missing :) <dstolfa>mbakke: i generally don't like installing these replacement utilities because when i ssh into places that don't have them, i hate myself for doing it because i forget how to use the base utilities :D <nckx>I like raghavgururajan but do I want to think of them every single time I grep for a thing is the thing. <nckx>Because that is what happens. <qy>dstolfa: i very much agree with you on that, but rg is useful enough that i compromise <qy>it's like me using vim over vi <mbakke>I occasionally grep through humonguos codebases such as linux and chromium, rg makes a huge difference in those cases <qy>not all systems have vim, so i'll settle for vi, but install vim when i can <nckx>Well, I mosh over ssh, so I can't use that excuse. <qy>oh, i should install mosh.. <nckx>mbakke: Now that I can believe. <nckx>Here I am grepping tiny appz like ‘Linux’, not full operating systems like Chromium. <mbakke>I was actually surprised how fast rg entered my "muscle memory", yet I still use 'grep' for binary files (because I can't be bothered to learn how to include those with rg), as well as pipes (because grep is always available and probably faster in that case) <dstolfa>what i really want is rtags, but faster <dstolfa>because oof is it slow on large codebases <nckx>I missed the ‘it’ and thought ‘oof’ was some hip new thing in Go 🤦 <nckx>Dibs on that command if it doesn't yet exist sevenfold. <dstolfa>it should be some graceful error handling thing so you can do something | really | complicated | oof <ss2>I never get this right.. Whenever I run git format-patch master `package-name' `packages.scm', I get patches for all packages. :/ <ss2>what am I doing wrong? <ss2>okay, just have to add -1. <nckx>git format-patch REF (in this case master) means ‘give me all commits newer than ref’. Your command sounds equivalent to ‘git format-patch -1’, although I'm not sure what the weirdquotes mean. <ss2>that's just me doing weird formating <ss2>ha, how do I do that actually? In erc? <nckx>I mean, beyond the built-in C-x 8 stuff. <ss2>‘eh, forget my question’ <nckx>I am lowly HexChat user, senpai. <qy>lot of sshd spam in my tty <qy>how do i best turn that off <qy>i tried setting kernel.printk <qy>apparently that's not it <nckx>That literally affects only the kernel. You might have more luck with ‘dmesg -D’ (which, weirdly, does not) but not sure. <qy>nckx: oh wow, thanks! <nckx>If that works it should be loglevel= on the kernel command line, so you don't have to type it every time. <nckx>*should be equivalent to <qy>i can copy that from my nixos kernel args <nckx>=0 will really shut things up. <nckx>=3 is safer (still printing ‘critical’ and ‘emergency’ is a good thing, but sometimes programmers find strange things ‘critical’). *dstolfa is looking forward to GNOME 40 in guix *nckx is looking forward to bed. Good night Guix. *qy is looking forward to having more than 10 programs installed <ss2>* is happy to have his next patch submitted. <qy>ok say i wanted to mount a full system subtree, chroot into that tree, and basically simulate booting it into a "container" of sorts <qy>lxc is what i want, right? <qy>or is there something better <raghavgururajan>nckx: Hmm `guix gc --verify=contents,repair` turned-off my laptop. 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<ix>Ok we'll do this the other way round <ix>I'll have guix be a container in nixos <ix>And slowly empty the host <ecbrown>raghavgururajan: wonder if it overheated? <drgibbon>Testing Guix in a VM, I see that setting up an encrypted system (with default settings anyway) requires entering the encryption password twice. Any plans for a single unlock? <emestee>is that really the case? I dont remember <drgibbon>It is on my VM install, maybe I made a mistake somewhere though. <emestee>iirc during the boot it only needs to ask you for it once <drgibbon>ahh ok, well I'll see how I go when I install it on bare metal. <raghavgururajan> /home/rg/.guix-profile/bin/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: /gnu/store/6yn16h7la1cj64gm5gvklhijcd4k1zgb-cups-2.3.3/lib/libcups.so.2: file too short <raghavgururajan>nckx: ^ Also because of store corruption? The above error persists even after `guix gc --verify=contents,repair`. <tissevert>drgibbon: at what steps do you have to enter it twice ? grub + normal mount during early init ? <drgibbon>tissevert: First before seeing the GRUB menu, and then second after selecting a GRUB option. <tissevert>yeah, I think I had the same when I tried to install with my whole system encrypted <tissevert>sounds a bit inevitable: grub has to unencrypt the partition to find the kernel and boot it, but then I don't see a lot of options to pass the key securely to the kernel : procline is out of the question, write it to a file on /boot ? what if it's read-only ? <drgibbon>Is it possible to boot off of an LVM volume? So one big block that GRUB unlocks, then finds the /boot inside an LVM setup? <tissevert>I have no idea how LVM works and if GRUB knows how to handle this <jonsger>hm, libaio fails on core-updates. thats only some dependencies until I can built firefox 89 :( <drgibbon>Definitely possible to have a bunch of LVM "partitions" inside one big encrypted block (LUKS/LVM), but I'm not sure if GRUB can handle that. I've only ever done that with a separate unencrypted /boot partition. <drgibbon>Probably the easiest is just to leave /boot unencrypted, or even a more lightweight password for the initial unlocking. <tissevert>I personally leave my system unencrypted but encrypt my data partition mounted on /home <raghavgururajan>> drgibbon: Definitely possible to have a bunch of LVM "partitions" inside one big encrypted block (LUKS/LVM), but I'm not sure if GRUB can handle that <tissevert>I still have to type my password twice, though, once to unencrypt it and once in GDM to login <tissevert>(I haven't managed to setup pam_mount on guix, though it works flawlessly in artix linux) <tissevert>raghavgururajan: that's great ! thanks for the confirmation <munksgaard>How do I best combine guix time-machine and guix environment? I want to set up a reproducible environment for a project of mine, and I have used a manifest file in conjunction with `gnu environment -m ...` so far, but now I also want to make sure that the channels are the same. It doesn't seem like the output from `guix describe -f channels` go in my manifest file though? <munksgaard>I'm guessing I have to use `guix time-machine` instead, but it's not clear how I can provide a manifest file as input... <rekado>munksgaard: you can skip the “time-machine” command and use inferiors instead, right from the manifest <rekado>or you could do “guix time-machine -C channels.scm -- environment -m manifest.scm” <rekado>i.e. load the channels from channels.scm to tell “guix time-machine” what variant of Guix to use, and then use the manifest with that version of Guix. <munksgaard>Aha! That's very helpful indeed. Thank you rekado <rekado>which method you pick depends on whether you want the channels to be distributed separately and independently of the manifest. <rekado>personally, I like to keep them together in the same file <rekado>note that using inferiors is significantly slower than just running a manifest through the “current” Guix (whether that is ~/.config/guix/current/bin/guix or a Guix variant spawned by “guix time-machine”) <jonsger>mbakke: I have a change for libaio on core-updates. Can I directly push or should I go over the mailing list? <munksgaard>Thanks, `guix time-machine -C channels.scm -- environment -m manifest.scm` works perfectly. <munksgaard>Next question: Every time I run guix, I get the following error message: "user with UID 497492280 not found" <munksgaard>The commands proceed to work fine (as far as I can tell), but I'm wondering what that error message means? <munksgaard>rekado: I've installed nscd and am now running it, but I still get the same error. <ecbrown>drgibbon: yes you need two passwords for bios. good imo because secrets can make it into bios <dstolfa>how could i (invoke ...) with some environment variable set for that particular invoke? <dstolfa>for example, i want to do the equivalent of `FOO=... command` <nckx>See with-environment-variables in (guix utils), dstolfa. <nckx>raghavgururajan: ...wow. <nckx>So /gnu/store/6yn16h7la1cj64gm5gvklhijcd4k1zgb-cups-2.3.3/lib/libcups.so is also empty? <nckx>Definitely sounds like file system corruption. Your system does not sound stable. <nckx>guix gc --verify=contents doesn't print any errors about either file? <nckx>Could you run guix lint on your patches? <nckx>Also, drop the @acronym in the synopsis (it's OK to use it, but here it's just too long) and s/filesystem/file system/ <dstolfa>nckx: can with-environment-variables be called in a gexp? <nckx>Noisytoot: Rest looks good. <dstolfa>i'm trying to start a service, and the only way it could be started is if i have STRONGSWAN_CONF=... set to the new derivation, but even with guix utils in use-modules it's complaining about with-environment-variables being unbound, which i assume is due to me trying to call it in a gexp <nckx>with-environment-variables is merely syntactic hac^Wsugar to make environment variables appear ‘functional’, but you can also just (setenv "FOO" "bar") if you don't care about restoring the original environment, and it sounds like you wouldn't. <dstolfa>ah i see, so just (setenv "..." "...") would work for all the following (invoke ...) calls? <nckx>If it doesn't we can debug that, but the functional fig-leaf that is with-environment-variables isn't needed here. <Noisytoot>Why doesn't etc/indent-code.el get rid of tabs? <nckx>Let me try… Oh, I just noticed it's in linux.scm. It has nothing to do with Linux so file-systems.scm is a much better fit. <nckx>Like admin.scm, linux.scm is already a rubbish dump. <Noisytoot>Why are btrfs-progs and f2fs-tools in linux.scm? <nckx>Because it's a rubbish dump. <nckx>They may be de-facto Linux-only for now, not that that's convincing. <nckx>I don't know why indent-code.el doesn't nix tabs, Noisy. I'm an elisp noob at heart. <nckx>(indent-tabs-mode nil) doesn't affect existing tabs. <Noisytoot>What does "udftools@2.3: sentences in description should be followed by two spaces; possible infraction at 212" mean? <ecbrown>after a period at the end of a sentence, use two spaces instead of one between the period and the capital letter that starts the next sentence <nckx>My elisp approach is that I know 5 hammers and I bang them together to get the shape I need. <ecbrown>an off-the-wall theoretical question: can guile/guix in principle use elisp? istr guile-emacs and that guile has multiple language support <nckx>Noisytoot: Share your package if you can't make that lint warning go away. <ecbrown>(why? perhaps something from elisp's massive "standard library") <rekado>ecbrown: Guile’s elisp support is really meant to be used with Emacs. <ecbrown>rekado: oic, thanks. not to be like "hosted" in a guile environment <rekado>Noisytoot: line 25 has only a single space. <emestee>is anyone working on packaging ansible 2.10+? <emestee>I should probably ask this on the mailing lists shouldn't I <ecbrown>otherwise it could be like ships passing in the night. maybe someone will search for it though, i find stuff here all the time through websearch *ecbrown slaps high five to dstolfa <dstolfa>you think i want to deal with this :D <ecbrown>i need an option to bridge from my home network with aws. would this be compatible? <dstolfa>ecbrown: for better or worse, ipsec tends to work with almost anything <ecbrown>yeah, it's a pain in the ass and all those files and tweaks have purpose <dstolfa>thanks for all the help, i'd like to think i understand guix way better after this than i did prior to it as well :) ***dekenevs is now known as notdekenevs
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<dstolfa>nckx: i have one bug leftover, and i figure it's easier to just ask. when i do an `ipsec stop` from the command line, the whole daemon gets killed (including all the subdaemons like charon). however, when i do (invoke #$ipsec "stop") the other daemons stay running. <apteryx_>civodul: out of curiosity, what does 'ulimit -S -n' show on your system? <pkal>If I installed guix on Debian, can I make software I installed via Guix see my regular system fonts? <roptat>it hosts our bbb instance, that we used for the guix days <tissevert>(I didn't know about the guix days, will there be guix days in 2021 ?) <dstolfa>is there a way to pop a guile repl or some kind of debugger on `herd start/stop` for a particular service? for some reason a command that runs successfully doesn't do what i would expect it to do, and i don't know how to debug it <katco>i hope so as that was the point! haha <roptat>well, matrix was the way for people to ask questions and presenters to coordinate, but it was all managed by a jitsi instance for presenters, which was then streamed live, with a widget in matrix to be able to watch the stream <roptat>we might be able to do something similar if we can set up a stream, and use IRC or matrix as the communication channel <katco>note that matrix has native integration for starting jitsi conferences in matrix rooms <katco>that was worded poorly. i should say that the reference client, element, has native integration for starting jitsi conferences from a matrix room. i know nothing about what support exists at the protocol level (i.e. matrix) <avalenn>katco: there is none at the protocol level for group conferencing <avalenn>Matrix can serve as signaling protocol for one-to-one WebRTC discussions, but no more <avalenn>And it is not a priority of Matrix development at the moment as the client-side integration with Jitsi (and I wonder if there is one with BBB too) seems to be sufficiently useful for Matrix users ***qy is now known as Guest2181
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<ix>drakonis: is your weechat config public? ***qy is now known as ixmpp
<drakonis>I just set up my weechat according to glowing bear's instructions and used my hand rolled nginx server blocks <ix>Oh idc about glowing bear <ix>I just can't reboot into guix for good cause all my services arent migrated <ix>Like weechat (my bouncer) <ix>Biboumi (backup bouncer) <ix>Searx (search engine) <ix>Not even sure what else <drakonis>ix: tbf i just used it to set up a relay <tissevert>trying to understand the valid patterns for delete-generations and taking the opportunity to try and understand the structure of the code for the guix command <ixmpp>I just dont yet have the proficiency in guix to be setting up like 5 different major services <tissevert>I stumble upon a lot of documentation in the various (define …) I find along my quest <ixmpp>None of which seem to have predefined services <tissevert>is this documentation somehow avalaible from the command line ? <ixmpp>drakonis: Wtb `services.weechat.enable = true;` lol <drakonis>ixmpp: at this point i would've preferred nix to provide the scaffolding for these kinds of things <tissevert>I may be mistaken because I'm still a total noob but I've never seen things along the lines of «Return the list of available generations matching a pattern in STR» in the manual <tissevert>I'm talking about low-level function documentation <tissevert>(btw I've grepped the one-page-with all version for that and of course it isn't found) <drakonis>ixmpp: set up your web server and configure it correctly <ixmpp>My home machine doesnt use a web server <tissevert>what I liked was precisely the way digging deeper and deeper into guix-system then delete-generations then delete-matching-generations I was getting a clearer and clearer picture <ixmpp>Oh, does it? It might, for searx <tissevert>because from CLI guix system delete-generations --help didn't yield anything relevant about the patterns <ixmpp>drakonis: yep, weechat relay is my bouncer <tissevert>which I find pretty clever and had not thought of using the CLI <ixmpp>And yeah, i use searx without reverse proxy <ixmpp>(well, i reverse proxy it remotely) <tissevert>trouble with regex is I still haven't found two people agreeing on regex format without having had several hours to meet beforehand <tissevert>and, of course something like '[2-4]' didn't work for me <tissevert>(because that's obviously not a valid regex, come on !) <tissevert>which is why I wanted to read the code myself instead of spamming this chan <tissevert>and thought instead I'd ask about the promising documentation strings <tissevert>because then I'd probably be able to fish more efficiently myself <dstolfa>sneek: later tell nckx: so i've got strongswan starting correctly, setting up the (legacy) configuration and all that, but when i run `herd stop strongswan`, i see that `$STORE/sbin/ipsec stop` gets run successfully (it returns #t), but it doesn't actually stop the daemon. if i run it from the shell, it works as expected. the stop gexp is literally (invoke #$ipsec "stop"), am i missing something? <tissevert>sorry, my question is meta; I don't want you to grep the code for me, I had that file open in my editor before I started asking my question <tissevert>I just noticed all this elegant documentation <tissevert>that is not — unless I'm very mistaken about guile syntax — comment, but a proper string <ix>drakonis: <ix> I'll have guix be a container in nixos <ix>Btw that didnt work either <tissevert>that I presume from my very limited understanding must somehow end up in data structure somewhere representing the defined function <drakonis>what are you using for hosting guix in a container anyways? <ix>And might have corrupted my filesystems :D <ix>I can't systemd-nspawn guix to <drakonis>you cant use it because it expects systemd on the container <tissevert>and, noticing this useful documentation didn't show up in --help (expected, there'd be quite a lot of it), I was wondering if there was an efficient way to query it from the command itself <ix>Nothing in lxc makes sense <ix>I tried asking, folks arent even sure this is possible <tissevert>(if not, then why make a proper string out of it and not mere comments ?) <tissevert>thanks for your help, it's very appreciated but my question just happen to be more general <ix>Honestly the good solution would be that something miraculously breaks nixos and i then *have* to setup guix <dstolfa>drakonis: systemd-nspawn assumes systemd containers lol <ix>dstolfa: it's almost viral <dstolfa>surely if you're spawning a container you'd want to not assume that it has the software you're already using? <drakonis>tissevert: i apologize for not being able to help you <ix>The point of systemd-nspawn is to support systemd in container-mode <dstolfa>i thought it was a general container mechanism <ix>It's chroot with hacks <ix>I could use plain chroot tbf <ix>"*how exactly does one body guix <drakonis>ressurect that PR you had for running guix on nixos? <ix>Oh thats no issue, i have guix <ix>It's the system i need to build up <drakonis>it handles itself much more gracefully on foreign systems than nixos <tissevert>drakonis: don't apologize, that was very nice to come to my rescue ! I didn't want to waste your time performing queries for me, but it was really nice <ix>Talk about friendly customers <tissevert>I was asking the question very broadly, just in case someone knew, it doesn't matter if I don't get an immediate answer <ix>*biboumi arent even packaged <ix>I can live without biboumi for now tbh, searx is a major issue though since it's my phone's search engine... i'll try that for now i guess, since i have a weechat workaround <drakonis>there's a cmake build system that should save you time <ixmpp>Might make my first contribution :) <ixmpp>Y'all really need at least a few more services premade, this is a little lacklustre <detrout>Does anyone use the exim under guix? the default configuration file has some problems. (like erroring out trying to access ~/.forward because home directory permissions were 0700) <drakonis>as long the services arent some slapdash stuff nobody will ever bother trying to fix it <ixmpp>Yeah, having them out of tree works for that <ixmpp>I can spin this into good news <benjaminwil>in my spare time i've been trying to create a system service, but it's been an uphill battle because i'm leaning guile and guix at the same time :D <drakonis>did you try to mount a existing filesystem into a vm? <ixmpp>I forgot it was already mounted <roptat>tissevert, there's something in guile for getting the docstring, I don't remember exactly, but I can look it up in guile's manual <ixmpp>Luckily it's not the drive with my stores on <ixmpp>If that fails ...maybe? Can't remember <ixmpp>It's been over 2 years since i broke a disk <ixmpp>Oof. Weechat config and logs. <ixmpp>I really shouldnt have rebooted <roptat>tissevert, procedure-documentation <roptat>tissevert, from a repl, you can load a module, like (use-modules (guix build utils)) and get the docstring: (procedure-documentation %store-directory) <drakonis>but it was a botched partition resizing operation <drakonis>ixmpp: play stupid games win stupid prizes :v <ixmpp>Ive never lost anything *real* valuable <ixmpp>I just dont own valuable stuff, keeps things simple <ixmpp>Or if i have to, it's in a mist online somewhere <ixmpp>Declarative config made it easy <ixmpp>I can delete it all and i really only lose state <ixmpp>I wanted to solve state/data using ipfs you but never got round to it <drakonis>i bet you'll like guix home when it merges <ixmpp>But i havent got any hard dependency on it to switch ***Kimapr0 is now known as Kimapr
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<ixmpp>There goes that entire partition <ixmpp>Guix stuff wasnt committed/pushed <ixmpp>Ok so we're starting from actual absolute scratch, woop. <drakonis>i'm massively pleased at the outcome of my migration to guix ***jackhill is now known as KM4MBG
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<apteryx_>ixmpp: hehe, your story reminds me of how I got started with my first Guix System 5 years ago ;-). <leoprikler>Seems kinda pointless when you can install Rust via Guix, no? <apteryx_>drakonis: on core-updates only the last one is available and tested <apteryx_>civodul: hi! Commit 84f8bae0f85de081bbc55aa54ad6a50981a06a43 introduced a regression; now we can't "./pre-inst-env guix refresh -u ffmpeg", for example <apteryx_>the URL it uses lack the 'directory' component <apteryx_>there's probably a confusion with the base-url variable, which exists both in the inner and outer scope <apteryx_>sneek later tell mothacehe is it possible to configure the Cuirass result pages to display more than 10 times? The less clicking, the merrier. <ixmpp>> cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session <ixmpp>/var/run/dbus/system-bus-socket missing <apteryx_>ixmpp: perhaps you didn't include a service for dbus-root-service-type in your OS declaration? <apteryx_>if you don't want to micro-manage these things <ixmpp>Can i somehow get guix to body directly into a shell? <ixmpp>I.e. without login, so i can mess with it from inside <ixmpp>Without having to redo `guix system init` from a usb continually <efraim>I think 'set!' is causing failures on powerpc-linux on core-updates <projectmoon>leoprikler: as long as the version is current, it should be fine <ixmpp>I took GNOME out of the services <apteryx_>sneek: would you know why we have both rav1e and rust-rav1e ? Both are Rust-built, AFAICS. <apteryx_>sneek: later tell lfam would you know why we have both rav1e and rust-rav1e ? Both are Rust-built, AFAICS. <apteryx_>I guess rust-rav1e is the future-looking package, or rav1e-next <apteryx_>sneek later tell lfam oh I now see that the rust-rav1e variant is just sources <apteryx_>doesn't appear to be used by anything... uh. <ixmpp>Ok, its a lot bigger with GNOME... <civodul>apteryx_: re "guix refresh ffmpeg", i'll take a look, thanks! <sneek>mothacehe, you have 1 message! <sneek>mothacehe, apteryx_ says: is it possible to configure the Cuirass result pages to display more than 10 times? The less clicking, the merrier. <mothacehe>apteryx_: a limit is still needed but we could raise it to say 100 for instance? <drakonis>mothace: apteryx corrected times to items <apteryx_>sneek: later tell mothacehe yes that'd be a good improvement already :-) <apteryx_>rust users; any clue what that means? error: crate `log` required to be available in rlib format, but was not found in this form <apteryx_>ixmpp: you might want to start with a known-good config (e.g., one of the templates under gnu/system/examples/), have a booting system, then you can refine it to your taste <ixmpp>I dont think i changed much! <apteryx_>at least you can easily roll-back, right? Experimentation is cheap. <ixmpp>sort of. I have to install from the liveusb, so it takes ages <ixmpp>Cause i have no other OS now <apteryx_>I'm not sure I'm following; did you manage to guix system init successfully once on your hard drive? <ixmpp>apteryx_: I did before. Then broke my FS. Im now trying to recreate something from scratch but im running into issues getting a config that boots and let's me log in <ixmpp>And iterating is slow cause liveusb <apteryx_>Ah. I see. Broke the FS was the part I missed, eh. <ixmpp>Ah, yeah, that was this morning <sneek>Welcome back nckx, you have 1 message! <sneek>nckx, dstolfa says: so i've got strongswan starting correctly, setting up the (legacy) configuration and all that, but when i run `herd stop strongswan`, i see that `$STORE/sbin/ipsec stop` gets run successfully (it returns #t), but it doesn't actually stop the daemon. if i run it from the shell, it works as expected. the stop gexp is literally (invoke #$ipsec "stop"), am i missing something? <nckx>raghavgururajan: Corruption runs rampant-ish in your store! Did you add ,repair? <nckx>dstolfa: Do you know how ‘ipsec stop’ actually stops the daemon? Does it read the PID from somewhere? Prod a socket? <nckx>Apparently her source is published now so we could, but it raises ethical issues re cloning and bot consciousness. <nckx>Slow & happy, so nothing new. <drakonis>Wanted to invite for usage in a private channel <nckx>Re-reading my logs ‘source available’ is an optimistic reading of something I didn't go into because it wasn't the point. Wish I had, now. <nckx>Got my networks mixed up again. dsmith already replied. <nckx>I should delete my Freenode account. *nckx looks at empty popcorn bucket. <nckx>I should delete my Freenode account. <ixmpp>Along with all the others >_> <itd>Strings in a `guix build` backtrace are truncated. I'd like to see them. For that, I need to set the COLUMNS env var for the guix daemon, correct? <ixmpp>Well, network config, not nickserv account <nckx>I'm kinda afraid they'll seize #guix if I do that. <civodul>apteryx_: the "download speed" displayed includes actual download + decompression + deduplication + hashing <nckx>It is a veritable smörgåsbord of modes, of which +i is one. <civodul>apteryx_: yet, there shouldn't be such a big difference; anyhow, i'm interested in profiling data :-) <nckx>Well, I'm sure staff is exempt. <ixmpp>Well yeah but i mean to say, we've moved, no new users should turn up there <nckx>We had 1 or 2 (literally: it was either one or two, can't remember which) since the move. <nckx>That was the first week though. <apteryx_>civodul: I've left a strace log of the substitute process on berlin; 'substitute.trace2' under my home <vagrantc>nckx: you've been parked on That Old Irc Network just to prevent a hostile takeover of the channel? <sneek>vagrantc, you have 1 message! <sneek>vagrantc, efraim says: I'd love to hear about the pinebookpro image, mine just arrived in country and I should be getting it later this week <vagrantc>efraim: i don't have an image builder, per se, but i have a system i configured ages ago and keep upgrading, and sometimes swap the microSD between the pinebook and pinebook-pro <nckx>vagrantc: If you're implying I care too much, you're right. <vagrantc>nckx: i appluad your determination on lost causes :) <vagrantc>every time i try the new guix disk-image or whatever i realize it's for cross-compiling only <efraim>I grabbed the uboot from the shipped image, I'll try booting a Debian image tomorrow probably <vagrantc>efraim: the u-boot for pinebook-pro in guix is way better, it even lets you interact using the keyboard and displays to the screen! <vagrantc>efraim: in theory i'll get an unmatched distraction soon as well <efraim>I wasn't sure if it was merged upstream yet <efraim>I got mine booting at the local computer store, everyone wanted to see what it was <efraim>I got my shipping notification just days before it arrived <efraim>I'll try grabbing the patches and using them to make a uboot package in the morning <vagrantc>efraim: might also be worth updating to the latest u-boot release candidate ... i've got u-boot-2021.07 pegged at v2021.07-rc1, but i think -rc3 is out <civodul>but, it's often tedious to analyze that... <dstolfa>nckx: i'll take a look, but it's good to know that it's not on guix's end <nckx>I didn't mean to imply that. We just have far too little info to effectively guess. <nckx>Indexing stopped in February. I've reported it a few times, but not on the Web. <nckx>rekado: Sorry to bother you again. :) <nckx>Should I open a bug instead? <nckx>drakonis: If it important I could provide Log Search as a Service… <ixmpp>(servics log-search-service-type)? <rekado>nckx: I think this is related to the fact that this goggles service runs in a container. <nckx>I was just going to add ‘or you can download all the logs’ but let's do this. grepaaS. <rekado>I have *nothing* to base this on, but it totally worked when I ran it manually. <rekado>I’ve run out of steam to look into this <nckx>rekado: But… I don't like containers or debugging them and you can't make me :'( <civodul>we could try and run it outside a container and see? <nckx>Is it containerisationised ‘for security’ or for something containers actually do well? <sharlatan>I see you discussing docker (?) on that topic is there other virtualization facility availalbe in Guix but libvirt and KVM? <nckx>I don't think we were discussing Docker… <rekado>this is not difficult. It’s just writing to and reading from a file. But every time I look at this my movements slow, my eyes feel like I steeped them in whiskey for hours, and any attempt to speak just produces grunts. <rekado>nckx: I think the containerisationisation was done because we could. <rekado>civodul would certainly know more. But the facts are that we had no service for a long time; and then civodul thought a service into being. <nckx>It seemed like a good idea walking home, along with stealing road signs & traffic cones. <rekado>traffic cones are much heavier than I thought. I regretted taking them the moment I picked them up, but at that point I was committed. <nckx>Apparently those flashing lights used at road works are ‘tamper proof’ and hard to switch off at home. <nckx>civodul: It's better you do, I'd just start with deleting /container & random keywords. <dstolfa>hum, i may have messed up the stop service and had it kill my entire system <rekado>(why does everything feel like Friday now?) <rekado>dstolfa: there’s a “stop” service? <nckx>Stops the system, it seems. <rekado>> error in finalization thread: Success <dstolfa>rekado: well um, it was #~(make-kill-destructor) <nckx>rekado: Stop action for strongswan, but it doesn't. <dstolfa>but when i did herd stop strongswan it stopped strongswan, sddm, my networking, disconnected all my usb devices and all that <nckx>Did it stop them ‘graciously’ (ahem) or did it crash? <dstolfa>it basically behaved as if i did `halt` <dstolfa>i assume that what happened was, strongswan bringup was botched, make-kill-destructor got pid1 and it just killed everything <nckx>Does the service (provision …) anything? <dstolfa>it does, i can send you the service code <nckx>I once provisioned 'networking and it brought down way too much. <nckx>OK, you're not pretending to provide networking, so that's not the problem. <nckx>I always thought make-forkexec-constructor took a list. <dstolfa>it uh, pretends to start but it doesn't actually start the daemon <civodul>nckx: it can be passed a string but that's deprecated <dstolfa>i assumed "command" was singular here <nckx>OK, but the string looks like "…/sbin/ipsecstart --nofork" here. <dstolfa>nckx: yes, it's a missing space, that's my fault <nckx>I'm not excusing the Shepherd's lack of error logging or apparent suicide-bomber failure mode (nor am I doing anything to improve it), but that might fix your starting problem… <ixmpp>> suicide-bomber failure mode <dstolfa>i'm unable to parse this error backtrace <dstolfa>same code as above, just with a space on " start" and (list ...) <vagrantc>efraim: oh, looks like the unmatched support is merged on u-boot master <nckx>dstolfa: You'd write either (string-append #$ipsec " start --foo") or (list #$ipsec "start" "-foo"). <GNUtoo>Hi, I keep having that error: "guix pull: error: Git error: object not found - no match for id (641a88e8c8c3fe160e8d4a4cf76c685440698fb6)" when running guix pull <nckx>dstolfa: Does the latter not work? <GNUtoo>Maybe I've some filesystem corruptions, in that case, where do I find the underlying git repo to inspect it and/or fix it there <civodul>GNUtoo: could it be that the cached checkout is corrupt? you can try: "rm -rf ~/.cache/guix/checkouts" <nckx>GNUtoo: First, remove ~/.cache/guix/checkouts. <civodul>this is a premium support channel, welcome <dstolfa>nckx: it doesn't, same error as the one in pastebin <dstolfa>nckx: okay, now everything works as expected. thanks <dstolfa>i'll clean up the code and send in a patch <nckx>Noisytoot: And it's only non-free because of a copy-paste typo. How sad. <nckx>The problem is very ‘technical’ & wholly unintentional. <nckx>That said, Canonical knows better than to NIH licenses. <nckx>Debian's objection is a different one. <nckx>And I doubt very much Canonical will accomodate their demands. <drakonis>a silly hypothetical, could guix, at some point split with the gnu project and use dfsg instead of fsdg? *vagrantc has stumbled over those two acronyms so many times 
