<wleslie>so I've been somewhat aware that I'm "not doing it correctly" as I'm packaging my cross environment, today (while battling with some linker errors) I figured I'd actually test using --target https://bpa.st/PMOA
<wleslie>now, it's not picking up my cross toolchain, and I think that this is because I'm not using native-inputs vs inputs properly
<brown121407>Guix's IceCat seems to make Cloudflare protected sites loop infinitely on the "Checking your browser before accessing" page. Is there any way to make this stop besides using another browser?
*wleslie is reading commencement and is a little daunted but can probably muddle through
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<pinoaffe>brown121407: I have not yet encountered this issue, it might be caused by one of the plugins that icecat comes with by default
<leoprikler>I don't necessarily think that's IceCat. Cloudflare is prone to looping in Epiphany as well.
<pinoaffe>brown121407: oh wow, that site is not working for me either
<pinoaffe>even though I've previously used this particular site as well as lots of cloudflare-protected sites without issues
<pinoaffe>looking at the network log while loading that page, it does not seem to contact any cloudflare servers, so it may not be a cloudflare-related issue in the case of gitlab (or maybe that's the problem, I don't know)
<leoprikler>IIUC it should communicate with Cloudflare in some fashion to do some weird "sanity" checks.
<apteryx>what would you think of moving a few core python building modules to (gnu packages python-build) ?
<zimoun>civodul, cbaines: hehe! thanks about option hints. Well, Friday procrastination, I have implemented levenshtein-distance and started to be able to hint. My question is: where do put this kind of stuff? (guix ui) or (guix scripts) or else?
<civodul>cbaines: having everything at guix.gnu.org might facilitate css sharing
<civodul>zimoun: neat! i'd put the Levenshtein bit itself maybe in a separate module
<Guest31059>I'm struggling to write a config.scm for SDDM that uses my xorg config, when I try and put xorg-configuration into sddm-configuration it throws "error: service 'xorg-server' provided more than once"
<jonsger>Guest31059: I think you need to remove the gdm service
<Guest31059>Ah thanks, I tried doing that but it's possible I messed up there. Let me send a snippet.
<mzbm>hello everyone, i'm trying to switcht my workflow to free (as in freedom ;)) software. I'm used to using jetbrains intellij but thats obviously proprietary. What is a good IDE that comes close to IntelliJ? Is the majority here using emacs?
<cbaines>mzbm, are you looking specifically for something to use for working on Guix?
<Aurora_v_kosmose>Ah yes, there's a few service frontends like that. Such as Nitter for twitter.
<jgart[m]>I tried nitter a few days ago. It's nice too.
<mroh>jgart: imho, invidious is a big burden to support, because it needs to be updated very frequently to function (often every few days, because yt changes something...) Also, it's written in crystal which we don't have (yet)...
<jgart[m]>If only we had a guile, racket, common lisp, or/and chicken port of invidious... :) We still need a racket-build-system.
<PotentialUser-38>Hi and thanks for gnu guix. The only available first language of Libreoffice in preferences is US English. It is not possible to add another one. What's will I have do to getting it localized? Thanks in advance
<lfam>Aurora_v_kosmose: The previous beagle device (X-15) is the probably the only 32-bit ARM SBC worth using with Guix, but it's a poor value compared to aarch64, unless you need 32-bit for some reason
<lfam>I don't think we plan to drop it (I'm the only person suggesting that).
<lfam>I would research the BeagleBoard X-15 (we already have a couple). I think it's the only hardware available for retail purchase with what counts as high-performance armv7 CPUs and reasonable storage (eSATA)
<lfam>There could be some other devices available — I haven't searched exhaustively
<srk>I'm running armv7l Novena laptop (was running previously as part of build farm as well), odroid-xu4 is decent but no SATA
<joshuaBPMan>lfam: I totally agree that free software requires no proprietary software...
<nij>roptat: It is running T_T Wish you were here yesterday.
<lfam>I think there is a lack of understanding of how much software is running in a computer. It seems like every part has its own CPU and its own OS, and they are all totally closed. This is considered okay, but if it's possible to upgrade one of those OSs, that is considered to be going too far...
<joshuaBPMan>however, I run a T400, and without the updated CPU microcode, my laptop just craps out on me once a week. Typically under heavy load.
<lfam>I guess I feel that the free software movement seems to think that we have free implementations of everything we need, so that it's reasonable to only use free software and free firmware. But I think we are still quite far from the goal
<lfam>I think that by ignoring what is missing we are actually slowing down our progress
<joshuaBPMan>lfam: I'm aware of SSDs having proprietary code running...what else it there?
<lfam>Almost every bit of hardware has a little operating system at this point
<nij>Aurora_v_kosmose: so do guix volunteers have to package one for each architecture ?
<rekado>Aurora_v_kosmose: research institutes and organizations like them aren’t really concerned with cost as long as it fits in the budget and doesn’t steal resources from other things that need to fit in the budget.
<Aurora_v_kosmose>nij: Not usually no, Guix checks the checksums of inputs, but for outputs, you can challenge or do multiple build runs and find differences.
<rekado>a budget that isn’t maxed out will be adjusted to fit the reduced demand
<Aurora_v_kosmose>For those packages which build reproducibly, a challenge will find an indentical package after building it.
<rekado>Aurora_v_kosmose: budgets rarely have just *one* source, so making them flexible would involve a *lot* of work with an unmanageably large number of parties. It’s one of those things that probably cannot be fixed as long as we all behave like humans.