<pkill9>i did that, WAYLAND_DISPLAY is the only one that cam eup
<pkill9>just to note, im trying to run an sdl program with SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland
<pkill9>i can run it through xwayland, but not with it set to wayland backend.
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<apteryx>hm, libgdata is failing its test suite for me: Bail out! GLib-Net:ERROR:../glib-networking-2.62.2/tls/base/gtlsconnection-base.c:1330:g_tls_connection_base_handshake_thread_verify_certificate: assertion failed: (priv->handshake_context)
<iyzsong-w>ss2: I think you want 'GUIX_PROFILE=$HOME/.config/guix/current; source $GUIX_PROFILE/etc/profile', if the 'profile' script see 'GUIX_PROFILE' environment variable, it'll set PATH to '$HOME/.config/guix/current/bin', otherwise it will be '/gnu/store/....../bin' (the later requires a shell re-login to update).
<PotentialUser-46>is it possible to set USdvorak and RUphonetic with grp:shift_caps_toggle in config.scm for Xorg, i couldnt do it, manual says 'one language with nondefault layout' or 'two languages with default layouts'
<nckx>PotentialUser-46: Is this what you mean (mine)? (keyboard-layout (keyboard-layout "us,us" "dvp,altgr-intl" #:options '("grp:win_space_toggle" ...))
<nckx>You'd replace the 2nd us with ru, and altgr-intl with... whatever 🙂
<nckx>It seemed to build fine, but then my system crashed for unrelated reasons.
<nckx>You can test it with ‘guix system build <downloaded file>’. If it builds, the error is elsewhere in your configuration. If not, there *might* be a bug (but I consider that unlikely at this point).
<PotentialUser-46>it was clean first install config, and i only touched so "us" would be "us,ru"... , it never accepted two languages because of invalid comma, ill learn more about guix and report if its a 100% bug
<nckx>PotentialUser-46: And what did you add as variant?
<PotentialUser-46>guix system: error: invalid character `,' in name `console-keymap.us,ru-builder'
<PotentialUser-46>went to "info guix" there was ',' and my us default comma is ',' there is a little difference in shapes of comma, but official manual comma is an invalid character too
<raghavgururajan>nckx: Help! Is guix.tobias.gr faster than bayfront? Looking for asking you to build rust toolchain (rust 1.23 to rust 1.39) on your build farm. rust 1.20, rust 1.21 and rust 1.22 took two days to finish building on bayfront. I still have other versions left. REPO: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git ; BRANCH: wip-desktop ; COMMIT: d4dbd512ff69536ba36e2e840b3f43cae044b20f
<PotentialUser-46>ill exit this chat because i have the cleanest newest guix that sees comma as invalid character in keyboard-layout, i have no more information
<nckx>PotentialUser-46 (even if gone): I asked you ‘guix system build’ the paste I posted (https://paste.gnome.org/pcp4tx0dy/xjq0p7/raw). If you don't do that and say exactly which error you get, nobody here can help you. That does not mean there's a bug in Guix.
<raghavgururajan>nckx: Thank you! Btw, if possible, after build finishes, could you login into bayfront and pull+cache those built substitutes, by rooting (--root)? It should become available to any user on bayfront right?
<nckx>Kimapr: dd uses regular OS I/O, so it writes fast to cache in RAM, then stops while they are slowly written, and repeat.
<apteryx>interesting. After debugging why my wifi performance and stability turned from stellar to crap I found out that using lower 5 GHz bands works much better than higher ones (e.g., channel 44 vs channel 100). The chip on the AP is a Atheros AR9220, and the client card is Atheros AR928X based.
<nckx>It's just not some direct-I/O magic like some seem to think.
<nckx>Kimapr: With > it's your shell doing the writing, but even that will work if you're in the disk group.
<Kimapr>wait, looks like i just burned guix installation image into *partition* instead of the *device*
<nckx>liltechdude: I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to do (feel free to send a longer mail to help-guix at gnu dot org if IRC isn't your jam). This link has all the bootstrap binaries so far, and it also happens to ping the expert: http://lilypond.org/janneke/guix/
<Kimapr>should i reflash it on the whole flashdrive instead or it the image doesn't have partition table?
<nckx>Kimapr: The Guix disc image isn't a single partition, quite the opposite. grub-mkrescue creates multiple (even contradictory) partition table types to ensure maximum compatibility. That's why you'll often see Macintosh files when you try to mount it.
<alextee[m]>it crashes a lot or freezes my pc and i get a general feeling it's not built with security/privacy in mind
<nckx>Random people are basically priced out of making ‘A Modern Browser’. The ‘standards’ move too fast for a team of unpaid full-timers to keep up. You have to limit yourself to a subset, and there are plenty of usable smaller browsers that simply don't implement the latest WebFoo. They will always be niche though, because you can't go to foo.google.com and cyber your grandma.
<apteryx>my partner uses it; doesn't seem to crash much if at all. But if you account that it's a very thin wrapper above webkit, then you're still at the mercy of a big company (Apple).
<nckx>*non-full-timers, but even a few unemployed zealots sitting around doing nothing else will have, at best, a bad time.
<alextee[m]>im sure if someone started a project and put in a lot of effort other people in the community would help too and it would become a thing. it's not hard to keep up with standards
<nckx>And why hasn't the rest of that sentence happened yet? 😛
<leoprikler>It's very hard to keep up with standards, especially if they start to require objectionable technology.
<alextee[m]>funding free software projects is another problem. i dont like how many free software devs work full time in companies doing random things (although some are lucky to be paid to work on free software). we should figure out ways to do free software full time
<bluekeys>I mean the installer, if i put it on a usb, do you think I'll be able to get it installed to my server which I can connect to with a serial port? Otherwise I'm gonna have to find a vga cable and keyboard
<nckx>bluekeys: Well, try it :-) If not, you can try booting with something like ‘console=tty0 console=ttyS1,115200n8’ on the kernel command line. If that's not enough, add an explicit (service mingetty-service-type (mingetty-configuration (tty "ttyS0"))) to your operating-system. That requires building your own installer.
<nckx>That's how I installed Guix on a serial-only VPS long ago.
<nckx>OTOH, I just checked two machines connected via USB-A (ttyACM) and neither require any specific configuration. Maybe it's been upstreamed. Hence, try first.
<nckx>I'd definitely try Fedora if that's what it looks like now.
<hendursaga>alextee[m]: Have you tested out GNUnet on Guix yet?
<apteryx>nckx: I believe so! I just looked at the latest entries, and saw a post about "portable service", which exposes more containerization facilities at the service definition level: http://0pointer.net/blog/
<alextee[m]>hendursaga: no, i only tried it for a few minutes when i was on parabola
<alextee[m]>is there a way to check which are my largest (in size) packages?
<joshuaBPMan>Hey guix people! I noticed that the default haunt package (as included in guix), does not work with skribilo documents. I created a custom package that hopefully lets haunt work with skribilio. But I can't quite get it to work.
<msavoritias[m]><joshuaBPMan "msavoritias: there's always the "> I don't like the founder. Both for political and for the way he treated the project braver recently. Also the whole crypto thing I find it questionable at best.
<bluekeys>I understand. Thank-you. My TV says if I contact them within 3 years, they will provide me the source code because it is GPL. I think I have to email them with proof of purchase. It's a nice TV. I should contact them, but I'm scared I'll break the TV.
<msavoritias[m]><joshuaBPMan "msavoritias: I completely agree."> True. I wish Mozilla would make their engine more plug and play
<msavoritias[m]><drakonis "because treating llvm like its l"> Anything using something non GLP 3 should be treated as less if you ask me. If you don't protect the freedom of your users don't expect me to help you.
<joshuaBPMan>leoprikler: check our private message for a joke from me.
<bluekeys>Someone's given me an old server. It's very nondescript. I've given in now, and have a vga and keyboard plugged in and the latest guix release on a usb. I can boot the usb and see some of the early boot process and then it all just goes black. What can I do to try and find the cause of the problem?
<apteryx>bluekeys: do you have a serial cable? You'd probably see something there.
<kmicu>That’s the fix for my old laptop with an ATI card.
<bluekeys>I can see 2 options, guix and drivers. I'm rebooting now to get back to it. 1 moment please...
<joshuaBPMan>nckx: That's what solved it for me too. With my AMD APU.
<bluekeys>I have a serial, but it was getting stuck at Welcome to GRUB!. I could plug in a vga and see things happen that were being entered over serial but in the end I disconnected the serial and just stuck with vga and a keyboard. I wasn't getting any additional output over the serial that I couldn't already see on the screen
<nckx>‘keeps graphics simple’☝ that's basically it, depending on your definition of simple (no part of the Linux console code is simple). It disables KMS (kernel mode-setting), which some free drivers don't support well. At least that's my understanding since I don't own any affected cards.
<bluekeys>I'm happy with that. Do you think I'm being too ambitious if I enable the tor anonymous network router. I'm already worried my network cards aren't going to work...
<bluekeys>Wow, the system is pulling bits from ci.guix.gnu.org. I guess the network card just works! I'm too far in to disable the choice to use tor. What is the effect expected to be? All traffic leaving the device goes via tor? Is that correct?
<bluekeys>Wow. I'm stoked. I've been fighting against my laptop and foreign distro config but am not in a position I can just kill the laptop's OS and install guix. Having guix hosted on bare metal on a decent server is going to be rad!
<joshuaBPMan>bluekeys: Oh yeah. If you get to understanding nginx, you could start hosting static blog pages for friends or people.