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<raghav-gururajan>Blackbread I see.
<jonsger>raghav-gururajan: would welcome the guix edit patch. As I usually dont have emacs installed...
<mbakke>apteryx: I'm a bit confused about the parallel development of linphone on core-updates and master, do you think you can take care of merging master into core-updates?
<Parra>where can I find the code related to cross-compile with mingw?
<Parra>is it that one?
<raghav-gururajan>jonsger Sure, will send it by today :-)
<raghav-gururajan>sneek, later tell ngz: Thanks for pushing udevil :-)
<sneek>Got it.
<raghav-gururajan>mbakke Only linphoneqt is missing in master. All other packages related to linphone, including liblinphone are available in master. :-)
<raghav-gururajan>Btw, liblinphone also provides legacy GTK client.
<raghav-gururajan>apteryx I think we should also rename linphoneqt to linphone-desktop.
<raghav-gururajan>jonsger Are there any instances in guix, other than `guix edit`, where a default editor value to be set?
<anadon>Good evening all
<dissoc3>is the guix emacs package broken when trying to install packages?
<dissoc3>i want to make a package for apache cassandra. im pretty new to writing packages. is there anything anyone can think of that would be similar that I can refer to ?
<plstohelp>i had my vm crash during a pull
<plstohelp>an now when i try to pull, i get this
<plstohelp>guix pull: error: error parsing derivation `/gnu/store/6m9iiwb8xj9qgjvw4zb235srbj0m8nqd-compute-guix-derivation.drv': expected string `Derive(['
<plstohelp>can't delete it, it says "read only filesystem
<plstohelp>the file itself is totally empty
<lfam>plstohelp: Are you using `guix system vm`?
<ryanprior>In a package build, how do you get the path of installed files?
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<ryanprior>I want to do something like
<ryanprior>(symlink (assoc-ref %build-outputs "io.elementary.sideload") (assoc-ref %build-outputs "sideload"))
<ryanprior>No idea if assoc-ref is what I want or not I've just been looking at other packages for clues and saw that.
<dsmith-work>Someone say something..
<ryanprior>hi dsmith-work =D
<dsmith-work>sneek: seen ryanprior?
<sneek>I last saw ryanprior in #guix 17 seconds ago, saying: hi dsmith-work =D.
<dsmith-work>sneek: seen RhodiumToad?
<sneek>RhodiumToad was in (here?) 1 hour and 13 minutes ago, saying: "flexible" presumably in the sense of not conforming to some fixed predefined schema..
<dsmith-work>sneek: seen RhodiumToad?
<sneek>RhodiumToad was in #guile 54 seconds ago, saying: moo.
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<dsmith-work>ryanprior: Thanks.
<dsmith-work>I've been updating the bot a bit.
<dsmith-work>It no longer mistakenly responds to "seen". Only the bot's actual nick.
<dsmith-work>The last seen info now includes the channel and a text time, like "5 years ago".
<dsmith-work>or days, minutes, etc, depending on how long ago.
<lfam>ryanprior: Likely, you need to build a path with something like (string-append (assoc-ref %build-outputs "out") "/bin/sideload")
<lfam>ryanprior: What are %build-outputs? Usually, just the default "out" output.
<lfam>Once in a while a package will define multiple outputs, and each output creates its own store item.
<ryanprior>Oh I don't know that %build-outputs is even a thing. I see a package that uses (assoc-ref %build-inputs "libmediainfo") and I was like hmm that seems kinda like what I want.
<ryanprior>How do you use the "out" output normally? In terms of getting paths to files installed there?
<lfam>ryanprior: Just do the default thing, like `make install`
<lfam>Check the fastqc package definition for an example of symlinks
<ryanprior>Okay let me check that package
<lfam>Especially the 'install' phase
<lfam>It starts by defining some variables like out, bin, share, and then it uses them
<lfam>You're right, there is no %build-outputs. It's just %outputs
<anadon>Would someone be able to guide me through dumb stuff I'm getting wrong in packaging tonight?
<ryanprior>Holy buckets I got it right on the first try after reading the fastqc package. Perfect recommendation thank you.
<lfam>Great :)
<ryanprior>I don't actually know what lambda* does in guile but I am going to look that up next.
<lfam>Sorry if you've already seen it but I find the Guile procedure index really helpful:
<ryanprior>no lmao my guile is actually terrible. I know a decent amount of racket, clojure, and elisp, so my default when writing guile is "write racket and go to the docs when something doesn't work" X.X
<ryanprior>That link indeed looks helpful and I'm bookmarking it
<raghavgururajan>Where is guix's code is located inside the git tree?
<raghavgururajan>I am looking for `guix edit`
<lfam>raghavgururajan: The command line tools are in 'guix/scripts'
<raghavgururajan>lfam Thanks!
<raghavgururajan>civodul jonsger: I have sent the patch for `guix edit`. #40785. :-)
<raghavgururajan>sneek, later tell foobar: You do not exist.
<sneek>Got it.
<raghavgururajan>I figured this would be a bug in the bot. xD
<raghavgururajan>sneek, later tell amyamshapmpamkirikri: Whatever.
<sneek>Got it.
<raghavgururajan>Oh boy.
<raghavgururajan>dsmith-work Check this out. ^
<Gooberpatrol66>is there some way to get line numbers for errors in guix pull log files?
<pkill9>what could be causing this test failure? this is build for i686-linux, whereas the x86-64 version passes tests:
<ryanprior>I'm working on packaging an app that requires libflatpak. guix already packages flatpak- is there a way to require it as a library dependency, or do I have to package it that way specifically?
<raghavgururajan>bandali You around?
<bandali>raghavgururajan, sup?
<Blackbeard>ryanprior: do you try as an input? What application is it?
<ryanprior>Blackbeard I tried it as an input and a native-input. The application is Sideload
<Blackbeard>ryanprior: what is the error you get?
<raghavgururajan>bandali Was wondering i you received my email regarding thunderbird?
<ryanprior>during phase configure: "Dependency flatpak found: NO (tried cmake)"
<bandali>raghavgururajan, i did, i just haven't had a chance to send a reply yet :-)
<raghavgururajan>bandali Cool! Take your time. Just wanted to double check. :-)
<lfam>pkill9: Can you reproduce it locally? There may be more detailed logs in the build directory
<bandali>raghavgururajan, cheers :-) i'll get to it by the end of this week
<raghavgururajan>bandali :-)
<raghavgururajan>bandali If you are available, would you be able to review and push #40708?
<pkill9>lfam: it fails but i haven't checked it's for the same reason, but it probably is
<pkill9>can't try right now
<bandali>raghavgururajan, looks like lfam just sent a reply on it :-)
<ryanprior>Blackbeard another interesting thing about this (or maybe not interesting & just surprising to me) is that sideload uses the meson build system, but it's cmake complaining about not seeing the dependency.
<ryanprior>It originally complained about not having cmake, so I added that as a native-input, and then cmake complains about not being able to see flatpak.
<raghavgururajan>bandali That's different. lfam was working on #40707. :-)
<raghavgururajan>bandali Oh never mind. I just received it.
<bandali>raghavgururajan, :-)
<Blackbeard>ryanprior: interesting 🤔
<ryanprior>Blackbeard here's my package definition if you want to try it.
<ryanprior>I'm trying to build an application (Sideload) that uses libflatpak, but despite using the meson build system, it's failing with a message about cmake can't find the flatpak dependency. I added cmake and flatpak to the native-inputs but something is misconfigured & I'm at a dead end right now looking for clues.
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior (arguments `(#:configure-flags (list (string-append "OPTION_FOR_FLATPAK=" (string-append (assoc-ref %buid-inputs "libflatpak") "/include")))))
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior Could you share your package definition?
<ryanprior>raghavgururajan no problem:
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior What does error message say? Could you share that as well?
<ryanprior>raghavgururajan I updated my package with your flag idea and re-ran the build, both included in full here:
<ryanprior>Maybe I did your flag idea wrong, let me know what you think
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior (arguments `(#:configure-flags (list (string-append "-Dflatpak=" (assoc-ref %buid-inputs "libflatpak")))))
<raghavgururajan>Could you try that.
<ryanprior>Sure trying now
<raghavgururajan>*libflatbak ---> flatpak
<ryanprior>No apparent improvement, I updated the gist again with the new def & corresponding log
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior "ERROR: Could not generate cargs for flatpak:" is different.
<ryanprior>Hmm I'm pretty sure I've seen that before
<raghavgururajan>Add a dependencies of flatpak dirctly in your package definition.
<ryanprior>And it still says "Dependency flatpak found: NO (tried cmake)"
<raghavgururajan>*a --> all
<ryanprior>Oh okay yeah I'll try that
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior In the package definition of flatpak, some dependency might not be propagated. And you package is looking for flatpak with it's deps. Since they are not propagated, it mistakenly tells you it could not find flatpak. But "could generate cargs", I have dealt with gnome packages.
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior As a start, copy all the inputs of flatpak to the definition of your sideload package. Check wether error stops. If so, then try to remove copied inputs one by one and rebuild. Once you hit the error again, then that's the input you need. Keep that and remove other copied inputs.
<ryanprior>Aaaand a little troubleshooting later, we've got a sideload package. Thanks guix!! & especially raghavgururajan, Blackbeard
<ryanprior>Unclear whether it /actually works/, but it builds and runs.
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior Glad it worked.
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior I guess it was libostree
<ryanprior>What makes you say that?
<raghavgururajan>It was one of the main deps of flatpak.
<raghavgururajan>Did you keep all the copied inputs?
<raghavgururajan>You probably don't need all of them.
<ryanprior>I started by adding all of them,I can remove a bunch and test. Is there a way to automatically discover unneeded dependencies or do I have to do it by hand/hunch?
<ryanprior>Now that I've got the package built, it runs, but it hits a snag when I try to actually install a flatpak by its ref.
<ryanprior>Can't load dependent file TLS support is not available
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior Probably trial and error. But my best is libostree is what is required.
<raghavgururajan>You would need "glib-networking" for TLS support.
<ryanprior>I do have that as a propagated input already.
<raghavgururajan>Then, try "gnutls".
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior Oh wait. You might actually need to add "#:glib-or-gtk? #t" as argument.
<elais>does the clojure package install the cli tools as well?
<ryanprior>That did the trick, now we're cooking
<ryanprior>elais it does not, to my despair
<elais>mine too :-/
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior Glad it worked :-)
<elais>any thoughts on how to get clojure-tools-deps packaged? Are there some obvious problems installing clojure with the cli?
<ryanprior>Woo I'm excited, this was my first attempt at a slightly hairier package, and it laid the groundwork for some other ones I'm interested in
<ryanprior>elais I remember there being some talk about the difficulty of building a bootstrappable CLI, because it requires the CLI to build the CLI, or something like that
<xelxebar>ryanprior: Nice work bootstrapping your packaging skillz.
<xelxebar>Masochistically, I chose a tool which needs an associated service as my first attempt at packaging.
<ryanprior>xelxebar it's been daunting at times! The last time I tried building a few packages, I bounced off pretty hard after working on it almost every day for a couple weeks. I read a ton of docs, did a ton of troubleshooting, and didn't get things building.
<ryanprior>I picked it up again this last weekend and have had much more success. Looking back at my old package files I can see I was really close.
<ryanprior>I'm planning to do some writing and maybe build some tools to help people get started with packaging. I'm a big fan of and want to explore something similar for guix.
<xelxebar>Holy moly. You must be working on highly non-trivial ones. What exactly did you get working this time?
<ryanprior>I started with packages I hoped would be really trivial. I looked for things with very few dependencies, all of which were already in guix, so I would have a straight shot.
<ryanprior>One thing that gave me much better results this week than before: instead of reading docs and Guix source code, I'm now reading other Guix packages, including grepping in the `guix/gnu/packages` folder for bits of text I think might be helpful.
<xelxebar>Oh, yeah. Pilfering ideas from other working examples is pure gold.
<ryanprior>Trying to piece together guix from the documentation just didn't work for me, I put about 30 hours into that and learned a lot of interesting things but did not build any packages.
<xelxebar>Do you have packaging experience for any other distros?
<ryanprior>Yeah I've done ruby gems, debian packaging, and docker.
<ryanprior>I've also done a lot of Ansible and Chef work which is similar to packaging.
<xelxebar>Hrm. I recall a similar Struggle TM when packaging something for the very first time. It happened to be on Void Linux, but I found the conceptual framework to translate relatively nicely.
<xelxebar>Sounds like you've got a pretty broad range of experience.
<rekado>ryanprior: Guix has a bunch of importers that generate code from upstream repositories
<elais> Yeah I've done terraform which sort of prepared me to package stuff
<ryanprior>I remember struggling for about a week when learning Docker, and I felt like the curve was steeper for guix than for docker. There's still some things I'm not clear how to do, but I feel like I'm making progress every day now.
<rekado>for R packages, for example, that are on CRAN or Bioconductor you can do “guix import cran -r the-name” and it’ll spit out code that is almost ready to be pasted into gnu/packages/cran.scm
<elais>though I'e only packaged midori and cmt
<ryanprior>Ooh Midori is a cool package, thanks for doing that elais.
<elais>I didn't package the one in the repo
<ryanprior>rekado I have seen the docs for that but haven't tried it, I will definitely give it a shot soon.
<elais>I packaged one a long time ago and let it rot in my repo because I couldn't get video working
<elais>turns out that wasn't my fault, I think for a while webkitgtk was on the strugglebus
<ryanprior>Oh ha, I'm going to try and get these packages I'm building accepted into upstream guix. I submitted my first one yesterday, feel free to critique:
<ryanprior>Or here's the package file in my repo if you prefer that over reading patches
<elais>I really want to get clojure working
<elais>if I can bootstrap that I can use it as a bargaining chip for work
<ryanprior>elais I would be thrilled if you do, and would be happy to contribute to the effort :)
<elais>well, I wonder how hard it will be to bootstrap boot?
<rekado>ryanprior: I’ll take a look at now
<elais>Someone has already packaged lein
<ryanprior>rekado sweet thank you :)
<ryanprior>elais oh word what's the package name?
<elais>it's in nonguix
<elais>I don't think lein is nonfree so its ok to talk about it
<ryanprior>Oh is it in nonguix because it isn't bootstrappable?
<ryanprior>lein is Eclipse license, same as most of Clojure
<elais>that may be it
<rekado>would be nice if the nonguix people separated free and nonfree stuff.
<ryanprior>three channels: good, bad, ugly (nonfree)
<elais>then what's bad?
<rekado>ideally the good stuff would make it to Guix proper
*rekado builds visidata
<elais>I have an aborted attempt at libinput-gestures
<elais>I mean, it half works
<ryanprior>bad could be for free malware samples and rats and stuff, useful to researchers but not stuff you'd want to install outside of your research vm
<ryanprior>I'm in security so I install a decent amount of "bad" software X.X
<elais>I had designs on turning it into a service but then I rage uninstalled Guix System. I'm still working on guixy things but I can't with system right now
<rekado>mbakke: yesterday I ran a very long “guix gc” job to free 2T of data. This did free up 2T of data but in the meantime the used space had grown by 1T. Now we’re back at 3.8T free space, 1T less than we had just yesterday.
<rekado>I see that there are quite a few mcron processes, all running at the same time.
*raghavgururajan is working on packaging GNU Gnash, a good old swf player. It would be useful to play legacy flash files.
<ryanprior>raghavgururajan fyi Gnash is years out of date and never supported modern versions of SWF.
<ryanprior>Ruffle is a free software player that's funded by Newgrounds and others. It also cannot run modern versions of SWF, though. We'll see if they have more endurance than previous efforts.
<raghavgururajan>ryanprior I am aware. There is no flash development anymore. Some good documentries, learning materials etc are only found in swf formats. This app would be good.
<ryanprior>Oh good, yeah I agree there's a ton of web history in swf.
<raghavgururajan>Yeah, primarily educational stuffs like animations for physics, chemistry and biology.
<ryanprior>Ken Perlin's website has a ton of classic experiments in design and animation, but they all depend on Java Web Start which you can't even use with modern browsers anymore.
<raghavgururajan>I learnt DNA replication soley by animation. Text book images was not helpful.
<raghavgururajan>I am glad that atleast CRISPR-Cas9 (tool behind designer-babies) are now in webm format.
<rekado>designer have to have babies
<rekado>ryanprior: commit c47f48d972 adds visidata
<raghavgururajan>One of my gene-therapy research goals involve extensive use of CRISPR-Cas9.
<rekado>I made only a handful of changes: gnu/ should use tabs, fixed the indentation of visidata.scm, ran guix lint over it, and adjusted the patch to gnu/ which no longer applied
<rekado>raghavgururajan: I’ve been working with Cas13
*rekado cleans up big stuff by explicitly deleting files mentioned at /gnu/big-stuff
<raghavgururajan>rekado Nice! What project?
<raghavgururajan>Did you buy the protein or isolated yourself?
<ryanprior>rekado thank you for looking at visidata, I'm happy to be an official contributor now! I will have a few more packages for consideration within the next week. :)
<rekado>raghavgururajan: we synthesized a bunch of Cas13 variants. The project is super secret as yet unpublished research :)
<rekado>ryanprior: congrats on your first patch to Guix!
<ryanprior>I used to work in solid state protein synthesis, fun stuff.
<raghavgururajan>rekado That's cool! I didn't know you were working in wet lab stuffs.
<rekado>I don’t, but I’m involved in a very small number of wet lab projects.
<raghavgururajan>Ah I see. Do you perform the lab work or you are taking care bioinformatic stuff?
<rekado>in this case neither; I designed and built some equipment that’s central for the experiments
<rekado>hmm, displays some emails twice.
<rekado>I guess the debbugs log file must be listing them twice for obscure reasons
<raghavgururajan>Ah that's great. I would like to discuss more later. I like this stuff, bio+comp.
<raghavgururajan>My lab days are over. As I am changing my career to IT. But will integrate IT with BioInfo, to work on gene therapy stuffs.
<raghavgururajan>sneek, later tell civodul: When you are available, let me know if everything okay with #40785. Thanks!
<sneek>Will do.
<PotentialUser-60>hey guys
<PotentialUser-60>does someone know when the Cookbook will be up?
<raghavgururajan>PotenrialUser-60 It is available.
<raghavgururajan> --> help --> cookbook
<PotentialUser-60>404 Not Found
<PotentialUser-60>at the bottom
<raghavgururajan>It works for me
<PotentialUser-60>ah so the whole html one page doesn't work only
<raghavgururajan>Ah yes, whole html not working for me either.
<raghavgururajan>Not sure, what happened.
<rekado>this has been reported before; not sure what’s going on there
<rekado>would be good if someone could investigate where things go wrong
*rekado updates mumi
<raghavgururajan>I guess html links are broken.
<raghavgururajan>pointing to wrong driectory or page.
<rekado>well, that’s the question: are the links wrong or has the manual not been generated fully?
<rekado>I suppose the answer will be in maintenance.git
<raghavgururajan>I just tried tinkering with URL.. Doesn't changing anything. So it leads html file not being generated.
<rekado>mbakke: something must be keeping disk-image and qemu-image items alive; they cannot be removed
<rekado>I see that, for example, /gnu/store/ has two links
<rekado>but I can’t seem to find what else links to it.
<rekado>hah, I think it’s all those roots for ’*-test’
*rekado reconfigures and restarts mcron
<xelxebar>rekado: What do you do that lets you contribute so much to guix?
<xelxebar>"do" meaning in terms how you make a living
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<plstohelp>Ifam: i am IN a vm
<plstohelp>but i am not using guix system vm
<plstohelp>to clarify, guix is in a vm
<plstohelp>it crashed during a pull
<plstohelp>and now pulling is broken, with the error message i posted earlier today
<rekado>xelxebar: I have convinced the right people that Guix is work.
<xelxebar>\o/ Are they hiring??
<rekado>yes, but the tasks are unlikely to involve work on Guix
<rekado>we do offer internships, but they are unpaid AFAIK
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<xelxebar>Hrm. I need a full position. Just exited a Ph.D. since the future prospects were looking bleak. Trying to get back into industry.
<nouqfon>Anyone know if it would be possible to (with some work) run Guix on the PinePhone?
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<elais>maybe when we get it working on the pinebook?
<xelxebar>nouqfon: Probably would require a bit of nongnu stuff, at least for the modem blobs
<nouqfon>I see. I would be okay with that for personal use, but I understand that cannot be included in the repos. I'm wondering more about the amount of work involved to get it up and running. I've got a PinePhone on the way and a lot of free time during the summer, so I thought it could be an interesting little project.
<liltechdude>Hello! While I am try to create package from small python package without dependeces I catch bag, that without explicitly add this library to PYTHONPATH
<liltechdude>oh sorry misclick
<liltechdude>Hello! While I am try to create package from small python package without dependeces I catch bag, that without explicitly add this library to PYTHONPATH I cannot use this library from python this paste contain package definition and shell output. Sorry for my poor english.
<xelxebar>nouqfon: I can't speak from direct experience, but my guess would be that the work boils mostly down to packaging up the necessary userland utils.
<xelxebar>Not sure if linux-libre would run on it. Apparently it typically runs the mainline kernel.
<nouqfon>I would be okay with compiling the kernel from scratch. Mostly worried about device drivers and such tbh, and also the linux mobile applications e.g. Phosh. How involved do you think such things would be?
<xelxebar>Well, the wiki gives a list of distros that apparently run on it:
<xelxebar>I interpret that to mean that drivers likely wouldn't be an issue.
<nouqfon>Indeed. In fact I think I saw that Guix supports the SoC already (A64 was mentioned when reading the running Guix on ARM blogs)
<xelxebar>Guix runs on arm, right?
<nouqfon>But it seems every ARM device has a unique bootloader or something of the sort
<nouqfon>My experience with ARM devices is limited to Raspberry Pis. But would love to be able to run Guix on my phone.
<xelxebar>I agree that it would be awesome
<nouqfon>I also saw that NixOS is mentioned as supported. From what I understand it shares many similarities with Guix?
<xelxebar>liltechdude: I've never a python thing before, but perhaps propagated-inputs is something you need?
<xelxebar>I've never *packaged* a python thing before...
<xelxebar>nouqfon: Yeah, that's super encouraging, especially since guix has a nix importer.
<nouqfon>Oh that's neat. I guess I will try this when I receive my device. Exciting times!
<rekado>xelxebar: we have an open postdoc position:
<bricewge>nouqfon: It will likely work on Guix. The wiki page state that PureOS is supported, which is also a FSDG distribution so there shouldn't been any blob
<nouqfon>Excellent. Then it will mostly be a matter of packaging the phone shell etc.?
<rekado>nouqfon: I have seen recent work on building a kernel for the pinebook
<rekado>vagrantc and efraim probably know more about this
<thvk-ivgf>and janneke
<xelxebar>bricewge: Yeah, the PureOS thing confused me. I mean, you need a modem blob unless you don't care about using the phone part of the phone.
<nouqfon>I read on some posts at the Pine64 subreddit (I think it was) that the PinePhone needs drivers not included in the kernel (yet?), so it would need a custom kernel. But like I said earlier I would be fine building the kernel from scratch.
<liltechdude>xelxebar: i dont think that it help, because package works fine. Only I need is add symblink to default PYTHONPATH
*rekado looks into adding indexed search to the log viewer
<xelxebar>liltechdude: Grepping for PYTHONPATH in gnu/packages/ turns up lots of results. Not sure if any of those are helpful?
<xelxebar>Is there a convention on where to place new package definitions inside existing gnu/package/foo.scm files?
<bricewge>xelxebar, nouqfon The LTE modem don't need blobs to run, only the wifi an bluetooth have to load blob at boot
<xelxebar>They look non-alphebetically organized, and a cursory glance at git blame seems to indicate that new packages are tacked on the end...
<bricewge>So no wifi, bt or autofocus on Guix, the rest should run fine with free software only.
<xelxebar>bricewge: "... the Quectel EG25-G LTE modem runs its own closed-source OS"
<xelxebar>Am I misreading something?
<xelxebar>Is that on a rom chip or something which can be floss-ily initialized?
<bricewge>No you are reading it right, since it's firmware don't need to be loaded ab boot and it interface trough USB there is no need to add blob here in Guix
<bricewge>Contrary to the wifi and bt
<nouqfon`>Thanks for this source. Sorry if this is taboo to ask here, but would it be possible to load the firmware for Wifi/BT for personal use?
<xelxebar>Okay. Thanks for spelling it out for me.
<rekado>nouqfon`: linux-libre does not support loading firmware blobs for deblobbed drivers. It’s a missing feature.
<rekado>while we don’t include non-free software and won’t encourage its use linux-libre should allow users to manually load blobs if they wish.
<rekado>but this is a long-standing missing feature in linux-libre
<rekado>I don’t know if upstream is working to address this. I don’t think they are.
<nouqfon`>Thank you.
<lprndn>Hello guix!
<nouqfon`>Could someone help me properly set up the Guix daemon on a foreign distro? I am running Guix on a Gentoo system with the OpenRC init. I set up /etc/init.d/guix-daemon similar to this but when stopping/restarting the daemon/shutting down I get the error "start-stop-daemon: no matching processes found".
<lprndn>bricewge: Don't know if you've seen it, I sent patches for the new version of lightdm's service :D
<bricewge>Great news! I'll look into it.
<cbaines>nouqfon`, I've never used OpenRC, but that usage of start-stop-daemon doesn't look great
<lprndn>by the way, if anyone is daring enough to review or test it, help yourself! ;) (bait: it starts wayland sessions too)
<nouqfon`>I agree. I am not really experienced with writing scripts for OpenRC, so I copied the one from the Guix overlay.
<cbaines>nouqfon`, have you got an example of a better written OpenRC init file?
<nouqfon`>Hmm, which application would you prefer?
<bricewge>lprndn: I struggle a bit with debbugs, I tought that responding to a bug I would get all the next update from it but it doesn't looks like it's the case.
<nouqfon`>I can paste any usual system application
<cbaines>nouqfon`, I guess something similar, a simple daemon would be good
<nouqfon`>A moment...
<lprndn>bricewge: Might be my bad, I fiddled a little with my mail's header...
<bricewge>I don't think so, i had the same issue with #40480
<nouqfon`>Here are pastes for libvirtd and git-daemon:
<cbaines>nouqfon`, that looks quite complicated. I found an example of using the pidfile functionality of start-stop-daemon here:
<nouqfon`>Thanks, I will have a look. Perhaps I will ask the Gentoo IRC for further help with OpenRC. I had kind of assumed it was something unique to the Guix daemon, but I guess I just have a poorly written config file.
<cbaines>nouqfon`, I'd hope that if you can get start-stop-daemon to use a pidfile, then it'll work fine
<nouqfon`>Could you give me an ELI5 of how pidfiles work? So we can find the pid with the script later on?
<cbaines>nouqfon`, Sure, start-stop-daemon starts the guix-daemon, then writes the PID down in a file. When it comes time to stop the guix-daemon, start-stop-daemon reads the PID from the file, and tells that process to stop.
<nouqfon`>Ahh I see. Thanks. I will read the instructions you provided and give it a try!
<rekado>cbaines: I can’t get a shell on bayfront (ssh authentication works fine). Can you still connect?
<cbaines>rekado, I'll try, it hasn't connected yet.
<cbaines>Looks like bayfront is under quite a lot of load
<cbaines>there's only ~235GB of space left
<cbaines>rekado, I'm connected...
<cbaines>I'll stop cuirass... hopefully that'll reduce the load
<cbaines>Stopping cuirass took ages, but I think it's stopped now, and the load is starting to come down
<cbaines>rekado, you should be able to connect without any trouble now
<nouqfon`>cbaines: A question about the pidfile for the Guix daemon. In which path should such a file be put?
<rekado>cbaines: thank you
<efraim>nouqfon`: do you have a /var/run? on Guix System I see a couple of PIDs there
<cbaines>nouqfon`, I don't know where they'd usually be in Gentoo, but maybe /var/run/
<nouqfon`> /var/run seems to be correct. Thanks!
<nouqfon`>Ah actually it is /run and /var/run is a symlink to this location.
<nouqfon`>Can I run the Guix daemon as a non-root user?
<efraim>maybe with some system modifications, it needs to be able to create chroots and use namespaces, but in general you want to run the daemon as root.
<nouqfon`>Ah I see. I will continue to do so then. Just curious.
<nouqfon`>cbaines: Just to let you know, stopping the Guix daemon works perfectly while using a pidfile. Thanks a lot!
<cbaines>nouqfon`, great :)
<nouqfon`>When updating Guix on a foreign distro, is it sufficient to run 'sudo -i guix pull', or do I need to run 'sudo -i guix package -u' as well?
<cbaines>nouqfon`, assuming you're using root's guix for the daemon, that'll be updated by sudo -i guix pull
<cbaines>you'll need to restart the daemon to actually update it though
<nouqfon`>Thanks. I was confused as the output of guix pull seemed to indicate I also needed to update packages after the fact.
<cbaines>Well, if you've installed any packages as root, then that would be true
<cbaines>Maybe it should check that...
<nouqfon`>I only have the glibc locales installed for the root user.
<cbaines>nouqfon`, oh, and going back to OpenRC, the Guix Git repository includes Upstart, Systemd and sysvinit scripts, but you could send the OpenRC config as a patch if you'd like
<cbaines>also, the installer script doesn't have OpenRC support yet
<nouqfon`>I'm afraid I don't know how to write shell scripts
<xelxebar_>Why are the po/**.po files generated by make not ignored?
<bricewge>xelxebar_: +1
<thvk-ivgf>nouqfon`: there is some examples (hope it relevant :)
<nouqfon`>Thanks. Actually I managed to get a working OpenRC init script for guix-daemon, but I wouldn't know how to patch the Guix installer to include support for it.
<asmodehn>Hi everyone, I was wondering if there is a guide somewhere to build a guix image (vm, docker, etc.), but **only from guix packages** that can be installed on any OS/platform...
<thvk-ivgf>`chk_init_sys()` and `case "$INIT_SYS" in` from likely need to be extended, and it's all (idk)?
<nouqfon`>Hmm. I see. Seems pretty simple. I will see if I get the time in a few weeks. Currently in the middle of exams and all of that good stuff...
<asmodehn>to be more precise, I have guix (packages) on an ubuntu system. I want to build my guix config (to build qemu vms), but guix system vm-image fails, and I have no idea why...
<thvk-ivgf>nouqfon`: thanks
<thvk-ivgf>asmodehn: do it throws anything when fail?
<nouqfon`>thvk-ivgf if you are in need of the OpenRC init script I can share it with you?
<asmodehn>thvk-ivgf: nope... I m investigating and I think it has to do with the fact that I dont know how to use qemu... the log says : qemu-system-x86_64: failed to initialize KVM: Permission denied
<thvk-ivgf>nouqfon`: thanks, but i'm on shepherd now
<thvk-ivgf>asmodehn: "To use guix system vm and related commands, you may need to add the _build users_ to the kvm group so they can access /dev/kvm,"
<thvk-ivgf>2.4.1, Manual
<asmodehn>ah k, thx... I ll go check that then...
<sneek>Welcome back civodul, you have 1 message!
<sneek>civodul, raghavgururajan says: When you are available, let me know if everything okay with #40785. Thanks!
<thvk-ivgf>sneek: botsnack
<bricewge>Is it okay to go over the line lenght limit whem dealing with long strings (54 character path here) to keep the code readable
<bricewge>As is gnu/services/sddm.scm for example.
<civodul>if it's not too long it's ok, but sometimes it's IMO clearer to split the string
<bricewge>Understood. Not too long as?
<civodul>well, dunno, it's very subjective :-)
<civodul>"too long" as in "way beyond 80 chars" i guess :-)
<bricewge>Okay, I'll go with the >90 character from report-long-line then
<anadon>Good morning guix!
<TZander>does guix do bounties? I'd support anyone fixing the slow downloads. Looks like it closes the connection after each sustitute if tinished downloading.
<anadon>TZander: Like money bounties?
<TZander>I'd pledge in Bitcoin Cash, if that helps.
<nikita`>i guess like bounty source, etc
<efraim>Nothing official
<nagamalli>Hi,When i applied build command for updation of package , It was stopped at this point ...... waiting for locks or build slots...
<nagamalli>I thought it was internet issues, when i try to apply again it's always stucking on there only.
<nagamalli>can anyone suggest why that was happening?
<nagamalli>substitute: /gnu/store/q19l04vd2za80mk1845pz7r8cz29qk43-bash-minimal-4.4.23/bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8)
<nagamalli>18.8 MB will be downloaded:
<nagamalli> /gnu/store/3p24vc7v6cnd50a722kh910mnn3zlqsw-git-minimal-2.26.2
<nagamalli>waiting for locks or build slots..
<TZander>If anyone is interested in upgrading Qt, I started the work at
<rekado>nagamalli: this means that some builds are already ongoing, including some that are preconditions for your current build
<rekado>TZander: also available at
<bdju>deluge on nixos updated to the new major version, maybe that'll make it easier for someone to update the guix package
<rekado>bdju: is deluge particularly difficult to upgrade?
<bdju>it was out of date on both distros for a really long time, not sure if it's especially difficult
<bricewge>bdju: I'm working on it
<bricewge>I just need to tidy the patchset
<bdju>the new daemon was incompatible with the old client, though, so I've been stuck using deluge-console for ages, even started switching over some things to transmission
<bdju>bricewge: oh, awesome!
<rekado>TZander: why did you delete the part that disables widevine?
<anadon>I think the go-1.4 dependancy gcc:lib needs to actually be gcc-toolchain, and to exist as a propagated input. I'm running `go build...` on a project, and the failure related to glibc missing, it using gcc-7.2, and some other weirdness. Thoughts?
<bricewge>bdju: After that I'll try making a service
<rekado>TZander: you also removed a few lines that patch qtbase, but you didn’t remove the patches themselves. Please also mention changes like that in the commit message.
<rekado>anadon: sounds like the correct thing to do to fix the error. Could you post to guix-devel to discuss the proposed change?
<rekado>TZander: since a lot of packages would be rebuilt when changing Qt, please make sure to rebase your patches on top of the core-updates branch.
<TZander>rekado: re widevine, I don't recall doing that, I'll have to check. May have been a mistake.
<anadon>rekado: Sent. Can you see it?
<jonsger>crazy. YouTube is delivering some videos already as AV1 even on my powerpc :P
<anadon>AV1 is a pretty good standard from what I understand.
<jonsger>some weeks ago they still used only VP9 for my browsers
<jonsger>now only all the other video deliveries apart from YouTube and Netflix need to switch from H26x to AV1...
<buffet>hey guix, is there an easy way to check what module a package is in? atm i do `guix edit <PKG>` and then go to the top of the file, and i feel like that could be improved
<cbaines>buffet, guix show will tell you the location
<buffet>i just realized that guix search at least shows the file its defined in (which seems to match the module name)
<thvk-ivgf>buffet: there is `recsel` from recutils (`guix show xyz| recsel -p location`)
<kmicu>[jokin’] This is not acceptable!
<buffet>thvk-ivgf, thats more like it, thanks a lot
<civodul>anyone happens to know if we have marginnote.sty (texlive) in a package?
<cbaines>I see /gnu/store/iqiy2p84yxd1sjchdqd7p5kdr0xkwdhg-texlive-texmf-20180414/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/marginnote/marginnote.sty
<civodul>ah, but that's the big texlive package
<civodul>i was hoping to use the modular texlive
<civodul>"guix import texlive marginnote" doesn't work, presumably because it's under contrib/:
<cbaines>that was the only occurance on my machine, but I don't know what modular texlive stuff I have installed
<rekado>civodul: I’ll package it
<civodul>rekado: oh, sure!
<civodul>super-premium support :-)
<buffet>oh another question, i need lua for a package, `guix show lua` gives me 3 versions, and just lua seems to default to 5.3 (ie the newest). how can i select a different version?
<rekado>our tex tooling really needs an overhaul
<rekado>buffet: guix install lua@5.1
<buffet>rekado, doesnt work for the inputs field inside a package definition
<buffet>sorry thats missing in my question
<pkill9>buffet: use the variable for that version instead, typically 'lua-5.1'
<buffet>pkill9, seems to work, thanks
<pkill9>typically 'package-version', in this case lua-5.1*
<rekado>civodul: texlive-marginnote now exists
<NieDzejkob>so, why is there a nix/libutil/.gitignore that ignores all *.cc and *.hh files? They are included in the repo...
<NieDzejkob>(this breaks my code search tool)
<anadon>Maybe they're autogenerated? That does sound strainge NieDzejkob.
<NieDzejkob>anadon: I don't think so, they're there in a fresh checkout of the repo
<NieDzejkob>they date back to 2012...
<efraim>hour 15 minutes for the test suite for python3 on powerpc
<g_bor[m]>hello guix!
<g_bor[m]>We had no time to relax our slot reqirement for guix in GSoC, but as of previous discussion we agreed that one should be essential.
<g_bor[m]>So we finally got one slot assigned, which is in alignment with what we wanted.
<g_bor[m]>Sorry for missing that update.
<civodul>rekado: awesome, thank you!
<jonsger>hm guile-fibers seems to be failing on master and core-updates for quite a while and its a dependency of cuirass
<civodul>hey jonsger
<civodul>jonsger: there are test failures when run on a machine with "too many" cores
<civodul>it can be worked around but it's annoying
<jonsger>what is too many?
<civodul>dunno, maybe > 8 ?
<jonsger>building it now on my server with 6 threads. Let se
<jonsger>civodul: succeeded
<jonsger>civodul: should I report a bug upstream or is this something wrong at Guix?
<civodul>jonsger: i think rekado (?) already reported it upstream but you could check
<civodul>upstream might even be reading this :-)
<jonsger>I dont think he filed a bug at upstream github repo
<mfg>hi guix
<mfg>i'm trying to use the texlive-latex-koma-script package, but it seems that kpathsea doesn't find it. When i read the apckage definitino corrrectly it also doesn't run anything special just copies the files into the store. How does kpathsea find latex files on guix?
<rekado>mfg: I don’t know if kpathsea will ever find it.
<rekado>what we do is run a profile hook that generates a TeX Live union and a configuration file + env vars
<rekado>I don’t know if kpathsea ever does the right thing with just that info
<rekado>but the latex, pdflatex, lualatex executables do find it.
<mfg>Hm okay, i will ignore it then
<rekado>it = installed packages
<mfg>thing is lualatex doesn't that's why i tried kpathsea
<rekado>note that the texlive-{latex,generic}-* packages are all old style and may actually be incomplete
<rekado>did you install texlive-bin?
<rekado>(fixing this is a lot of work and I got tired of it because the feedback one gets when working on texlive is generally discouraging)
<mfg>texlive-tiny, that should depend on texlive-bin
<rekado>texlive-tiny is really meant as an input to packages
<mfg>Oky, i thought it was more like a texlive-minimal :D
<rekado>the comment says “;; For use in package definitions only”
<rekado>the comment above texlive-base says “;; For user profiles”
<rekado>so maybe give that a try
<rekado>if that makes a difference we should do something about that and perhaps hide texlive-tiny from the UI
<rekado>or something
<rekado>(obviously users shouldn’t need to look up comments in the source code to figure out what to do)
<mfg>i didn't read near texlive-tiny :|
<rekado>it’s not your fault
<mfg>i will try texlive-base
<rekado>it’s our collective failure to address this problem, because it works well enough to build packages, and well enough for the use cases of those who care
<mfg>i see that might also be the reason why it doesn't get updates that often :D
<rekado>would be great if we could offer a paid internship to someone willing to work on this
<rekado>the reason for a lack of updates is also because texlive packages are inputs to so many other packages
<rekado>so updates generally would need to happen on core-updates
<mfg>that makes sense
<rekado>I need to go now; hope texlive-base fixes things for you. If it doesn’t please send a message to guix-devel or help-guix to kick off a discussion on how to improve this.
<mfg>using texlive-base works btw
<rekado>oh, nice!
<jonsger>how can I debug this further. I try to run a cuirass CI. But it fails with that Dont know where it wanna create a folder
<pkill9>i would like a claw-mail plugin that integrates the guix issues tracker
<pkill9>or in general, any email archive service
<janneke>hmm, i ran the guile webserver test on the Hurd "just for fun" and it passes...yay...
<janneke>so now i'm wondering...i'm pretty sure it fails when doing a native guile build
<janneke>and i'm also starting to suspect that there's a high probability it will pass when run in an aborted build
<janneke>i would have to verify that
<janneke>but that's all pretty i'm wondering if i could think of a some hack that would give me more than one shot at running that test
<civodul>janneke: perhaps it's timing-sensitive or something?
<rekado>bah, the link deletion stage is much too slow.
<rekado>it takes half a day already, and in the meantime more garbage has piled up than has been deleted in the hours before.
<civodul>rekado: half a day? i thought you measured 67mn or so?
<rekado>I started this after lunch; it’s 7pm now.
<civodul>you started gc or that phase?
<rekado>I started a targeted deletion then
<civodul>as in "guix gc -D ..."?
<rekado>yes, with just a few dozen disk images as the arguments
<civodul>and the list of images was already computed, right?
<rekado>it’s a tiny part of /gnu/big-stuff, the file that is generated by the cuirass roots cleanup cron job.
<civodul>ah yes
<emiller88>Hello all, just getting started in guile and following this tutorial
<emiller88>Anyone know where the libguile header is packaged?
<emiller88>guix environment --ad-hoc --container gcc-toolchain guile gnuplot make is what I'm using to make my env.
<rekado>a couple of hours ago it told me it had collected 33970 MiB. And since then I’m waiting for “deleting unused links”
<efraim>$GUIX_ENVIRONMENT/include ?
<civodul>emiller88: you need to use 'pkg-config guile-3.0 --cflags'
<rekado>when I started it we still had 4.x TB free space; now it’s 3.4T
<efraim>it also deletes other unused links which were previously marked for deletion
<efraim>so in theory you could stop it now and run 'guix gc -C 1' later and continue on after it calculates freeing 1 byte
<rekado>I aborted it and restarted it with the next chunk
<civodul>reminds me of terrible old stories, rekado: on hydra, Mark had a C program that would get the entries of /gnu/store/.links, which he would pipe to sort, and then "xargs rm" or sth
<rekado>I don’t want to become to what Mark was to hydra.
<civodul>(the store was much smaller there)
<civodul>yeah, don't do that :-)
<emiller88>civodul: so guix environment gcc-toolchain ... pkg-config guile-3.0 --cflags ?
<civodul>emiller88: the tutorial is outdated, but basically you'd need to use pkg-config in your makefile
<civodul>perhaps #guile is a better place for this discussion actually :-)
<civodul>rekado: we can do several things
<civodul>one is to estimate what it would cost us to disable deduplication on berlin
<civodul>we'd consume space more quickly, but GC's would be faster
<civodul>in addition to that, we can try to better estimate what's taking time, like the link-traversal.c thing that you ran
<civodul>see if there are ways to optimize this
<civodul>we could also think of a different implementation using a separate database
<mbakke>I wonder why Cuirass has seemingly stopped taking jobs from the original core-updates rebuild:
<Blackbeard>Hello :)
<nagamalli>I was asked to fix this issue
<nagamalli>when I tried to buld gnome-todo , build failed bacause of some builds already ongoing , including some as rekado said.
<nagamalli>Now My question is I need to update the version of glib I think , Where i need to change , inorder to fix that issue
<nagamalli>I thought I need to change in gnome.scm file of gnome-todo package,but i didn't understand where i need to change inorder to fix it
<nagamalli>can someone help me to move forward?
<nagamalli>and another doubt regarding patches ,
<nagamalli>If i write mulitple package descriptions. the fastest way to make patches is adding ONE description, building, apply lint, commit patch and go for next one . Am i correct? Please suggest
<thvk-ivgf>Hi Blackbeard.
<Blackbeard>thvk-ivgf: how are you
<nagamalli>I have a doubt. If i write mulitple package descriptions. the fastest way to make patches is adding ONE description, building, apply lint, commit patch and go for next one . Am i correct? Please suggest
<TZander>What is fastests depends on how good you are with git and with not getting lost with lots of things happening at the same time ;)
<TZander>your solution is good, though
<nagamalli>ok , I will .Thank you!
<nagamalli>i have etc/ but not etc/indent-code.el
<nagamalli>but running it is not working either. Please suggest about this?
<mroh>try `make etc/indent-code.el`
<nagamalli>I tried this emacs --script ./ ../gnu/packages/cran.scm , It worked for me
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<rekado>nagamalli: you should run bootstrap and configure first
<nly>which package includes the tools alsa_in and alsa_out?
<nly>found it, jack2
<ryanprior>What license do you use in packages for code that's Apache-2.0?
<ryanprior>Think I figured it out: asl2.0
<TZander>guix is a gnu program, it would be nice if it used gnu-like argument parsing. The tool is annoying...
<TZander>Why are these not legal? `guix package -l --profile=a` and `guix package --profile a -l` The only legal one is to put the profile first and to use an equals between it and the argument
<civodul>TZander: it's not about legality :-)
<civodul>the command-line parser differs from libc's argp
<civodul>but not all GNU tools use the same parser
<civodul>i agree it'd be nice to allow for "--profile a" in the example above
<nagamalli>I was asked to fix this issue
<nagamalli>when I tried to buld gnome-todo , build failed bacause of some builds already ongoing , including some as rekado said.
<nagamalli>Now My question is I need to update the version of glib I think , Where i need to change , inorder to fix that issue
<nagamalli>I thought I need to change in gnome.scm file of gnome-todo package,but i didn't understand where i need to change inorder to fix it
<nagamalli>I have tried all methods but not getting how to solve .please suggest
<raghavgururajan>Hello Guix!
<raghavgururajan>How do I rename "" to "", inside package definition?
<TZander>civodul: order is also very confusing. You can call `guix -d 10 -S 9' and no `guix -S 9 -d 10` (or vice versa) because the tool rejects deleting the current. Even though I told it to change in the same command.
<nagamalli>gnome-todo 3.28.1 fails to build with new glib2.0 >= 2.60.0
<nagamalli>and this is the issue i need to fix!
<nagamalli>where i need to make changes?
<raghavgururajan>I get "warning: autoconf input should be named '', not ''" and ending up with "./ ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory".
<raghavgururajan>nagamalli Could you share the failed build log?
<TZander>civodul: what I mean is: command-line-parser should not set the order in which that arguments are processed. Gives a bad UX. It should ALWAYS first switch, in this instance.
<civodul>TZander: could you frame it in terms of either a bug report or a proposal?
<TZander>I propose that someone that can actually code scheme starts caring about the user interface of the cli tool
<civodul>please, that's not the tone we'd like to see here
<civodul>that's why i was asking for a concrete proposal
<nagamalli>raghavgururajan:Actually As rekado said,not to update gnome todo..before i tried to update that and build was failed..
<nagamalli>When i applied build command for updation of package , It was stopped at this point ...... waiting for locks or build slots...
<nagamalli>I thought it was internet issues, when i try to apply again it's always stucking on there only.
<nagamalli>can anyone suggest why that was happening?
<nagamalli>substitute: /gnu/store/q19l04vd2za80mk1845pz7r8cz29qk43-bash-minimal-4.4.23/bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8)
<nagamalli>18.8 MB will be downloaded:
<civodul>i think processing options in order has value in some cases
<nagamalli> /gnu/store/3p24vc7v6cnd50a722kh910mnn3zlqsw-git-minimal-2.26.2
<nagamalli>waiting for locks or build slots..
<civodul>the one one you gave is such an example: the user wants to know whether switching generations happens before or after deleting
<civodul>so i'm not sure what the proposal is
<civodul>nagamalli: please don't paste many lines at once :-)
<nagamalli>I am sry,I won't repeat this again..!
<TZander>civodul: see bug 40549
<civodul>nagamalli: the "waiting for locks" messages means there's another "guix" command running and building the same thing
<raghavgururajan>nagamalli Please copy-paste the error using pastebin. Example,
<nagamalli>civodul ,Yeah I understood from rekado's reply earlier ,
<civodul>TZander: oh got it, thanks!
<TZander>nagamalli: try restarting your guixbuilder service.
<nagamalli>but what i need is to fix this issue
<nagamalli>where i need to make changes was my question!
<raghavgururajan>civodul Do you know how to rename "" to "" inside package definition?
<civodul>raghavgururajan: you could add a phase that does (rename-file "" "")
<raghavgururajan>civodul So, rename-file can be used in the place of "substitute*"?
<nagamalli>TZander, Is it the problem? I don't think it is ...THe problem is about to fix the glib version?
<TZander>nagamalli: how does your glib version have anything to do with your "waiting for locks or build slots.." error?
<nagamalli>and i tried multiple ways to solve , but not getting where i need to do?
<nagamalli>waiting for locks or build slots is for gnome-todo updation and as per the rekado's directions i stopped to update the gnome-todo
<raghavgururajan>civodul Never mind. That worked. Thanks!
<nagamalli>TZander: but i was asked to solve the issue of this
<nagamalli>by my mentor danny
<mroh>looks like
<nagamalli>mroh,Yes it was but as rekado said we can't update that
<nagamalli>I was comunicating with danny through mail and he was asked to just adding the patch from
<nagamalli>to the version we have should make it work.
<nagamalli>I am having doubt regarding this where i need to start to make the changes?
<guix-ci>Problem: Too many processes on hydra-guix-105 Problem started at 21:41:44 on 2020.04.23
<kmicu>Hy nagamalli, keep in mind I have limited context so that can be not helpful but linked patch is for evolution-data-services and I assume you should add it to
<TZander>civodul: I complained a bit more constructive in the bugreport. This command line interpreter baffles me.
<lispmacs[work]>is there some package that get's you all the stuff you normally get from gnu-build-system in a package definition
*kmicu has assumed evolution-data-services is a dependency for gnome-todo.
<raghavgururajan>What is the correct syntax for `(("$srcdir/configure --enable-maintainer-mode "$@" || exit 1") ""))`?
<nagamalli>kmicu,Yes I was aware of adding it to gnome.scm but the issue is about glib version i think?
<raghavgururajan>Looks like I am using quotations wrong.
*kmicu did not see much folks complaining about guix args parsing but that’s not the case for GNU tar and GNU find 😺
<TZander>kmicu: those tools can be understood. There is a logic to the cl-parsing.
<guix-ci>Resolved: Too many processes on hydra-guix-105 Problem has been resolved at 21:46:44 on 2020.04.23
<kmicu>nagamalli: dunno, personally, at I see only patch for evolution-data-services and that is patch to fix gnome-todo glib equal or above 2.60.0.
<civodul>thanks, TZander!
<noobly>hi #guix, I need a super lightweight pdf tool to concat two files, ideally something command line.. any recommendations? I searched for both pdfsam and poppler with no success
<raghavgururajan>I get syntax error (substitute* "" (("$srcdir/configure --enable-maintainer-mode "$@" || exit 1") "")). What is the correct way here?
<jonsger>noobly: we have poppler which should provide pdfunite
<nagamalli>kmicu, evolution-data-services ?? I Found evolution data server there in gnome.scm , is that are u telling about?
<noobly>jonsger: oops i spelt poppler wrong, thanks!
<ryanprior>me: im gonna try and package hugo, how many dependencies could it possibly have,
<ryanprior>the package: 78 dependencies. the number is seventy eight.
<TZander>how many are not yet packaged?
<kmicu>nagamalli: yes, of course, you are correct.
<ryanprior>and that's direct dependencies, go doesn't have a formal package system that can actually tell me how many transitive deps there are. so we're gonna call that a mid-term goal
<ryanprior>TZander that's a good research project for somebody who feels like spending 78 minutes to find out =D
<nagamalli>kmicu, So I need to update the evolution-data-server inorder to fix glib version problem
<TZander>ryanprior: this lists less than 78
<ryanprior>TZander that list is correct if you vendor all 78 dependencies
<TZander>it depends on nothing but glibc... (and a go compiler).
*civodul hadn't read help-guix since end of Feb, oops!
<ryanprior>and git, which fetches 78 go libraries which are required to build :)
<kmicu>nagamalli: that’s my understanding based on a rapid look 😺
<nagamalli_>kmicu: ok.Thank you for your suggestion.I will try that once
<kmicu>nagamalli_: wish you luck ( ^_^)/
<hugo>ryanprior: I'm not sure how I feel about being put into a package...
<ryanprior>hugo okay I take it back, you can package yourself when you're good and ready 👋️
<mfg>rekado: i'm back at the texlive thing. it seems to only work reliably when i install the whole distribution :\. So i will have to stick with that (at least for now).
<ryanprior>we badly need a `texlive:just-the-parts-i-need-for-the-love-of-god` package
<nagamalli_>kmicu:Thank you , How can i know the issue is fixed about glib after the updation of evolution-data-server?
<andrew>Are there any alternatives to using the official substitute server to get better download speeds?
<kmicu>nagamalli_: Maybe you could compile gnome-todo locally by using your local guix repository with the patch and test whether gnome-todo works for you.
<nagamalli_>I have tried to build the evolution-data server pkg,but getting erros of unbound variables of some packages like curl,static bash
<nagamalli_>after updating with new version of 3.36.1 of evolution-data server
<kmicu>nagamalli_: using a paste service and sharing those error messages here is a perfectly ok way to find out what’s wrong.
<nagamalli_>ok, I will share
<nagamalli_>here is the build msg
<mfg>ryanprior: that seems nice, but it also seems like lot of work :D
<andrew>20 KB/s seems somewhat slow when downloading lots of substitutes
<civodul>hi andrew
<kmicu>nagamalli_: 🤷 I don’t know whether it’s a locale issue or something else. Could you also build ‘hello’ package and share a log?
<civodul>andrew: is this the throughput you're getting from
<andrew>civodul: yep
<civodul>and you're consistently getting that throughput?
<civodul>or is it better sometimes? :-)
<andrew>civodul: although it seems to vary, about 25% of the downloads get around 15MB/s
<civodul>and the rest 20 KB/s?
<civodul>from which region?
*kmicu bets on the orbit, ISS.
<andrew>civodul: US, new mexico
<civodul>the machine seems to have a reasonable load right now
<rekado>mfg: do you have a test document that we could experiment with?
<Emilia>Hi everybody! I'm trying to install guix the manual way. In my system configuration I have (keyboard-layout (keyboard-layout "uk" "altgr-intl")) under (operating system). I get the following error on guix system init: "build of /gnu/store/ failed". It doesn't fail if I change "uk" to "us" or to "fi".
<bricewge>andrew: Does it occur with big and small substitutes?
<Emilia>The backtrace gives: /gnu/store/...-console-setup-1.194/bin/ckbcomp: Can not find "symbols/uk" in any known directory
<bricewge>Several people including connected trough the ISP Free are having similar speed issues since a week or so.
<Emilia>Any idea on how to solve this?
<mfg>rekado: i'm exporting org files to pdf with lualatex. I'm using the polyglossia package, so i have texlive-latex-polyglossia in my manifest, but lualatex doesn't find it. Ideally this document should compile: (Some packages cannot be found and i don't know in which package they are, if they are packaged e.g. amssymb, mathtools)
<mfg>So nothing too special i hope :D
<bricewge>andrew: Could you try “guix environment --ad-hoc mtr -- sudo mtr” to see if you have some packets loss?
<andrew>bricewge: Yes, it looks like the 25% that reported 15 MB/s were < 100 KB in size. Everything larger reported in the 20 - 40 KB/s range.
<mfg>rekado: also i'm not a texlive pro :p
<andrew>bricewge: So the smaller downloads probably didn't have enough data to report an accurate number.
<mfg>i'm out for today o/
<bricewge>andrew: Same here
<andrew>bricewge: Looks like I'm getting arround 30% packet loss from a jump from LA to Hamburg
<jonsger>would be interested if using Deutsche Telekom as ISP causing also troubles, because their peering with dfn (that network before ci) is bad
<andrew>jonsger: Yeah also seeing around 10% loss on a couple dfn hops
<katco>ideally, is it better to author a package based on an importer, or one which pulls from source directly? authoring one from an importer seems like it would remain more maintainable. does anyone have opinions?
<civodul>hi katco!
<katco>hello :)
<civodul>katco: normally importers produce something that pulls from the source too
<civodul>so that should be fine
<civodul>or did i misunderstand your question?
<bricewge>andrew: So it really seems like the same issue
<civodul>andrew: are you using traceroute?
<civodul>it would be great if we could get to the bottom of it
<katco>civodul: well, e.g.: i was just considering updating `emacs-slack`, and for fun i ran `guix import elpa -a melpa slack`. this fetches from unlike the current version which fetches from
<bricewge>I really don't know how to do about it tough...
<andrew>civodul: I was using mtr as bricewge suggested
<civodul>ah, mtr
<katco>i should say "this produces a package which fetches"
<civodul>katco: oh right, it's better not to take from because it's unstable IIRC (tarballs updated in place, etc.)
<civodul>so yeah, better to use github directly
<civodul>which also works with "guix refresh" anyway :-)
<katco>doh, i forgot about that.
<rekado>hmm, I don’t know why but file access seems to be really slow on
<katco>thank you!
<rekado>I’m running “guix install gcc-toolchain@7”, a package that has been built
<rekado>but it just sits there
<rekado>spinner doesn’t move
<rekado>in another screen I hit tab after pasting /gnu/store/qr5w1s1bg6c7pill74q0mhpwqbrr11aj-gcc-toolchain-7.4.0 and nothing happens
<civodul>rekado: ah yes, some time ago i was going to install iotop to investigate but that hasn't happened yet
<civodul>so maybe there really is something worth investigating :-)
<rekado>it just continued to tell me that the profile derivation will be built
<civodul>woow the load went up
<rekado>before that nothing happened
<rekado>cuirass and the mumi worker spike
*civodul stops cuirass
<civodul>mumi is quite active
*rekado restarted the mumi worker to make sure we’re running the latest version
<civodul>and eating more and more memory
<rekado>mbakke: what are you building on
<civodul>rekado: guix processes |recsel -e 'ClientCommand ~ "guix build"' -p ClientCommand :-)
<plstohelp>please, i can't seem to fix pulling
<plstohelp>ever since my guix vm crashed mid pull all i get is this
<rekado>mbakke: are you building *all* packages for armhf on
<plstohelp>guix pull: error: error parsing derivation `/gnu/store/6m9iiwb8xj9qgjvw4zb235srbj0m8nqd-compute-guix-derivation.drv': expected string `Derive(['
<rekado>plstohelp: this is disk corruption
<civodul>that's a lot of stuff but i think everything is offloaded
<plstohelp>i'd really rather not reinstall, does anyone know hoe to fix this?
<rekado>plstohelp: run fsck on your disk
<mbakke>rekado: indeed, I'm helping Cuirass along a bit
<plstohelp>its a vm, does that matter?
<rekado>mbakke: I think it shouldn’t be a problem anyway, just checking :)
<civodul>rekado, mbakke: ok to restart cuirass?
<rekado>plstohelp: the error says that the file is corrupt
<rekado>civodul: fine by me
<mbakke>civodul: sure
<civodul>let's go!
<plstohelp>how can i fsck a vm at runtime?
<andrew>plstohelp: could you boot the vm with a livecd and them fsck
<plstohelp>not a bad idea
<plstohelp>where should i report this issue? seems like it runs counter to the strengths of transaction package managment
<plstohelp>the fsck said it was cleean, lets see
<plstohelp>ayyy it worked
<plstohelp>rekado: thanks
<plstohelp>wait, another error
<plstohelp>guix pull: error: You found a bug: the program '/gnu/store/0pdpq2nv4493nw651rwz28v337gzgrb1-compute-guix-derivation'
<plstohelp>failed to compute the derivation for Guix (version: "0f25feb15917c48cd37ee9b5a2cfc40014b0c520"; system: "x86_64-linux";
<plstohelp>host version: "6e8f58fe31884e48ff771d0093fa6bbc77c40ed7"; pull-version: 1).
<plstohelp>Please report it by email to <>.
<plstohelp>i will report
<plstohelp>i tried to gc and pull again, ill see if it works this time