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<bluekeys>Hi guix, can i configure bash in config.scm. I want to enable vi keys

<kori>bluekeys:

<kori>isnt it just an option?

<FennecCode>I updated Guix using "guix pull", but emacs-guix isn't showing the updated package listings when I do commands like "guix-search-by-regexp"

<bluekeys>kori: Do you mean an option in config.scm? Maybe, I'm just not aware of it, or how to find it.

<alexande`>kori: why not .bashrc?

<bluekeys>i can set it in .bashrc, but thought it also might have a place in config.scm

<alexande`>Unless Bash has compilation choice to set it use vi binds, i dont think that guix can do beyond that...

<kori>alexande`: thats what i meant

<Minall>Hello guix!

<Minall>quiliro: Kiel vi fartas!

<excalamus>Hey,guix!

<excalamus>Guix, the home heating system

<excalamus>XD

<ItsMarlin>Hi guix

<excalamus>Hello!

<ItsMarlin>what have you been up to?

<excalamus>ItsMarlin: I'm trying to learn how to create packages in Guix. Rereading the manual and taking notes.

<excalamus>How about you?

<str1ngs>use .inputrc to set vi binds

<str1ngs>bash uses readline .inputrc is used for all readline programs

<nlyy>lol what? ice-9/eval.scm:293:34: no binding `gcc-toolchan-8' in module (gnu packages commencement)

<nlyy>nvm, it's my fault

<bluekeys>Hi guix

<bluekeys>What benefit do emacs-* packages give over those in melpa already?

<str1ngs>function package management

<str1ngs>functional*

<bluekeys>ok tx

<alexanderbarbosa>emacs has its functional package manager: straight.... :D

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<pkill9>why does the "name" variable passed to the builder code contain the version ?

<mbakke>ci.guix.gnu.org is nigh unreachable after switching off the CDN

<mbakke>I wonder if a Varnish cache in front of Cuirass would help at all?

<Nick934827>hey

<Nick934827>i am quite satisfied with Guix now and think about running it in production (replacing debian) but i need IDEA running, how do i do that?

<Nick934827>i tried installing it but it cant find anything (of course)

<nixo_>Nick934827: what is IDEA?

<Nick934827>jetbrains.com/idea/

<nixo_>oh I see. But I can't help sorry

<Nick934827>who can?

<efraim>I see they have a snap but we don't support that. If they have a flatpack that could work

<pkill9>they provide a tar.gz, which assuming it's a precompiled portable bundle means you can make a package definition that patches it to use guix libraries

<Nick934827>do Java things work at all on Guix?

<pkill9>yes

<Nick934827>yeah the tgz is containing everything

<Nick934827>there own java included

<pkill9>also it may work with my filesystem hierarchy standard service, though that means relying on me, so you may not want to do that, lol

<pkill9>i'm gonna test it now

<pkill9>just downloading it

<Nick934827>what is this service doing exactly?

<Nick934827>and why does it rely on you?

<pkill9>it lets you run application bundles

<pkill9>that you download from a wesite

<pkill9>website*

<pkill9>it relies on me because it's in my channel and i maintain it for myself

<pkill9>but i posted a patch for it to the dev mailing list but no one repsonded

<pkill9>it's in this module in my channel https://gitlab.com/pkill-9/guix-packages-free/blob/master/pkill9/services/fhs.scm

<Nick934827>i could mirror it

<PotentialUser-11>is intel's iwlwifi driver supported by guix/linux-libre?

<pkill9>sadly no PotentialUser-11

<PotentialUser-11>isn't that driver open source though?

<pkill9>i think it's because the firmware is closed

<pkill9>but yea the driver is free software

<PotentialUser-11>firmware is not included in the distro though

<Nick934827>nonfree firmware is not included

<PotentialUser-11>distros come with firmware?

<Nick934827>of course

<PotentialUser-11>i thought firmware is built into hardware

<Nick934827>how else would the monitor work

<PotentialUser-11>why does a distro need to include it?

<pkill9>firmware is delivered tot he hardware by the kernel so it can be updated

<pkill9>but the firmware is closed source typically

<PotentialUser-11>i thought the distro only supplied the drivers

<pkill9>as in, so the firmware can be updated

<PotentialUser-11>but firmware is baked into hardware

<PotentialUser-11>like in flash chips

<pkill9>oh yea, not all hardware has firmware delivered to it by the kernel

<pkill9>depends what the manufacturer decides i guess

<PotentialUser-11>hmm i see

<Nick934827>any news on IDEA on guix

<PotentialUser-11>and wifi adapters have their firmware delivered?

<PotentialUser-11>stack overflow seems to say yes

<PotentialUser-11>thanks for the info all

<Nick934827>how do i package idea, it would be nice

<pkill9>Nick934827: i just tested it with my fhs service and it works, just add my channel, or a copy of it, to your guix channels, and then add it to your services like in my config as an example: https://gitlab.com/pkill-9/guix-config/blob/master/desktop.scm#L193

<Nick934827>cool, thanks,

<Nick934827>but i would like to help packaging the official IDEA for guix

<pkill9>that would be great! i just suggested this service as a temporary solution so you can atleast use it

<pkill9>gotta go

<Nick934827>ok bye

<Nick934827>is it possible to generate the idea from nix?

<Nick934827>the package definition i mean

<vup>there is a nix importer

<vup>guix import nix

<vup>however i have never used it

<vup>Nick934827: ^

<Nick934827>how do i do a package that does not build from source

<Nick934827>has noone ever used android studio on guix and build a package for it?

<Nick934827>how do i create a package for IDEA if a nix package exists or a binary bundle exists

<Nick934827>...

<Nick934827>i cant move forward

<Nick934827>sooo... guix import nix doesnt work

<Nick934827>great

<Nick934827>i still dont know how to build packages because its poorly explained

<Nick934827>great x2

<vup>Nick934827: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html

<Nick934827>it doesnt exactly explain how to pull it of

<vup>how to pull what of?

<Nick934827>i am reading this since one hour and just know how to get simple C programs to work

<Nick934827>how to create an package for IDEA

<vup>well guix doesn't really have good support for binary, nonfree packages

<vup>so you won't really find any official documentation on that

<vup>but you could for instance take a look at this repository https://gitlab.com/guix-gaming-channels/games

<Nick934827>> so you won't really find any official documentation on that

<Nick934827>for open source sofware?

<Nick934827>are you kidding

<Nick934827>?

<Nick934827> https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/archive/idea/191.8026.42.tar.gz

<Nick934827>^ the source

<vup>ok, you're talking about the community edition

<vup>so looking at the repository it's compiled with ant

<Nick934827>what is ant?

<vup> https://ant.apache.org/

<vup>its a build system for java

<Nick934827>ah ok

<Nick934827>and how do i use that in guix?

<vup>so you'll want to start out with something like here https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html

<vup>and replace gnu-build-system with ant-build-system

<Nick934827>yeah

<Nick934827>wait a sec

<vup>well actually it seems like you need idea to build idea

<vup>that will be reall

<vup>really hard to get done in guix

<Nick934827>so i did this now

<Nick934827> https://pad.riseup.net/p/guix-idea

<Nick934827>i am downloading the file and generate the hash

<Nick934827>what should i do with this ? (inputs `(("gawk" ,gawk)))

<Nick934827>should i replace it with (inputs `(("openjdk" ,openjdk)))

<vup>ant-build-system will automatically pull in icedtea

<vup>so just remove it?

<Nick934827>vup how did you know it uses ant btw?

<vup>reading

<vup> https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

<vup>(the readme)

<Nick934827>oh, at the bottom

<Nick934827>havnt seen that line

<Nick5532245>back

<Nick5532245>so, how do i build from this file?

<Nick5532245>i get this

<Nick5532245>hint: Did you forget `(use-modules (guix packages))'?

<Nick5532245>but its already in the file

<Nick5532245>vup, still there?

<Nick5532245> https://pad.riseup.net/p/guix-idea

<vup>easiest way is probably to add `idea` as the last line of the file and then `guix build -f file.scm`

<vup>also there is a `)` missing in line 6

<Nick5532245>guix build: error: idea`: not something we can build

<Nick5532245>vup^

<vup>leave out the `'s

<Nick5532245>OMG it tries to buil

<Nick5532245>d

<nckx>rekado: That is good firewall news. I've sent you the deets and a question.

<excalamus>Hi, guix!

<nckx>o/

<Nick5532245>HEy

<Nick5532245>everytime i download a source from github its different

<Nick5532245>the hash i mean

<Nick5532245>am i doing something wrong?

<Nick5532245>is there somewhere a service where i can host the source tar.gz and its hash stays the same?

<rekado>Nick5532245: use git-fetch instead.

<rekado>mbakke: the problem is not with networking or server power; it’s with fibers (or how Cuirass uses them)

<rekado>we should separate the web interface from the rest.

<rekado>next week I’m trying to get IT to configure a 10G port on the core switches for that machine.

<Nick5532245>rekado how do i use git-fetch in a guix package?

<mbakke>rekado: so the Cuirass web interface being 100% unavailable since turning off the CI is coincidental?

<mbakke>*turning off the CDN

<mbakke>rekado: cuirass.log prints "file descriptors: 1024" continuously

<Nick5532245> and how do i hash it?

<mbakke>Nick5532245: `guix hash -rx /the/source/directory`

<mbakke>after checking out the tag you want

<Nick5532245>ok, and how do i get that into a package.scm?

<Nick5532245>is somewhere an example?

<Nick5532245>nvm found it in the artwork pack

<Nick5532245>GNOME thinks my timezone is in london but i specified berlin in the config.scm

<Nick5532245>is this a known bug?

<Marlin[m]>Hi guix, does anybody here use chroot to run binaries and appimages? If so, can i get some help?

<rekado>Nick5532245: yes.

<rekado>mbakke: yes, that fd error is the symptom.

<rekado>mbakke: previously you’d hit the cache more often, but the problem is with Cuirass. We should fix that instead of covering up the problem with an extra layer of caching.

<rekado>I’m sure we don’t have >1024 simultanous connections to be served.

<buhman>I'm having trouble understanding this error, in a channel/package I am working on: https://0x0.st/zObm.txt ; I am able to build that package with `guix build -f`, however.

<rekado>buhman: if that package is free software, can you please share the definition with us?

<pkill9>Marlin[m]: i think the way binaries/appimages are typically run on guix is patching the interpreter path and running htem with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set

<pkill9>them*

<pkill9>but there is another way to run them without patching them at all, using my fhs compatibility service: https://gitlab.com/pkill-9/guix-packages-free/blob/master/pkill9/services/fhs.scm

<buhman>rekado: https://github.com/buhman/guix-packages/blob/master/buhman/packages/linux-stable.scm

<buhman>is it possible to get a useful backtrace or pointer to where the offending #f came from?

<Marlin[m]>wow, i'll take a look at it, pkill9

<Marlin[m]>is there any way to make packages from arch pkgbuilds?

<buhman>huh, I just found https://github.com/mbakke/guix-nonfree/blob/master/nonfree/packages/linux.scm#L42

<nckx>Marlin[m]: They're usually pretty straightforward to rewrite in Scheme if you know a bit of both!

<rekado>ugh, I upgraded my system on a workstation and *again* i can’t start gnome-shell :-/

<nckx>buhman: Please don't post links to non-free software in Guix channels.

<buhman>oh, sorry about that

<rekado>Deleted .local/share, /var/lib/gdm, — didn’t help. Had to move .cache away: worked.

<rekado>gdm + gnome-shell on Guix is not fun.

<rekado>(don’t know if they are fun elsewhere)

<nckx>I thought GDM was the default DM on Guix now?

<rekado>yes

<rekado>perhaps that’s not a good idea

<nckx>Oh.

<rekado>it seems to work fine as long as you don’t change anything.

<rekado>after upgrades it regularly fails in non-obvious ways

<rekado>no good error messages either.

<rekado>just segfault

*rekado writes to guix-devel

<Marlin[m]>buhman hey man, we who have personal nonfree channels are not proud of it, okay? :'(

<Marlin[m]>true

<Marlin[m]>Gdm always gave me a loop

<Marlin[m]>it tried to start and crashed for about 300 times

<Marlin[m]>No such issue with slim

<nckx>buhman: An honest mistake is fine 🙂

<buhman>sorry, was just trying to learn about writing packages; not trying to upset anyone :)

<excalamus>ttfn my fellow guix!

<rekado>Marlin[m]: the loop can probably be broken by deleting /var/lib/gdm

<rekado>it’s terrible.

<pkill9>i think i had that loop problem as well

<pkill9>i use SDDM

<pkill9>(now i use SDDM, the loop problem was with GDM not SDDM)

<pkill9>(i think)

*nckx doesn't understand why this only seems to affect Guix so badly.

<nckx>Anyone grepped these binary cache files for store names, perchance?

<rekado>didn’t find anything there. Might be compressed or something.

<nckx>Yeah, it was a pretty obvious suggestion 🙂

<nckx>Can't connect to my server at home ('the one with all the files') for the next week because starting ssh-daemon was too much trouble.

<nckx>Fun with Guix.

<mbakke>nckx: I heard another report of ssh-daemon failing to start, do you know any other details?

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