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<reepca>guix environment -C python2-flake8 -- python -c 'import configparser' succeeds, but for some reason in the build environment it fails. So strange.
<joshuaBPMan>I'm really confused now. if I log into tty1, and startx. Then switch to tty2 to start weston for giggles. Then switching back to tty1, and now my x session has gone...?
<joshuaBPMan>But I found it again. It's on tty7. Why?
<EternalZenith>That's the default tty for x sessions on a lot of distros
<EternalZenith>How did you get startx working in the first place?
<EternalZenith>I couldn't get it to work a few months ago
<joshuaBPMan>EternalZenith: slim. auto login.
<joshuaBPMan>Right now, I'm trying to play with weston, 'cause reasons. And I can't get it to change the default layout to dvorak. weird.
<joshuaBPMan>I have a file at ~/config/weston.ini, but it's not seeming to read my values for that.
<EternalZenith>The manual says that you should use sddm rather than slim if you want to use wayland, although I'm not sure of the reasons for that
<EternalZenith>Although it may be outdated, as it says that gnome is the only wayland compositor available on guix right now
<joshuaBPMan>EternalZenith: True. Right now I'm just launching weston via "weston". Once I get that working, then I'll try to get sddm or gdm working
<joshuaBPMan>nice! I got it working!
<joshuaBPMan>and I was reading the log earlier, apparently I have openGL ES 3! That's pretty awesome for a 10 year old macbook!
<EternalZenith>Does it have dedicated graphics?
<joshuaBPMan>I'm not sure what that is or how to find out.
<joshuaBPMan>It's an old nvidia card. powered by nouveau, so it's slow, but it works.
<joshuaBPMan>all w/ free software.
<EternalZenith>My laptop has the oldest generation of graphics that's supported by the new amdgpu driver
<EternalZenith>It isn't enabled by default, but works quite well
<joshuaBPMan>EternalZenith: yeah, if only AMD provided the firmware, they'd be super stellar!
<reepca>my desktop has the oldest generation of amd graphics to require proprietary microcode :(
<EternalZenith>I'm dissapointed that Dell switched to Nvidia for all of their newest Precision laptops
<joshuaBPMan>reepca: does newer AMD graphics have free and open microcode?
<reepca>joshuaBPMan: nope. Mine was barely too new.
<EternalZenith>I'm not sure if they require nonfree microcode, but I know the drivers themself are completely free
<reepca>well, I've got a radeon hd 7870 that doesn't work with linux-libre, a radeon hd 6670 that doesn't work, and the integrated graphics on my a10-7850k that don't work. Unless something changed recently, I'd expect the newer stuff also doesn't work.
<reepca>if I recall correctly several of the entries on were wrong
<EternalZenith>That's disappointing
<EternalZenith>Although, I think all of those might be pre-GCN and are stuck on the radeon driver, so it might be different now
<EternalZenith>Nvm, the 7870 is GCN, although you would need a kernel command line argument to enable amdgpu support
<reepca>the a10-7850k's gpu is also GCN
<EternalZenith>Looks like they all require nonfree firmware, judging from the debian package
<EternalZenith>emacs-guix has constantly been failing to load certain package modules from my local git checkout
<joshuaBPMan>anybody know where guix stores the tiny logo of icecat?
<EternalZenith>The desktop icon?
<joshuaBPMan>I'm trying to find that icon, so that I can have a firefox icon in the launcher for weston
<EternalZenith>That should be part of the theme
<EternalZenith>But the icons it comes with are in ./lib/browser/chrome/icons/default/ directory
<EternalZenith>That's from within your current guix profile (e.g. ~/.guix-profile)
<joshuaBPMan>I'm not seeing that.
<joshuaBPMan>pwd -> ~/.guix-profile/lib/
<joshuaBPMan>ls browser -> ""
<EternalZenith>Whoops, left out part
<joshuaBPMan>there's also ~/.guix-profile/share/icons/hicolor/apps/icecat.png
<EternalZenith>Yeah, whatever icon theme you are using might have its own icecat icons
<EternalZenith>Are you kidding me... I've spent days trying to figure out how to fix the "No Sim" issue on my phone that keeps appearing, and I just finished backing everything up so I can wipe and reflash everything
<EternalZenith>And it spontaneously starts working again
<EternalZenith>I suppose I should be happy?
<joshuaBPMan>I'm having a weird issue with my mouse too. It randomly works, and then doesn't.
<joshuaBPMan>weird question, does anyone know an open source alternative to good reads?
<vagrantc>joshuaBPMan: usb mouse?
<vagrantc>i had to configure tlp to not disable usb suspend, or the mouse would periodically be briefly unresponsive
<joshuaBPMan>vagrantc: nope. Trackpad.
<joshuaBPMan>this really helped: (kernel-arguments '("modprobe.blacklist=usbkbd"))
<joshuaBPMan>But sometimes it still gets weird and only allows me to move my mouse up and down.
*vagrantc wonders what bus the trackpad is on
<joshuaBPMan>If I don't blacklist that, then I ALWAYS have a trackpad that only moves up and down
<joshuaBPMan>I'm not sure how to find that out.
<EternalZenith>I assume you're using libinput?
<EternalZenith>I've been meaning for a while to switch from i3 to something else
<EternalZenith>I want to give exwm another try, and possibly stumpwm
<leungbk>i ran `guix environment guix`, `/.bootstrap`, `./configure --localstatedir=/var`, but `make check` seems to fail on one test: ``, where i wind up downloading stuff from a bad link.
<leungbk>would anyone be free to help me debug this?
<leungbk>i'm having trouble with this test run during `make check`: `+ guix download http://does.not/exist` gives me a non-empty download, but all the tests from the other files are fine
<leungbk>would anyone be able to help ?
<mange>What happens when you try to download http://does.not/exist with another program? Like curl or wget?
<leungbk>they both give me a non-empty result, so i suppose i can ignore this failing test? thanks for the suggestion
<mange>I assume that's a problem with your environment. I get "wget: unable to resolve host address 'does.not’", which is what I would expect.
<apteryx>how can I move /var/guix/profiles/per-user/maxim/current-guix-6-link to another machine?
<apteryx>guix package doesn't seem to work
<apteryx>*guix pack*
<apteryx>trying with git archive
<rekado>apteryx: use “guix archive” to recursively export whatever that link points at.
<rekado>on the other side use “guix archive --import”
*rekado reconfigures to use GNOME 3.30
<apteryx>retrying with guix copy, as I couldn't see any output for a long time using guix archive
<apteryx>now at least I know it has to send 25 store items (126 MiB).
<apteryx>sadly, guile-ssh doesn't seem compatible with my gpg-agent serving as an ssh-agent
<rekado>for guix-copy you need public key authentication.
<rekado>the agent shouldn’t matter
<apteryx>i'm in the middle of an install and got bit by the bug info-dir ERROR: no code for module (guix build utils)
<apteryx>it's nice to have SSH live with just 'herd start ssh-daemon' :-)
<apteryx>and guix copy to the rescue
<apteryx>nope, it fails with gpg-agent as SSH agent (configure correctly as per Gnupg's manual): guix copy --to=root@ `readlink -f /var/guix/profiles/per-user/maxim/current-guix-6-link`
<apteryx>guix copy: error: SSH authentication failed for '': Failed to read private key: /home/maxim/.ssh/id_rsa
<apteryx>I should open an issue about it
<apteryx>when I stop my gpg-agent and do "eval $(ssh-agent) && ssh-add", I can manage to get guix copy towork
<apteryx>earlier I had done ssh-add with my gpg-agent, and that work, but guix copy failed with the earlier message
<apteryx>does guix pull work in the live usb GuixSD?
<apteryx>I just tried it, but 'guix pull --list-generations' listed only the last one
<rekado>you can give it another profile with “-p’
<apteryx>OK, good to know, thanks
<efraim>diffutils-3.7 needs perl for one of the tests
<civodul>Hello Guix!
<roptat>hi guix!
<civodul>hey roptat & efraim!
<efraim>groff-minimal@1.22.4 wants texinfo
<civodul>oh, pity
<efraim>i had to add perl for a test for diffutils@3.7 also
<efraim>might need to work around texinfo in groff-minimal, i'm sure it'll pull in perl which we were avoiding
<civodul>does the tarball include a .info file?
<efraim>haven't checked yet
<efraim>looks like it wants makeinfo for the docs, trying to work around it
<efraim>'--with-doc=no' worked
<civodul>efraim: or rather try to see if it's a timestamp issue
<civodul>like perhaps all you need is to update the mtime on the .info file so that it's not rebuilt
<efraim>we already redirected the docs to /tmp/trash/docs during the build before, they made texinfo a hard depenency for the docs since 1.22.2
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<roptat>can I send world-changing patches to core-updates?
<roptat>I'd like to update file
<apteryx>a progress bar on guix copy would be nice
<efraim>roptat: yeah, core-updates is currently in free-for-all mode
<civodul>roptat: definitely!
<civodul>apteryx: i agree
<apteryx>:-) I'm copying my whole profile of 6G and wondering should I go bed or is it finishing soon ;-)
<apteryx>df -h on the receiving end suggests the bed might be a good idea
<apteryx>has anyone tried the docker patches yet?
<civodul>apteryx: it might be faster to run: "guix copy --to=host $(guix gc --derivers $(readlink -f ~/.guix-profile) | head -1)"
<civodul>and then rebuild the profile on the remote end
<civodul>although... that's a bit ridiculous
<apteryx>eh, that would just save some CPU instead of copying the hard data?
<apteryx>(my understanding is that derivers are computed ricipes that are to be executed to be turned into packages)
<civodul>right, that'd copy the recipe (derivation) which you would then be able to build
<civodul>in practice that may be faster because substitutes and all
<civodul>and substitutes are faster than ssh...
<apteryx>I'll try it next time :-)
<apteryx>maybe it's just late, but: sudo -E guix system reconfigure ./config.scm --> gives me: guix system: error: failed to load './config.scm': No such file or directory
<apteryx>there is a config.scm file in my CWD
<rekado>apteryx: does it try to load or include other files? The error might be misleading.
<apteryx>rekado: that's it
<apteryx>I moved the directory, and there was an (include ...) in there with a hardcoded path
<apteryx>thanks for saving my sanity ;-)
<g_bor>hello guix!
<civodul>hey g_bor!
<civodul>hi rekado! :-)
<civodul>hmm, is unreachable over IPv6
<rekado>civodul: I got a mail delivery failure report for email sent to you.
<rekado>fencepost couldn’t relay it.
<civodul>could you show me the details somehow?
*civodul sends patches to drop Guile 2.0 support
*jonsger ^ is happy that openSUSE Tumbleweed is Guile 2.2 now :)
<g_bor>rekado: you wrote that you would like to switch to a guix pull based deployment.
<g_bor>I have a question regarding that.
<g_bor>Is it possible to do something like guix pull-from-another-machine?
<g_bor>this way we could fetch the latest form the given node, and we just had to modify a few configs, the time consuming steps would go away?
<g_bor>Is that correct?
<g_bor>or should I set up a substitute server providing guix, and authorize that?
<rekado>g_bor: for berlin I’m using a script in maintenance.git
<rekado>the script is run on the head node, which offloads builds to build nodes
<g_bor>rekado: ok, I will have a look at that.
<rekado>the script causes the operating system configurations for all build nodes to be instantiated first
<rekado>then it uses ‘guix copy’ to copy the systems to their targets
<rekado>then it reconfigures the target nodes.
<rekado>so none of the build nodes have to build anything more than once.
<rekado>together they build all of the systems
<rekado>the script is here:
<g_bor>rekado: yes, fine, I was thinking along similar lines.
<g_bor>rekado: we were thinking about having something like this for multi-node deployments at last FOSDEM.
<g_bor>Maybe we could think about builidng a framework on top of that.
<rekado>isn’t there a branch (”wip-deploy“?) for that kind of thing?
<g_bor>I think there was something, but have not seen active work for some time.
<g_bor>It would be nice if we could define confgiuration equivalences, so that we could specify policies like:
<g_bor>have 10 nodes running cassandra, and 4 nodes running nginx, two active and two backup, these should be deployed on distint physical nodes...
<g_bor>so something like that
<g_bor>and maybe generate the config from a pool information file and a list of configuration templates
<rekado>you would need a mapping of hosts to configuration objects
<rekado>for berlin we have a procedure ‘berlin-build-machine-os’ that returns a configuration object for a node identifier.
<g_bor>rekado, yes, that is what we also managed to come up with.
<g_bor>I was also thinking about a point Elco mentioned, is that getting a service up is idempotent, or should it be?
<g_bor>If we treat two nodes equivalent in this setting we could get a service instance, and getting another might mean to get one on another node.
<g_bor>So this opens up a bunch of yet undiscovered modes of operation.
<g_bor>Last year we stopped, as we got tho the conclusion that we need a set of useful abstractions, and discovered that direction instead.
<g_bor>hi lsl88!
<civodul>uh, there's ocaml in the closure of (gnu packages base)
<civodul>via maths.scm and emacs.scm
<jlicht>hey guix!
<civodul>rekado: i'd like to move R packages from web.scm to cran.scm or r-web.scm, WDYT?
<efraim>i think we should move hunspell to aspell.scm
<efraim>or hunspell and aspell to dictionaries.scm
<rekado>civodul: sure, sounds good.
<rekado>cran is going to become very large.
<rekado>but on the other hand it’s convenient to have them all in the same module.
<civodul>rekado: in cran.scm or web.scm?
<civodul>the latter is problematic
<rekado>(I’m currently adding more packages to cran.scm)
<rekado>I’d like to have them all in cran.scm, actually.
<civodul>ok, we can do that
<civodul>eventually that'll be a problem too, but a different one :-)
<rekado>I imported all of bioconductor a few days ago and have started to add all the missing CRAN dependencies to cran.scm.
<rekado>the imported file is 50+k lines long.
<rekado>well, that’s confusing. ‘50k+’, not 50 lines plus some constant ;)
<rekado>civodul: do you want me to move the R packages from web.scm?
<civodul>rekado: yes, that'd be great
<civodul>i was looking at the closure of (gnu packages base) and that's what got me worried
<efraim>rekado: mantis has inline assembly and an option to disable SSE4.2
<civodul>rekado: there was ocaml in there, which is almost gone except it's still pulled in via cran.scm via web.scm
<rekado>ah, I see.
<rekado>I’ll prepare the patch in the next few minutes
<civodul>i'd love to have good graph clustering & visualization tools
<civodul>there's developed next door but i'm afraid it's going to be too annoying to package
<civodul>and i'm not entirely sure how much it'd help
<efraim>i'd like to tag it x86_64 only, 32-bit fails with __uint128_t undefined, aarch64 is missing appropriate assembly
<civodul>oops "error: package-elisp-from-package: unbound variable"
<rekado>efraim: oh, sorry. Please tag it x86_64 only.
<civodul>what's that package-elisp-from-package thing?
<efraim>rekado: taken care of :)
<civodul>i saw the error above in cuirass' log but i can't find the procedure anywhere
<efraim>civodul: its from the elisp clang pacakge
<efraim>in emacs.scm iirc
<civodul>oh it was pushed seconds ago apparently
<civodul>rekado: the profile hook message are really awesome
<civodul>seeing them always makes me happy :-)
<rekado>civodul: the move from web.scm to cran.scm is complete.
<rekado>I checked the copyright lines and removed modules from web.scm that are no longer needed.
<rekado>also built the modules to ensure that there are no missing references.
<civodul>rekado: awesome, thank you!
*civodul fixes the package-elisp-from-package thing
<rekado>civodul: that commit has already been reverted.
<rekado>it was added with 5bc2e14add6433adbade3ccdf28c60e57334c20a and removed again in 3a3d4d9d545028cda846ae827a60249f7162d34e
<rekado>11 mins ago
<civodul>and i just pushed a "fix"
<jlicht>It seems that sources retrieved using `git-fetch' have permissions set to 444, is this always correct? What if I want to have some files be writable to pass the tests instead?
<civodul>too little synchronization
<civodul>jlicht: you typically need to call make-file-writable
<civodul>rekado: there's also r-feather in serialization.scm
<jlicht>civodul: would you call this in a new phase after 'unpacking', or rather in a snippet?
<civodul>in a new phase
<civodul>i think we've done it a few times
<rekado>civodul: I’ll move more R packages in a moment.
<rekado>we have R packages in these modules: image databases cran machine-learning graph bioconductor statistics geo maths bioinformatics
<rekado>civodul: do you want me to move them away from every module that’s not cran, bioconductor, or statistics?
<civodul>rekado: maybe, though machine-learning for instance is probably less critical
<civodul>ideally "guix graph -t module coreutils | grep ' cran'" would print nothing
<rekado>okay, I’ll get to work on this now
<rekado>civodul: done! No more R things in the coreutils module graph.
<rekado>but it’s still very large.
<civodul>rekado: cool, thank you!
<wingo>good day guix
<bavier>hi wingo
<_tibbe>Hi, can anyone tell me how he configured pgp smart card access with pcscd? I cannot get gpg to read keys from my nitro key.
<pkill9>is thee
<pkill9>is there somehting in emacs and/or emacs extensions that helps with writing package definitions? e.g. generating boilerplate like use-modules?
<bavier>pkill9: rekado has contributed some yasnippet templates in etc/snippets
<pkill9>ah, thanks
<tune>anyone here play minetest? where do I put mods on guix?
<tune>It seems in the past I put them in ~/.minetest/mods but I don't see them as selectable in the game
<tune>and there's also ~/.guix-profile/share/minetest but I don't know if this is the right spot either
<tune>>In order to get the mod running, you have to unpack it in one of the folders where Minetest looks for mods.
<tune>okay, I still had them as zips. I guess I gotta extract them and possibly rename them.
<tune>alright yep that worked. ~/.minetest/mods is fine
<bavier>tune: I was wondering recently if it would make sense to provide some minetest mods as guix packages
<tune>That could be interesting. I think the Arch User Repository has -git versions of several mods.
<davexunit>+1 to that
<davexunit>as long as minetest has an env var that can be set for the mod search path
<davexunit>I had to get a patch merged upstream in order to get minetest to work at all in guix
<davexunit>that was load path related.
<pkill9>oh yeah that would be good bavier, unless they change frequently
<bavier>pkill9: yeah, I guess we'd have to see how that goes
<davexunit>last I looked at minetest mods it was hard to tell which ones were well supported and worked well
<davexunit>so having a few of the popular/good ones curated in guix would be helpful
<pkill9>woo i just got a graft to work
<noobly>last time I installed guix I made a shell script and shebanged it with #/bin/bash as per usual, but in guixsd that's not how it's done. this freaked me out so I left, but I'd like to return. is there any summary or cheat sheet of these kind fo differences in guixsd?
<rain1>#!/usr/bin/env bash might work
<civodul>noobly: #!/bin/sh is guaranteed to work, and /bin/sh is actually Bash
<civodul>you can also configure your system to have /usr/bin/env or /bin/bash or whatever
*janneke is a champion for /bin/guile ;-)
<civodul>heh :-)
<noobly>civodul: how weird, I distinctly remember some funny business with a script I was using, I thought it involved the shebang but I guess not.
<noobly>any python developers here? do you need to use virtualenv or venv, or do you just roll up your own environments?
<noobly>developers is a strong word, should've said users
<civodul>noobly: i don't do Python, but hopefully 'guix environment' is a good substitute for virtualenv :-)
<thomassgn>also, direnv! such a wonderful tool
<civodul>i hear there's even direnv/guix/emacs integration floating around
<thomassgn>civodul: yeah! I actually set this up recently. There's a slight delay whenever moving between buffers in different direnvs. But I usually keep one emacs instance per "project" - to minimize things like this.
<civodul>i haven't tried it yet but i know cbaines has done great things :-)
<rekado>so there’s yet another container system:
<civodul>rekado: awesome, we need more of them!