<ng0>depending on the content the domains could violate tucows or the TLDs policy
<lfam>pkill9: w3m had a huge number of bugs fixed by the current maintainer, who works within the Debian umbrella. The bugs were typical for older C code. Probably there are more bugs. I don't know how closely anyone is looking at those older niche browsers.
<lfam>Unfortunately, the "canonical" w3m organization on SourceForge is defunct. w3m is maintained within various distros. I picked Debian's since it seemed to be the most actively maintained and they have a process for removing unmaintained packages
<lfam>At the time we switched to Debian's w3m source (commit 674a0f955809d40c2fe3e5092b2927c4c96e8351, November 2016), there were some relevant w3m patches languishing on an OpenBSD mailing list. I don't think they were ever applied by any distros
<lfam>I like these simple browsers but I can't recommend them from a security perspective. Nothing is perfect, of course
<lfam>No, I haven't read about qutebrowser. Bugs are everywhere but I feel more comfortable using the browsers that have big teams with some resources behind them. They are really pushing the state of art of bug-finding and fixing
<RetardedOnion>i feel like with what mozilla did and google does all the time that the "big browsers" arent worth my time or my data. icecat might be slightly better.
<OriansJ>RetardedOnion: Well depends on if you mean Free as in Gratis or Libre and if it is the second case, the answer is a great many things are because many good people put alot of hard work because they felt a Moral duty to do so.
<RetardedOnion>i mean libre. gratis can be stretched a lot. id argue google isnt gratis. #
<OriansJ>RetardedOnion: turn on no-script, umatrix and set a few rules; The issues with bad pages disappear. Although you have no right to demand other people customize their sites to suit your preferences. No some people share your preferences about being inclusive to their sharing of information but please understand we all get to choose for ourselves, that is the cost of freedom.
<RetardedOnion>that doesnt make google libre or the device you are using it on. preferences should be preferences. colors should be choosable just like in qt/gtk. i dont want websites to change for me. i want a standard with which everyone is ok.
<daviid>lfam: i don't think epiphny itself tracks, but i don't think it's very good at protecting either ... i also use firefox, noscript, umatrix, ublock origin ... then i can't see any site :)
<mbakke>daviid: Why do you use NoScript and uBlock when you have uMatrix?
<OriansJ>palettes on websites because they have visual difficulties. Some even use Braille Terminals
<mbakke>For the record, the Guix Chromium patch floating about the interwebs have most of the "botnet" features compiled-out. There's still some data sent to the Big G though...
<RetardedOnion>i dont have one problem with qt/gtk theming. so it does work. also: the www is crap. i hope it gets burned in the near future. i doubt it though. 500m ram for a bit of text and 3 pictures is just too much
<RetardedOnion>mbakke: what do you think about ungoogled-chromium? its a great start. but it will never be perfect. and just another chromium patchset? hm.
<mbakke>RetardedOnion: I take some patches from Ungoogled-Chromium (and Iridium and Inox)... The various projects seem to have centered around Inox FWIW.
<OriansJ>RetardedOnion: you are more than free to join us w3m users
<OriansJ>Dillo is also an option for those who need graphics in their web experience.
<RetardedOnion>mbakke: yeah basically. chromium is just so big that i doubt it will ever be accepted by the libre softare community. ask rms what he thinks about it
<RetardedOnion>OriansJ: i think i will try to get with qutebrowser. it seems like its what i want. now how does it behave with 150 tabs open?
<mbakke>RetardedOnion: I think it's possible to get it in Guix, at least. The main remaining problem is hiding all the "Web Store" UI links since it contains non-free software (even though it's not functional in the default configuration).
<mbakke>That, and figure out where the remaining data transmission to Google comes from.
<mbakke>When the browser starts for the first time.
<OriansJ>RetardedOnion: well it is a webkit browser, so its memory and processor behavior are not that different than that of Chromium
<RetardedOnion>if i had a guix system running, id do that. but i left it for nix after kde wasnt packaged, just to come back when i am interested in diving into the hell that is bspwm. nix has some flaws.
<cryptocat1094>It occurs to me memorizing all the preferences of everyone I interact with rather than using neutral defaults would be rather cumbersome without some sort of substitution-table + a script for my irc client.
<RetardedOnion>debian with another init system. well debian itself probably too. depends on what you expect from a system
<rekado>RetardedOnion: this is probably meant as a joke, but please don’t compare other projects with diseases.
<RetardedOnion>rekado: i can compare debian with a disease easily and i can give some reasons for it. was still primarly intended as a joke
<zipper>/var/lib/guix/guix/profiles/ is empty and the guix-daemon.service file doesn't seem to exist
<snape>Well, I expect a system to provide Guix as package manager, the Shepherd as a daemon, high-level embedded domain-specific languages (EDSLs) to define packages, respecting the freedom of computer users, support for transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management, per-user profiles, etc