<j3kyl>how do I update packages installed with guix reconfigure? sudo guix update -u? <ng0>by running configure <ng0>guix package -u only updates your user profile <ng0>packages installed at reconfigure time are part of your system profile <j3kyl>ng0: so, guix reconfigure is the only way to update, thats kinda meh! I guess I wont install packages with reconfigure <ng0>you don't understand me I think <ng0>you have packages in the system context, and you have packages in the user context <ng0>they act independent from each other <ng0>there's software like, for example the kernel, which can only by upgraded by reconfigure into a new system generation <ng0>the usual way however is to install software as a user ***anon is now known as Guest74389
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<Copenhagen_Bram>There's a dependency for gzdoom that won't compile, where do I send the bug report? <CornBurglar>does anyone know why I might be missing mkfs.vfat and not mkfs.ext3,ext4, etc? (on GuixSD) <sneek>CornBurglar, you have 1 message. <sneek>CornBurglar, wigust- says: install ‘nix’ because of ‘nix-instantiate’. <IntoxicatedHippo>Has there been any discussion about adding optional dependencies to packages? <janneke>g_bor[m]: i have implemented an elf header fix and updated packages on wip-bootstrap <janneke>now we can go back to LD segfaulting :-) <rekado>Copenhagen_Bram: sbcl-stumpwm and ecl-stumpwm use SBCL and ECL as a Common Lisp implementation, respectively. <rekado>IntoxicatedHippo: optional dependencies do not fit into the functional package management model. <rekado>(Reading the mailing list recently I wonder why people insist they know better than I what I have read when replying emails.) <rekado>IntoxicatedHippo: there has been a discussion about adding notes to some packages, and store those notes in a well known file. <heglr>slim has segfaults in libXft.so for me <heglr>is there any way to force a rebuild? <rekado>heglr: a rebuild is very unlikely to fix things due to reproducible builds. Are you worried about a corrupted binary? <heglr>It doesn't seem like anyone else has this problem based on IRC logs and i'm just using the default %desktop-services configuration <heglr>Ok, it seems like adding (gnome-desktop-service) fixes it, and removing it leads to this error. <thorwil>hi! what's the best way to test a package definition added to fresh guix checkout? <thorwil>up to today, i thought pre-inst-env was part of the tree, now i notice there's only ./build-aux/pre-inst-env.in <rekado>thorwil: you need to build the sources first. <rekado>thorwil: you do this by entering an environment for guix, and then running ./bootstrap, ./configure --localstatedir=/var, make <rekado>thorwil: the “configure” step is going to generate the “pre-inst-env” script. <thorwil>rekado: banging my head on trying to ./configure, fails due to missing sqlite. i'm aware of the recent thread <rekado>thorwil: if you haven’t run “guix pull” recently, “guix environment guix” may not be sufficient. <rekado>you may need to run “guix environment guix --ad-hoc guile-sqlite3” <rekado>or run “guix pull” first before “guix environment guix” <thorwil>arg, but of course i need to have the "outer" guix update! <thorwil>ACTION wishes the prompt would change when in an environment <thorwil>ah, then it's because of a custom prompt on this ubuntu <thorwil>rekado: can what guix would do the prompt be "inherited"? <janneke>g_bor[m]: the LD segfault had nothing to do with configuration/installation, it was an `honest' mes lib c bug in fopen <janneke>i'm looking at a probably similar LD bug right now and am bisecting binutils versions between 2.14 and 2.25 <janneke>g_bor[m]: i'd love to tap into your expertise, but for now it's all stupid bugs :-) <ng0>hey.. how do you hack on python(2,3) using Guix? I've had several conclusion already where I'll patch cpython modules because otherwise what I'm doing doesn't work on Guix Oo <ng0>problem is on the system at work, which is not Guix but where I'm using Guix on top of another system, I don't have the problems I'm facing with Guix/GuixSD <ng0>it's testing if libextractor-python works and can be released <ng0>that's python c bindings to libextractor, and I could simply cook up a solution where I have a condition check for Guix, but this has to work beyond the environment, even installed <ng0>I also discovered "DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH" as an environment variable exists <ng0>none the wiser, but still useful <heglr>How do I use installed fonts? I added source code pro to my system configuration, rebooted and i can't select it in (for example) gnome text editor. <ng0>you have to run fontcache -vfi or what it was <ng0>the quickest way without installing fontconfig: <brendyn>Isn't guix supposed to run that automatically? <ng0>guix environment --ad-hoc fontconfig -- fc-cache -fvi <heglr>Do i have to restart my x after that? <heglr>Because i'm not able to select it in either icecat or gnome text editor <brendyn>Can slim be replaced with SDDM at this time? <heglr>After running fc-cache as root it worked <rekado>ng0: can you be more specific about your problem with Python? (Maybe email to help-guix@gnu.org?) <ng0>okay. Once I get feedback from grothoff running it on some other system I have a comparison. then I can contact the help list <ng0>but it finds nothing unless we set the environment variable <ng0>ah, I just figured I can use env vars in the bindings.. I just have to adjust the package accordingly on the system side <thorwil>rekado: with guix pulled a few minutes ago as well as the devel tree updated, configure still fails due to missing Guile-SQLite3 <thorwil>"guix environment guix --ad-hoc guile-sqlite3" doesn't do the trick, either <ng0>thorwill: guix environment --fallback --no-build-hook --pure guix <thorwil>ng0: "The command could not be located because '/bin:/usr/bin' is not included in the PATH environment variable. lesspipe: command not found" <ng0>I was assuming you already have guix installed <ng0>that's a snippet from my script I use to work on guix <thorwil>amazing how there's something new several times a day <heglr>How do i use the fonts for stuff that doesn't use fontconfig? xset +fp on the truetype dir in /run fails <janneke>damn, when running make --no-builtin-rules it succeeds <janneke>without `--no-builtin-rules', MAKE fantasizes a `cc' command <janneke>CC, GCC, CC_FOR_BUILD are all set to tcc <janneke>where could that come from -- and can we make --no-builtin-rules the default, please? ;-) <ng0>right down in the basement or some default switch of gcc? <janneke>wow, binutils has a `flat_bl.m' file, and builtin-rules treat it as an OBJC file <janneke>that's completely FU, but hey, "it works" -- let's hear it for builtin-rules! %-/ <ng0>it's at least not standard I think, line 203 in gnu/packages/networking.scm sets it for a package <janneke>bah, how to remove grof from binutils-2.17a? <janneke>it used to suffice to remove it from SUBDIRS = <janneke>but Makefile is "infested" with *-gprof" stuff <heglr>alezost: Thank, the second message had the right fix <dan__>I instaled Guix SD and after playing a bit I execute guix pull <dan__>guix system says: guix: system: command not found <dan__>it prints a sha, presumbably from where it pulled <dan__>also the build process spits out a lot of warnings <dan__>its 5 first chars of the sha only <Copenhagen_Bram>does guix pull run successfully or does it crash with system: command not found? <Copenhagen_Bram>Hmm. If I run `guix --help` it brings up a list of available guix commands. I wonder if you'd find 'system' in there if you did that <dan__>guix pull bootstraps the package form source, and inserts the newly built package in store, yes ? <dan__>guix: system: command not found <Copenhagen_Bram>Hmm. I had a problem with guix pull once, except it said offload command not found not system <dan__>also , locale is not part of base ? <dan__>seems not instaled on the minimal sistem <Copenhagen_Bram>If you're planning on running `guix system reconfigure` you have to run guix pull in root first, and guix system reconfigure must be run in root too <Copenhagen_Bram>another thing that's mysteriously missing is /etc/pam.d/chsh and i have no clue how to add that in config.scm <Copenhagen_Bram>dan__: beware of following my advice, I just started using guixSD a few days ago <dan__>so, Ill just try many things <dan__>if it goes to hell, good ridance, Ill do another one <Copenhagen_Bram>That reminds me, I ought to build another custom guix image and do some experimenting with an unencrypted bootloader separate from GuixSD's bootloader <dan__>also the environment is poluted I have no dbus installed, but dbus related things are in env <dan__>no dictionary install but DICT env var is set <brendyn>dan__: Guix is a little bit borked at the moment because many changes have occured since the last release. I was able to get mine updated after running guix pull many times with different commits, reconfiguring and rebooting a few times <dan__>They shoul tag that repository and make guix pull only from tags <dan__>nomatter that Guix Sd is "beta" , minimal preacutions to not waste ppl's time should betaken IMO <dan__>or remove that suggestion to to guix pull from all and any manual <dan__>the repository has some branches , but is not properly tagged <dan__>so you have no ideaa what you pull <dan__>so lets see if we can pull by tag <pkill9_>if you want to change the default shell, do it in the config.scm and run guix system reconfigure <Copenhagen_Bram>yes, /etc/config.scm is read-only for some reason, even if i edit it under sudo <brendyn>Copenhagen_Bram: what does 'lsattr /etc/config.scm' show? <brendyn>Copenhagen_Bram: Oh, you may have not actually opened it with sudo in emacs <dan__>prolly because it was copied from install iso <brendyn>then your password if needed, then /etc/config.scm <hulten>Where does one define Shepherd services in GuixSD? <brendyn>Is your emacs trying to open the file /sudo? <hulten>On my GuixSD is a /etc/sudoers (and I didn't create it). <brendyn>Hmm ok our emacs' are configured differently <g_bor[m]>hulten: Existing services to be started or new ones? <brendyn>I use spacemacs, and doing /sudo runs tramp to open the file with sudo. vanilla emacs doesn't do that. I hadn't realised <brendyn>If you're a vimmer, you might like spacemacs <brendyn>It's just a git repo with config that goes in your .emacs.d, easy to install <hulten>I also have an issue with sudo(8): 'visudo' says "no editor found", but $EDITOR is set to 'vim', which is in my $PATH. <brendyn>I think spacemacs is awesome. vanilla emacs provides very little by default. <brendyn>visudo: no editor found (editor path = /usr/bin/vi) <brendyn>I think you are not supposed to use visudo on GuixSD though <dan__>if you do things with visudo they should be volatile I think <dan__>youll have to use the system config <dan__>which Ill also do to fix my ssh root logins in VM as soon as I get that borked guix to work <brendyn>It says G-Expression but doesn't provide an example <dan__>since I use this only by 1 h <hulten>The 'Bash' in (shell Bash) is already defined in such a G-expression. <dan__>is zsh already in your system store ? <hulten>On any system, I tend to never change root's default shell, because it might lock you out of the system. <Copenhagen_Bram>I see. I never knew that, and when I had parabola I happily had oh-my-zsh installed on root <hulten>Maybe it is actually fine on many systems... <hulten>On OpenBSD there is only ksh in the core system; packages, like bash or zsh, are separate from this core system. <hulten>Once I set root's shell on OpenBSD to bash, later I removed bash for some reason, and obviously I was locked out. <hulten>ksh cannot be removed as it is part of the core system. <hulten>Now, for many GNU/Linux distributions this may be somehwat different as they typically not have such a strict separations between "core system" and "packages". <dan__>I always used vanilla sh for root <brendyn> (shell #~(string-append #$zsh "/bin/zsh")) <brendyn>Copenhagen_Bram: nope I found it on the mailing list <Copenhagen_Bram>i wonder if i should use emacs/spacemacs to check my mail now, or install icedove again <brendyn>Copenhagen_Bram: spacemacs isn't packaged because packaging it would actually require some integration work <dan__>does guix allow to control per user configuration <brendyn>Copenhagen_Bram: it's easy to install it just look on the spacemacs site <dan__>like generate a .emacs with my specs for a certain user ? <apteryx`>hi! I'm stuck trying to update guix on this error: In procedure private-lookup: No variable bound to define-module* in module (guile). I think it was discussed somewhere but can't find it. Any pointer? <g_bor[m]>Copenhagen_Bram: actually the root account is defined in gnu/system.scm in the sources. I guess you can modify that if you really want :) <dan__>it hsould be overidable somehow, else it doesnt make any sense <g_bor[m]>Copenhagen_Bram: Okay, a better look at the code there and here is the solution: provide a user account with uid 0, then it becomes the root account. You can the provide the shell. <roptat>\\o/ I've fixed my bug in gradle-launcher <apteryx`>nevermind about my earlier problem; it must have been one of the multithreading bug in Guile which causes `guix pull' every now and then. <g_bor[m]>roptat: I've noticed that after a clean git checkout, and rebuilding everything I have the french manuals modified. I guess that's because not the most recent version is checked in. Can you have a look at that? I guess we should just regenerate the files and check in the modified version WDYT? <thorwil>guix configure still fails here, not finding guile-sqlite3 <thorwil>within either `guix environment guix` or `guix environment guix --ad-hoc guile-sqlite3` <thorwil>to be precise, it prints "checking whether Guile-Sqlite3 is available and recent enough... no" <thorwil>the last guix pull and a fresh git clone of maybe 10 minutes ago <g_bor[m]>thorwil: could you try guix environment guix --ad-hoc guile-sqlite3 or similar? <thorwil>g_bor[m]: that already happened. something strange is going on here <thorwil>g_bor[m]: thank you, but i already followed that thread <thorwil>what would be a cheap and straightforward package to test if --ad-hoc does its thing here at all? <roptat>g_bor[m], I'm not sure: both the po and texi files are tracked by git. Does git preserve timestamps? <g_bor[m]>roptat: Actually the content really changes. An additional paragraph is added. I will have a look in a sec. <roptat>g_bor[m], yes that's intended: it's regenerated because the po file is updated <roptat>but the translation is based on the current manual <roptat>what I would like is that it's not updated when the manual changes, only when the po file is updated <g_bor[m]>roptat: I see. Do you have any idea how to solve this? For now I usually just check them out again... <g_bor[m]>thorwil: I had a look at that configure check, it evaluates (@ (sqlite3) sqlite-bind-arguments) in guile. <thorwil>g_bor[m]: not sure about the implications. anyway, even `guix environment guix --ad-hoc sqlite guile-sqlite3` doesn't help <g_bor[m]>thorwil: I've tested this expression in the REPL. I needed --ad-hoc guile guile-readline guile-sqlite3 to make this working. <g_bor[m]>But I still don't know what is the difference, and here it works. Most probably I have a more recent guix. <thorwil>guix environment guix --ad-hoc guile guile-readline guile-sqlite3 => same result <thorwil>this suggests i'm not actually using the result of the recent guix pull <thorwil>is this correct? which guix => /home/thorwil/.config/guix/current/bin/guix <g_bor[m]>thorwil: running it with --version is more informative :) <g_bor[m]>all modification timestamps are reset... <roptat>thorwil, this is normal. you should be able to use guix pull -l <thorwil>i knew why when i saw it, still now i will imagine guix wears bell-bottoms ;) <thorwil>guix (GNU Guix) 806f599c5bc630362359809e66ee8d6f275580c3 is too helpful in answering newer/older questions, isn't it? <roptat>that's why "guix pull -l" is more usefull <roptat>wow, gradle has so many dependencies :/ <thorwil>i thought "guix pull -l" was only mentioned as a future possibility <roptat>g_bor[m], I somehow managed to prevent that <roptat>but it depends on parts of maven for instance <g_bor[m]>roptat: That is fine by the way... I almost expected that. <roptat>yes, it's alright as it doesn't add a dependency loop <g_bor[m]>I guess that we also have groovy then :) <thorwil>hulten: what kind of service do you have in mind? <hulten>So with a dependency on networking. <roptat>hulten, we already define some services in guix that can be useful. You can have a look at the different services in gnu/services for some inspiration <hulten>This doesn't work in the normal mount definition. <roptat>I don't think there is an nfs4 service though <roptat>but feel free to contribute one :) <hulten>roptat, should I begin with something like gnu/system/file-systems.scm (both for inspiration and actual understanding how to do this :)? <roptat>hulten, if you know what kind of command you need to run to mount it, just look at a file in gnu/services to have some examples of the syntax <roptat>I think you want a shepherd-service-type <hulten>Services are defined in different ways. <hulten>For instance, (services (cons* (xfce-desktop-service) (service openssh-service-type))) <roptat>g_bor[m], so if I take a binary release of gradle and override the jar files with my own (leaving jar files for what I don't have yet), I can build a gradle project :D <hulten>What's the difference between a (SOMETHING-service) and a (service SOMETHING-type)? <roptat>something-service is ususally a procedure that returns (service something-type) <roptat>(well almost: the project in question is an android app, and it fails to find the android jdk, which is expected) <hulten>roptat, I'm just starting to learn Scheme, so I sort of recognise it. Could you give an example/analogy with arithmetic stuff, so (* 3 4) etc.? <g_bor[m]>I'm currently fixing java bugs, and ant build system problems. Then I'm going to finish up upgrading the default jdk to java8. <roptat>hulten, (something-service) means that you call a procedure named something-service. This procedure is defined to return the result of calling (service something-type), which is essentially the same as calling (service something-type) directly <roptat>the procedure can be nicer, because it can have multiple optional arguments, whereas service has one mandatory argument and exactly one optional argument <roptat>it's easier to only implement the service-type, because the procedure is only a wrapper around that <hulten>roptat, it make sense, I'll try out some things, thanks. <roptat>g_bor[m], the binary release has some scary jar file, like "kotlin-*.jar", "aws-java-sdk-*.jar", "google-api-services-storage.jar" <roptat>I've already tried to build kotlin, but it depends on itself <g_bor[m]>roptat: Maybe I can have a look at kotlin later. <rekado>sneek: later tell thorwil The error you get about lesspipe is because you’re in a pure environment, but your shell initialisation scripts refer to things like lesspipe that are not in the environment. <rekado>sneek: later tell brendyn Guix is not “a little bit borked at the moment”. <hulten>I wanted to have a nicer REPL experience in Guile Scheme, so I tried to follow the suggestion at start-up, "Consider installing the 'guile-readline' package ...". <hulten>It said "no code for module (ice-9 readline)". :( <hulten>Should I do something else/more to make readline available within guile? <roptat>hulten, (use-modules (ice-9 readline)) (activate-readline) <roptat>how did you install guile-readline? <roptat>didn't guix tell you you should add an environment variable? <roptat>GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH and GUILE_LOAD_PATH should have $HOME/.guix-profile/something in them <hulten>Yes, it did, it's as simple as that! 