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<vagrantcish>yay. linux-libre can now build on aarch64-linux!
<lyr3>hey, after installing some packages with (guix package -i) I get two errors:
<lyr3>unsupported manifest format and some backstrace output
<lyr3>that ocurred thrice.
<lyr3>I wonder what I am doing wrong
<mange>I think "unsupported manifest format" is when the profile was built by a more recent, and incompatible, version of guix than what you're currently using. At least, that's where I've seen that before.
<mange>It's hard to help with the backtrace without actually seeing it. Can you make a paste of it?
<lyr3>Too bad, I will reinstall and redo all of it again.
<lyr3>About the unsupported manifest, that happened always after a guix pull (user)
<mange>So you ran guix pull as a regular user, then guix package -i failed as that user?
<lyr3>that last time, I did a guix pull as root, then a guix pull as user
<lyr3>guix package -i did recommend to guix pull and guix package -u
<lyr3>after installing the first package
<lyr3>as user
<lyr3>How do I install package for all users?
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<mange>Add it to your system's config.scm file, in the packages field of your operating-system.
<lyr3>oh, guix reconfigure. So what is the usability of the local guix package -i under GuixSD
<mange>On my GuixSD machines I have very few packages installed system-wide (I have nss-certs, and whatever's in %base-pcakages), and I install practically everything as user packages.
<lyr3>And how do you update packages installed through guix reconfigure xx.scm?
<mange>sudo guix pull && guix reconfigure xx.scm
<mange>You have to update the whole system to update the system-wide packages, which is a good reason to favour user packages.
<mange>Well, maybe not a good reason, but a reason. Usually it's quicker for me to update my user packages than to reconfigure my system.
<lyr3>There is any way to install xfce or wm as user and login? I could not achieve that
<lyr3>Slim wont reckon wm/de installed by users
<mange>I think Slim will still run your .xsessionrc, so you can source ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile (to get $PATH, etc.), then run your window manager of choice.
<mange>I have (xfce-desktop-service) in my system services, though, so I use the system xfce.
<lyr3>thank you. Time to reinstall it! haha
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<Apteryx_>hello guix!
<Apteryx_>where is the system's shepherd config stored on GuixSD?
<Apteryx_>I guess it's only kept in the form of the derivation of the config.scm file that describes my system?
<mange>It's stored in the store. I think it's /gnu/store/...-shepherd.conf, but finding out which one corresponds to your current system is trickier. I can't remember how to do that.
<mange>Maybe it's somewhere in /run/current-system/?
<baconicsynergy>Installing guix on android part 2: LETS DEUX THIS
<baconicsynergy>wiped my os, starting from scratch
<baconicsynergy>Lineage 15.1, Nexus 6P (angler)
<baconicsynergy>will report anything I encounter, and possibly any suggestions to improve the instructions
<bnw>I deleted /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt since I thought I was from some unknown source. Then I found out it probably was from guix (running in Debian). Where can I get it back?
<marusich>bnw, just run "guix system reconfigure" on your latest config file.
<marusich>That file is auto-generated by a profile hook, so when you do that, it will recreate it for the system profile.
<baconicsynergy>sneek: tell roptat /system/etc/ and /etc/ are both present on lineage 15.1. which should I choose?
<mange>I don't think that file was from Guix. If you're running debian, I'm fairly sure debian puts that file there.
<marusich>bnw, my advice applies only for GuixSD; if you're on a foreign distro, I don't know what to do.
<mange>I'm currently on a debian machine, and I have an /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt file that I'm at least 90% sure Guix didn't put there.
<marusich>There is a way to regenerate the file on Debian
<marusich>I don't remember exactly, but if you do an Internet search I'm sure you'll find it.
<baconicsynergy>certificates scare me
<bnw>I saw almost all files under /etc/ssl/certs/ were soft link and thought normal files there were from unknown source
<vagrantcish>bnw: apt --purge --reinstall install ca-certificates, probably
<g_bor[m]>Maybe update-ca-certificates is enough?
<bnw>apt --reinstall install ca-certificates did the trick
<vagrantcish>ACTION waves
<catonano>Hi vagrantcish !
<efraim>ACTION waves too
<jeko>hello !!
<jeko>I try to play withh guixsd but i have troubles to setup my vm network...
<jeko>folloed the steps here
<snape>Apteryx_: if you 'ps auxww | grep shepherd', you'll find its configuration file
<jeko>the file doesn't exist
<jeko>I am running a fresh vm
<g_bor[m]>jeko: so, you are using the installation image?
<jeko>the GuixSD 0.14.0 QEMU Image
<g_bor[m]>jeko: do you receive any error messages?
<jeko>g_bor[m]: when I ran this command 'ps auxww | grep shepherd' did get an error message
<snape>jeko: I was not talking to you actually :-) with IRC, if jane says: "john: something", it means jane is talking to john.
<g_bor[m]>jeko: ok, just to clarify what is already done, did you run 'ip a', what was the result, and what is the name of your primary network interface?
<snape>jeko: Also, saying someone's nickname allow their IRC client (well, most of them) to beep, so they get notified that someone is talking to them.
<jeko>snape: right, sorry haha
<jeko>g_bor[m]: "ip a" or "ifconfig -a" give me lo and ens3
<jeko>g_bor[m]: then I did "ifconfig ens3 up"
<jeko>g_bor[m]: then "dhclient -v ens3"
<jeko>g_bor[m]: the result is inet addr : for ens3
<g_bor[m]>jeko: And after that, pinging a public ip does not work?
<g_bor[m]>jeko: is that ip on the expected network?
<jeko>g_bor[m]: exactly the ping result in only transmitted packets and 0 received
<jeko>g_bor[m]: how can I know which network is used?
<g_bor[m]>jeko: ok, it seems that the problem is not on the guixsd side. Do you have any other vm with a working network? How do you start your vm?
<efraim>Ping is known to not work in the vm
<jeko>g_bor[m]: I have nothing to compare actually :/ the command I use to start is "qemu-system-x86_64 -net user -net nic,model=virtio -enable-kvm -m 2048 guixsd-vm-image-0.14.0.x86_64-linux"
<g_bor[m]>efraim: thanks, i did not know that.
<jeko>efraim: me neither hahaha
<g_bor[m]>efraim: do we mention that in the documentation? Should we suggest another way to test network in a vm?
<efraim>'guix build hello' maybe?
<jeko>Alright then I tried guix buid hello and the network is clearly the issue... "ERROR: In procedure getaddrinfo: Name or service not known"
<jeko>when trying to download binutils
<g_bor[m]>This might be a name resolution problem. I am not sure what is available on the vm image. What is the output of 'ip route show'?
<g_bor[m]>Sorry ip route list
<g_bor[m]>Also what is in /etc/resolv.conf?
<g_bor[m]>jeko: you might try to add a nameserver there.
<jeko>g_bor[m]: ip route list returns nothing
<jeko>g_bor[m]: in resolv.conf I found "nameserver"
<g_bor[m]>jeko: it seems that routing information is somehow missing. What is the output of ip addr show ens3?
<g_bor[m]>jeko: also, can you ping (this ping should work)
<numerobis>Hello guix! I've got another question regarding build reproducibility. Suppose that I wrote a small program X, that depends on a series of libraries, and that I want the results generated using program X to be reproducible. If I write a guix package for it, the result of the build will still depend on the guix distribution, right? (i.e., doing 'guix pull' might change the resulting executable, if the
<numerobis>derivations of some of the dependencies change.) Is there a way to specify a git commit of the guix distribution in the package definition, or something like that? Or does the goal of reproducibility only apply to packages in the guix tree? Thank you!
<jeko>g_bor[m]: Alright I found the problem !
<jeko>g_bor[m]: the reason was, I'm dumb...
<jeko>g_bor[m]: between tries the network interface changes and i lost the seam
<jeko>g_bor[m]: now I can download part of hello but there is a disk space issue. i think i will be able to manage it now
<jeko>g_bor[m]: thank you very much for helping me
<jeko>g_bor[m]: and... ping doesn't work in vm haha !
<g_bor[m]>jeko: you are welcome! I have also run into disk space issues earlier, the image should be resized. I did not realized the limitation of ping, it is not the limitation of vm, but the qemu user mode network. I'm not affedted, as my vms run on bridged network.
<g_bor[m]>jeko: I have also used a customized installation medium to provision my vms recently.
<g_bor[m]>jeko: I'm glad, that you finally could get it working.
<jeko>g_bor[m]: have a nice day, I leave the channel! thank you again
<g_bor[m]>jeko: Thanks, bye!
<bavier`>good day guix
<dustyweb>I got a usb-c hub but it doesn't work and it looks like maybe a bluetooth driver is being kicked on and failing to load, though that makes no sense
<dustyweb>I'm gonna try with not-linux-libre and on morgan's debian laptop to see if it works
<efraim>we don't build the html output of the manual with the standard 'make all', do we?
<PotentialUser-27>is it possible to install guixsd on an uefi computer? mbp for example?
<Rukako>PotentialUser-27: there are some information about systems that use EFI here
<Rukako>I don't know anything about it myself though
<g_bor[m]>PotentialUser-27: I have not tried it myself yet, but is should without problem. There are some issues regarding documentation, though.
<lfam>efraim: To build the HTML manual, I do `make doc/guix.html`
<kmicu>PotentialUser-27: do you contribute to Pijul by any chance? :P
<Rukako>should I prefer classes, records, or what in guile?
<Rukako>I only used the racket structs and message passing (in the way shown in SICP) in the past
<Rukako>I would just use a hash table or a list and define different "getters" that use caddr and stuff on it but I would like to know the "proper" way to do it in guile
<Rukako>(especically when considering that guile supports SRFI-9, its own, as well as R6RS records)
<baconicsynergy>hello friends :)
<catonano>Rukako: you may want to ask this question on #guile
<OrangeShark>Rukako: you can check the coding style page in the Guix manual
<Rukako>thank you for that!
<baconicsynergy>Where did sneek run off to???
<baconicsynergy>sneek come back :(
<baconicsynergy>We miss you!