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<marusich>Apteryx, yes, the full path is "just" another store path.

<marusich>Specifically, the "out" output, I think, gets used in the calculation of the output's store path.

<marusich>Therefore, if you have three outputs - "out", "debug", and "doc", for example - you would get three different store paths, I think.

<marusich>In the case of outputs that are not "out", I believe we also add the output name to the path. For example, the "doc" output of "gnucash" on my system lives at /gnu/store/b7121fqqsglgf5wkhay3imf9ak076k6y-gnucash-2.6.18-doc.

<marusich>And that's different from the normal "out" output path, which lives at /gnu/store/3fydrrhmwj9zhmis95rd6snd4l8958ra-gnucash-2.6.18 and has a different hash.

<Apteryx>can't I use (define* with #:allow-other-keys but without defining any keyworded arg?

<Apteryx>it fails to compile :/

<pkill9>the 'vc' package is failing to build: http://hydra.gnu.org/build/2483552

<pkill9>it's failing in the testing phase

<Apteryx>how often does guix checks for grafts?

<Apteryx>(how often does it invalidates its cache)

<lfam>Apteryx: Grafts come with other package changes via `guix pull`

<janneke>hydra times-out for me: url-insert-file-contents: http://hydra.gnu.org/api/jobsets?project=gnu: Gateway time-out

<sneek>janneke, you have 1 message.

<sneek>janneke, OriansJ says: we have a new toy for him (https://github.com/oriansj/kaem) that way we can remove shells and make from our build process

<janneke>is berlin.guixsd.org's cuirass api available?

<janneke>sneek: botsnack

<sneek>:)

<janneke>OriansJ: thanks for your `horrible' stuff ;-), how do i use it?

<Tirifto>Hello all!

<efraim>hi!

<Tirifto>Would someone know whether the commands in step 3 in the binary installation guide ( https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Binary-Installation.html ) are supposed to be run as root or as an ordinary user?

<efraim>you can verify the signature as a regular user

<Tirifto>The stated aims for the step are: “Make root’s profile available under ~/.guix-profile” and “Source etc/profile to augment PATH and other relevant environment variables:”

<efraim>ah

<efraim>that should be run as root

<efraim>the assumption is that '$' is for a regular user and '#' is for root

<rekado_>Tirifto: we also have an installer script that takes care of all of these things.

<Tirifto>Ohh! That makes a lot of sense and it went right over my head.

<rekado_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnua_SQUpr0

<rekado_>oop

<rekado_>s

<rekado_> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/etc/guix-install.sh

<Tirifto>Oh, thanks!

<Tirifto>And within the tutorial, is $HOME as used by root supposed to point to “/root” rather than “/home/username”?

<efraim>thats right

<Tirifto>Excellent, that clears things up. Thank you! :)

<quiliro>saluton!

<quiliro>mi estas uzanto de guixsd

<quiliro>bonan mateneon guixistoj

<roptat>saluton quiliro :)

<efraim>ng0: unable to access 'https://c.n0.is/git/ng0_guix/guix.git/': SSL: certificate subject name (code.crash.cx) does not match target host name 'c.n0.is'

<ng0>yep, server crashed. see the email I've sent this week :/ .. I'm slowly bringing it all up again. git://code.crash.cx/ng0/guix/guix.git will work

<efraim>ok

<ng0>https fetch will return eventually

<efraim>I got my aarch64 build box back online finally

<pkill9>is it possible to roll back a `guix pull`?

<janneke>pkill9: the effect you experience from a guix pull is that your ~/.config/guix/latest symlink has been moved

<mbakke>pkill9: you can run `guix pull --commit=...`

<janneke>pkill9: if you reset it to its previous value, or a git checkout eg, you're fine

<pkill9>ok

<pkill9>hmm, it would be good if guix automatically made symlinks to previous generatiosn of guix-latest, like it does with profiles

<ng0>I think someone broke the qemu build. I'm doing another build to check it

<catonano>in building a python package I get NameError: name 'doctest' is not defined

<catonano>where is doctest defined ?

<Apteryx>what was the package required to get the "python" executable?

<Apteryx>nevermind, python-wrapper it is

<Apteryx>I have another issue: Downloading https://berlin.guixsd.org/nar/9yw00659k8v4k1bb4kis5wpjg6sgr49h-flake8-2.5.4.tar.xz...

<Apteryx>guix substitute: error: download from 'https://berlin.guixsd.org/nar/9yw00659k8v4k1bb4kis5wpjg6sgr49h-flake8-2.5.4.tar.xz' failed: 502, "Bad Gateway"

<efraim>I don't have a copy of it on my aarch64 box it seems

<Apteryx>what does this error mean? (502). Does the archive need to be manually cleared on the substitute server?

<ng0>hm.. qemu not broken. then it was something on the server

<catonano>ah I messed up some imports in the tests off my module, sorry

<davidl>Im trying to use my own xmonad.hs file but when I reload the config I get the error /run/current-system/profile/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory.

<davidl>I have tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LIBRARY_PATH to include the path to crt1.o but that didn't help.

<davidl>Im also having the recent user-homes could not be started problem.

<wigust>davidl: Do you have a gcc-toolchain package installed?

<davidl>wigust: I have glibc installed. The problem went away when I appended the path to GHC_PACKAGE_PATH

<davidl>wigust: so not sure actually how to check whether a package is installed without tabbing a package-related command.

<davidl>although now I got a new problem instead.

<wigust>davidl: The following will tell you about “is installed” https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Invoking-guix-package.html#Invoking-guix-package

<pkill9>TIL the joy of --with-source

<wigust>davidl: We use “gcc-toolchain” package instead of installing “glibc” and other, because it should be a union (as I remember and understand). See https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Application-Setup.html#Application-Setup

<davidl>wigust: ok, thanks. Ill try installing that package.

<Apteryx>another one: Downloading https://berlin.guixsd.org/nar/wc2z3dm400s5pvrmv9b02nvw8wi5r80d-tiff-4.0.8.tar.xz...

<Apteryx>guix substitute: error: download from 'https://berlin.guixsd.org/nar/wc2z3dm400s5pvrmv9b02nvw8wi5r80d-tiff-4.0.8.tar.xz' failed: 502, "Bad Gateway"

<Apteryx>guix environment: error: build failed: some substitutes for the outputs of derivation `/gnu/store/kcsa9msjkv2c3i07h7cc58b0m4dj610r-tiff-4.0.8.tar.xz.drv' failed (usually happens due to networking issues); try `--fallback' to build derivation from source

<pkill9>i got that Apteryx

<Apteryx>maybe some recent development on Cuirass?

<ngz>I seem to encounter an error with Guix recently. Whenever I add a package to my profile, I end up with a bunch of "wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" errors related to gtk.

<ngz>Is it something known?

<davidl>wigust: now I can recompile but during login it complains about not finding libxft.so.2 and then fails.

<davidl>I tried the fc-cache -f and installing font-packages

<pkill9>ngz: are you running GuixSD, or Guix on a foreign distro?

<ngz>Guix on Debian

<ngz>I'm not enough of a daredevil to play with GuixSD ;)

<pkill9>try running `export GUIX_GTK3_PATH="$GUIX_PROFILE/lib/gtk-3.0${GUIX_GTK3_PATH:+:}$GUIX_GTK3_PATH"` in shell (obviously replacing $GUIX_PROFILE with yours) and see if it does it

<amz3>ng0: you mutated into ngz :D

<amz3>ACTION trying to be funny

<ngz>pkill9: OK, I'm going to try this (I'm in a middle of a guix pull at the moment). However, is this environment variable new? I re-installed my system (including Guix) recently but didn't have this set before.

<ngz>Also, why isn't it in my profile then?

<pkill9>dunno, I instaleld somethign one time and it suggested it

<ng0>amz3: yeah it was confusing at first

<ngz>amz3: ng0 is the hero part of me.

<ngz>ACTION is also trying hard to be funny.

<amz3>^^

<ng0>zero the hero

<pkill9>i just leave it set in my .profile since it's a guix-specific variable and therefore won't interfere with any of my distro's native software

<pkill9>also i don't think Guix adds these variables to your guix profile's /etc/profile

<pkill9>i have a bunch of suggested ones I added to my ~/.profile which haven't appeared in my Guix's /etc/profile

<pkill9>(suggested by Guix after I install certain software)

<rekado_>Something isn’t quite right.

<rekado_>I hardly get any substitutes.

<rekado_>oh… this could be because I played with the grafts module.

<mbakke>pkill9: I typically source /.guix-profile/etc/profile in .profile (or /etc/profile.d/) rather than adding them manually.

<mbakke>I mean ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile

<pkill9>actually it does add those suggested variables to .guix-profile/etc/profile

<ngz>But not GUIX_GTK3_PATH, AFAICT

<pkill9>oh interesting

<pkill9>i wonder why it doesn't ad GUIX_GTK3_PATH

<pkill9>add*

<wigust>davidl: What about “libxft” package?

<davidl>wigust: xmonad-x86_64 error while loading shared libraries

<davidl>wigust: "..shared libraries: cannot open shared object file libxft.so.2: No such file or directory"

<pkill9>hmm dunno why i thought your problem was related to GTK, since i just realised you said it says that when installinga ny package

<wigust>davidl: Try to install “libxft” package.

<davidl>wigust: it is installed

<davidl>wigust: I can find it in the gnu store

<rekado_>it would only set those variables if you had the gtk+ package installed in your profile.

<wigust>davidl: Then “ghc-x11-xft”?

<wigust>ACTION just guessing

<davidl>wigust: will try that

<wigust>davidl: The store should has “libxft” as well as “~/.guix-profile”.

<wigust>davidl: “find -L ~/.guix-profile -iname 'libxft*'” should output “libXft.so.2”.

<davidl>wigust: .guix-profile doesn't have it so far

<wigust>davidl: This means you didn't install “libxft”. What was the command?

<davidl>it's a package in /etc/config.scm

<davidl>wigust: guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm

<davidl>wigust: I get "shepherd: Evaluating user expression (register-services (primitive-load "/gnu/sto?")). \\n Service: user-homes could not be started.

<wigust>davidl: the last one is a different issue not related, i think

<davidl>wigust: ok. Should I try installing with guix package -i libxft?

<wigust>davidl: What is your “printenv LIBRARY_PATH”?

<davidl>wigust: /run/current-system/profile/lib

<pkill9>is there a virtual machine available to download in .vdi format? (virtualbox)

<davidl>wigust: libxft.so.2 etc exist in /run/current-system/profile/lib as symlinks.

<wigust>davidl: I'm not sure, but I think “gcc-toolchain” installed in your user profile doesn't like system profile libraries. If you will install “libxft”, it will hint about exporting “LIBRARY_PATH”.

<davidl>wigust: I was able to run a default xmonad-profile before I installed gcc-toolchain.

<wigust>davidl: Because the default was compiled during xmonad build, wasn't he?

<davidl>wigust: I suppose.

<wigust>davidl: Mixing profiles (system's and user's) could be tricky, especially if they are using differen Guix version (usually it is).

<mbakke>pkill9: I believe `qemu-img` can convert from qcow2 to .vdi. Haven't tried it that way though.

<davidl>wigust: so if I login as my regular user and update the system to 0.14 with guix pull and system reconfigure /etc/config.scm - would it perhaps be resolved then?

<davidl>wigust: thx for your help. Ill have to look at this again another time.

<wigust>davidl: np, but you choose a really hard way. Much easier to install xmonad, gcc-toolchain, libxft as a user which will compile xmonad config and use xmonad

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