<oriansj>just a stupid question but shouldn't login managers and the Window managers/Desktop environments they display be by definition global? For what would happen if 2 people installed say i3 How would any of the users know which version was which <oriansj>(especially if one of the users built a custom version) <joshuaBPMan>oriansj: If I understand you properly...good question. <oriansj>joshuaBPMan: there are also security implications of users installing particular pieces of software (say screen savers, login interfaces and sudo) but I don't believe guix even has the concept of security impacting packages <oriansj>one could say we should perhaps look closer at critical views of our work and probably take some time to talk to the people most critical of guix to find the areas where we really should be improving <oriansj>notice for example, why don't we steal an idea from apt (but in reverse) where one could append --install-recommends which would add additional packages that are generally needed by the named package (like how you need to install nss-certs when you install icecat or bash-completions when you install bash) <oriansj>why don't we have a guix unpack for installing pack files created by guix pack ? <joshuaBPMan>oriansj: I honestly don't understand what your original question was. <oriansj>joshuaBPMan: it was about the issues and security implications of installing login managers/Window managers by non-administrative users <happy_gnu[m]>guile-wm in (packages (cons* ratpoison i3-wm i3status dmenu ;window managers <happy_gnu[m]>guix system: erro: failed to loat '/etc/config.scm'" ... unbound variable: guile-wm <thomassgn>happy_gnu[m]: check what the location of guile-wm is. you ca do this by looking at location in the search results for it with `guix package -s guile-wm' <thomassgn>the location (without .scm) should be added to your '(use-package-modules ...)' at the top of your configuration <thomassgn>happy_gnu[m]: also, you might have to add it in the wm services bit, but look it up, or ask me again later. (to lazy now, omw to bed) <joshuaBPMan>crazy thought, how hard would it be to package an "emacs distribution" into a guix package? You could install additional helper programs for Emacs. Syntax checking, searching programs, a service to start it, etc. <happy_gnu[m]>joshuaBPMan: like all Elpa and Melpa merged in one distribution? <happy_gnu[m]>but when I enter password and it enters guile-wm it shows and error and logs out <sadiq[m]>How long does it take to boot the system? <happy_gnu[m]>sadiq[m]: depends what is your system specs? what Desktop Enviroment are you using? <sadiq[m]>Gnome. But it is now stuck for about 5 minutes <sadiq[m]>I see "Entering a new prompt" text. But I don't see any prompt <sadiq[m]>The boot began. Seems like some error happened. <sadiq[m]>The text ERROR: LUKS partition not found is shown <happy_gnu[m]>well in the morning I cancelled my installation before time sadiq[m] <happy_gnu[m]>mount partitions (do not make them again, just mount them they should have everything) <sadiq[m]>Hm.. So should I remove (dependencies mapped-devices) defun call if cryptsetup isn't used? (In config.scm) <pksadiq>why is installation always failing at certain package (adwaita-icon-theme)? seems like the file is downloaded partially <civodul>pksadiq: could you give the URL that's causing problems? <civodul>people reported something similar in the past, but i thought this was fixed <ArneBab>, got 49b3fc5b436309b4d097ed3c84946d5cab742db6159d76f5ad7a1d7896a2760f <pksadiq>civodul: I resumed with fallback. Now working fine. Sorry, I couldn't capture the url <janneke>sorry for the cuirass-bug-spam, i'm working on a documentation patch <civodul>ArneBab: you're upgrading from what version? <ArneBab>civodul: from more than a year ago. --fallback wasn’t recognized as option <ng0>happy_gnu[m]: I came to a conclusion for a good name for my set of scripts which will generate a distributable New Moon / Pale Moon variant at some point: meissa. <efraim>Can i put in my os-config (dependencirs /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2) <ng0>is "libindicator" present in some branch I don't know about? It's not in master. <ng0>"A set of symbols and convience functions that all indicators would like to use. Not of real use outside of the Ayatana indicators project." <ng0>or "libindicator.scm" <ng0>^ picking this one for now, it's easier to rebase the patches and rename it if someone doesn't agree. <efraim>I'm having a hard time with this error, from the installer. (string-append "-root=" (uuid… <ng0>I have this problem with atril. I provided "openjpeg" but in the last phase of install it can not find -lopenjpeg. Anything obvious I could try? <efraim>Try the older openjpeg or manually add -lopenjepg <efraim>Also only fix introspection once :) <thomasd>ng0: also, you could try something like (string-append (assoc-ref %build-inputs "openjpeg") "/lib"), or "/include". In my experience, most configure-scripts seem to expect the lib or include directory in such an option (./configure --help might give a hint, or config.log) <ng0>at least the error changed ;) <ng0>ld: cannot find -lgs <ng0>we stumble forwards, one failure at a time <ng0>lib gs... ghostscript right? <thomasd>ng0: gs = ghostscript? it's not listed in the inputs <ng0>success \\o/ (minus the test suite) <efraim>nee``: I'm also getting errors related to read-boot-parameters-file <pksadiq>why does guixSD install 3.22 version of many packages while the list in guix websites lists 3.24 versions of those? <nee``>Also, the error says "/var/guix/profiles/system-1...". Is it reading all profiles there to generate the grub entries? Could it be failing to read an older profiles, because of the new syntax? <efraim>nee``: it shouldn't be an issue, this is a new install <nee``>pksadiq: I think the website gets regenerated with commits to master, maybe you need to `guix pull` and `guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm` to update the gnome packages. <nee``>pksadiq: `guix package -s ^gnome$` lists gnome 3.24.3 for me and I just did a pull a few minutes ago. <efraim>nee``: I also tried to build the config examples <nee``>guix --version says 851cb6dd3996ef72ad7c23bd588f8ffb64a2c21e <thomasd>I see that a bug in that code was fixed (or introduced? :) ) last week <ng0>alright. 1 thing left on the road to an almost complete Mate Desktop: fixing caja extensions integration. <thomasd>since you are on the latest version, might be that the fix introduced another issue <ng0>fwiw, I have a system where since a recent'ish commit the luks disk is no longer found, backtrace on boot. But it's no loss to boot into older generation and set it up again from 0. <ng0>the other systems, with not so many disk like this one, still work <thomasd>nee: can you paste the content of your /var/guix/profiles/system-{xyz}-link/parameters files somewhere? <thomasd>(or specifically, the “root-device” entry) <pksadiq``>will --fallback build all packages from source? <thomasd>nee: I think the problem is that the “store device” in your parameter files is “(store (device #f) (...))”, which is not handled by the code trying to parse that parameters file <thomasd>fwiw, on my machine it's “(device "my-root")”, i.e. the label of my root partition. Don't know what (device #f) means. <pksadiq``>this is too much. I shall try this again some other day. Every single package is being built from source, and not just the failing package :( <nee``>thomasd: Maybe it is related to the deprecated (device) field in the bootloader settings that was replaced by (target). I used device until today. <thomasd>nee: hmm, that's possible. I don't have time to fully debug it now. <thomasd>as a workaround, you could remove the “system-xyz-link” symlinks before running reconfigure or similar commands <thomasd>maybe keep them somewhere else, so you can restore them afterwards <thomasd>(and don't run “guix gc” in the mean time :-) ) <nee``>thomasd: okay thanks for the help <efraim>Deleting the offending system generations seems to work for me <thomasd>efraim: good! I still think it could still be a bug, though. <thomasd>from my limited understanding of gnu/system.scm, <efraim>looks like the code for 'old-versions' could be improved <thomasd>(store (device #f)) could be legal, meaning that the code parsing that file should be able to handle it (which it is not). What is the (store (device ...)) in the newly configured generations? <nee``>thomasd: for me the latest one is still #f (generation 93 in my paste is the newest). Maybe because I never did a reconfigure with the (target) field in the old bootloader syntax and always sticked to the deprecated (device) field. <thomasd>nee: I meant after removing the offending generations and re-running “guix system reconfigure”, as efraim seems to have done. <thomasd>I suppose you should submit a bug if the issue persists. <sadiq[m]>I have 200 MiB bandwidth more for today. Would it be a good idea to install the bare minimal and add the desktop + services later? <thomasd>sadiq: I've done it like that twice. First install the minimal system, then upgrade from there. <jonsger>sadiq[m]: if you are spare of bandwith, I'm not sure if guix is a good idea at all :P <efraim>apteryx[m]: with your snippet for using bayfront and berlin as substitute urls, what did you have to add to teh top? (guix store)? <sadiq[m]>jonsger: Have a 2GiB/day limited. Wasted the rest trying to install guixSD with desktop <civodul>ACTION looks at the httpd CVE-2017-9798 <sadiq[m]>What is the approx size of master.tar.gz guix snapshot? <efraim>Not including the actual bootstrap binaries <efraim>I still have yet to reboot, but it looks like I have GuixSD installed on a btrfs raid 1 <civodul>efraim: "guix lint -c cve binutils" is... interesting :-) <efraim>Yeah, that was an incredibly long list <efraim>I think the ones I actually looked at were found with AFL <civodul>"guix lint -c cve" shows a lot of 2017 entries :-/ <efraim>there's a grub config option for 'search --set=root --label my-root' <efraim>Interesting, but doesn't answer my question of installing to multiple drives <civodul>efraim: installing to multiple drives? <efraim>Btrfs handles the raid between 3 disks, but if I install grub to sda and that disk dies I still have my data but no grub <efraim>Standard solution is to run 'sudo grub-install /dev/sd[abc]' when necessary <sadiq[m]>Hm... Installation went well. Now how can I do a system wide 'guix pull' (that would effect every user, and not just the one that invoked) <civodul>you mean run 'grub-install' 3 times, or pass it three targets? <civodul>sadiq[m]: 'guix pull' is always per-user, never system-wide <efraim>Apparently it wont take three taegets <efraim>Gentoo handbook says it only has to be run for other devices after a grub update or other large changes, like dual booting <sadiq[m]>civodul: what out deleting a user. And creating again after guix pull as root? <sadiq[m]>Sorry for the typos, my phone's autocorrect is too much aggressive <efraim>ln -s everyone's $HOME/.config/guix/latest to one person's? <civodul>sadiq[m]: sorry, i don't understand what you have in mind <sadiq[m]>civodul: create a new user with current user's profile <civodul>good question, there's no simple way to do that currently <civodul>but it'd be useful and not too hard to implement <sadiq[m]>Hm.. Well, then I'll redownload all those again. Not a big deal. :) <happy_gnu[m]>Did you remove the part of encryption from the config.scm? <apteryx[m]>efraim: I think our bootloader configuration should accept a list of devices; it would then install the bootloader on each of those. <efraim>It would be convenient, even if it doesn't come up often <efraim>Or a list of bootloaders might be better <efraim>For flashing uboot and installing grub for example <sadiq[m]>happy_gnu: reinstalled and fixed the issue :) <sneek>davexunit, you have 1 message. <sneek>davexunit, alezost says: hi, I sent a tiny patch for Haunt to your "davet at gnu.org" email a week ago, but now I have doubts if you still use this email :-) Should I re-send it to worcester.edu, or did you receive that message? thanks <davexunit>sneek: later tell alezost I got the email but I haven't been able to look at the issue yet, though I can say that where compiled guile modules are supposed to go has never been clear and I copied from other devs. <davexunit>that thinkpad x62 article above is very interesting. <davexunit>it includes a script for improving battery life on laptops that I might try out on GuixSD <efraim>I was thinking of combining some of the lines with {foo,bar} <sadiq[m]>guix package --list-generations says error: profile '/var/guix/profiles/per-user/sadiq/guix-profile' does not exist <bavier`>happy_gnu[m]: there is a section in the manual <bavier`>happy_gnu[m]: check the email archives. istr there was maybe a start at a package <efraim>lfam has a mostly working go-build-system and syncthing package <happy_gnu[m]>I meant "bug#27261: guix package -u should warn about non-existent packages " <happy_gnu[m]>ok so if lfam already has it maybe I should look for something else then <rekado>I’m having problems with my wee i686 server. <rekado>Our substitute availability for i686 is pretty poor :( <reed_>Hi all. When I install guix and run 'guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt' it says "installing for i386-pc platform" but I downloaded the x86_64 image. Is this the expected output? <happy_gnu[m]>the only dependency it has that is not in guix is playerctl <happy_gnu[m]>there are no mentions of playerctl or i3blocks on mailing list <happy_gnu[m]>And that campaign is by the Free Software Foundation Europe <stefanX2ovic>happy_gnu[m]: It can be good for the project if we can get GuixSD logo there. <happy_gnu[m]>stefanX2ovic: But isn't the GNU project under the Free Software Foundation which is a USA organization <happy_gnu[m]>If anything the Free Software Foundation should support but FSFE is already there.. <stefanX2ovic>happy_gnu[m]: It can be good for publicity if we can somehow get GuixSD logo there. <stefanX2ovic>happy_gnu[m]: Correct, but people from all over the wold can sing this open letter. <stefanX2ovic>happy_gnu[m]: Isn't GNOME project part of GNU and it has its logo on the site. Is there a reason why GuixSD logo can not be there as well? <bavier`>stefanX2ovic: it's the GNOME Foundation, rather than the project itself, that is pledging its support. <bavier`>stefanX2ovic: Guix has a "Guix Europe" foundation that would be in a better place to state such support <stefanX2ovic>bavier`: Thank you. This is question for its members then. <dustyweb>ispell-init-process: Error: The encoding "nil" is not known. This could also mean that the file "/gnu/store/af5mr9wz9d7rcsa0bwi82r9a98dmfx8p-aspell-0.60.6.1/lib/aspell-0.60/nil.cset" could not be opened for reading or does not exist. <happy_gnu[m]>I know is not a regular GNU/Linux approach to reboot, but it was because I mistakenly closed the virtual machine window <ng0>well, there's openSuSe on the list of supporting organizations… someone representing Guix Europe would have to contact publiccode.eu, that's all. ***LnL7 is now known as LnL
<stefanX2ovic>ng0: Great. Can we make this happen? Are the Guix Europe foundation members here? <ng0>it's usually better to use the mailinglist for anything which requires people to be present <stefanX2ovic>ng0: Does the Guix Europe foundation have an official mail address or web page? <ng0>there's a git for it <ng0>+ the news on the website. <joshuaBPMan>thanks ng0. I haven't got a clue how that works, but thanks. :) <ng0>I have some modification and old configs, but they are in a terrible state <joshuaBPMan>So is the link you sent me your nginx service configuration? <ng0>no, the link I sent is the bayfront.guixsd.org one <ng0>and there's a directory "nginx" <ng0>which is used by the system config <joshuaBPMan>that's probably the easiest way to get set up and running. <joshuaBPMan>ok... (nginx-service #:config-file "/etc/nginx/nginx.conf") is not working <joshuaBPMan>i've got "web" in my use-service-modules and use-package-modules sections... <joshuaBPMan>/etc/gnome-awesome.scm:163:18: /etc/gnome-awesome.scm:163:18: Unbound variable: nginx-service <ng0>I'm not the best person to ask for advice. I have to leave soon. But others might help. <cbaines>joshuaBPMan, the procedure nginx-service was recently removed <cbaines>you may need to switch to doing something like (service nginx-service-type ...) <joshuaBPMan>cbaines: ok. Perhaps I'm reading outdated documentation. <joshuaBPMan>cbaines: also do you know why it was removed? It seems a bit odd to remove that procedure. There's still a dovecot-service, dico-service, mysql-service procedures... <cbaines>joshuaBPMan, I was the one who removed it, because I think that the new style is preferable, now that a <service-type> can have a default value <cbaines>at some point it would be good if the services were a bit more consistent <cbaines>as you can see, that hasn't happened yet <cbaines>apologies if its caused some confusion <civodul`>so, what freedom-respecting single-board computer would you recommend these days? <ng0>maybe in the next generation or the one after that, depending on what you need the eoma68 for <rekado>eoma68 still isn’t ready for shipping. November maybe. <apteryx[m]>There's also a nice power9 board in pre-orders from Raptor Engineering (Talos II), although this is quite an investment (5000 USD for a complete desktop) <rekado>(but it looks like luke is busy arguing on mailing lists, so maybe it won’t happen this year) <civodul`>ok, but among the cheap ARM things available today? :-) <civodul`>rekado: re luke, that was also my impression :-) <ng0>apteryx[m]: that's not a single-board computer, the talos ii ;) <rekado>davexunit: have you tried the me_cleaner scripts with your x220? <rekado>davexunit: I’m looking for a replacement for my shattered x200s :-/ <joshuaBPMan>cbaines: I'm sorry if I came across as rude. I was just confused. So the new style is (service <service-name> ...) ? <apteryx[m]>ng0: Oh, i failed to read single board as a SOC based board, sorry ;) <cbaines>joshuaBPMan, no offence taken, its a good question <efraim>lima drivers have stalled, and mali shows no interest in FOSS drivers <cbaines>I prefer that style, but it's not defacto <civodul`>efraim: what about Beagle Bone, how is it? <efraim>i don't have one, but I hear they only have 512MiB of ram <ng0>I was able to compile coreboot on it until recently (system got too old) <cbaines>I started using it when writing services, as it's simpler. The implementation of procedures like the now removed nginx-service are often very verbose, but all they do is wrap the service configuration with defaults <ng0>efraim: do you think the rock64 would make a decent video streaming device (for kodi and webbrowser streams etc)? <efraim>right now I stream from a 1st gen RPi with 256MB of ram, so I get the impression that if it doesn't need to transcode anything then just about any device should be ok <jonsger>civodul`: is that hifive thing to slow? risc-v is open hardware, I don't know how it stands with firmware/drivers <jonsger>but for me it's a really interesting thing to watch <civodul`>jonsger: it does look nice, but i was looking for something already mature and that can run Guix <jonsger>okay. 16kB RAM seems to be little to less for Guile... :) <civodul`>efraim: the RPi3 has problems with the video drivers and boot firmware, is that right? <Apteryx>civodul`: might be a silly thing to say, but maybe some older phone that is compatible with Replicant could be interesting? <efraim>civodul`: from what I've heard, yes <Apteryx>One with at least 2 GB of RAM if possible (for guix pull ;) <ng0>good (the progress) :) <jonsger>Members of riscv foundation: AMD, Nvidia, IBM, Qualcomm, Samsung, Mediatek :P Do they not trusting in {PowerPC, x86, ARM}... <efraim>civodul: the cubietruck might be an interesting option, a little older but it has mainline linux support <Apteryx>civodul: thanks for your efforts in cornering the problem :) <efraim>seems arbian has a couple of boards with mostly complete mainline support, the odroid xu4, tinkerboard <efraim>gdk-pixbuf replacements are define-public on purpose? <efraim>ACTION is about to head off to bed <nee``>sneek: later tell thomasd I moved the system links like you said and reconfigure worked now. Thank you! <nee``>sneek: later tell thomasd in the new parameters file (store (device ...)) is still #f <bavier`>happy_gnu[m]: the release archive url is fine <mray_web>anybody using riot here? I though #freenode_#guix:matrix.org should make me join here.... <mray_web>happy_gnu[m]: i'm running the native desktop app, but use my own server <mray_web>happy_gnu[m]: what is your matrix room id for this room? <mray_web>to ask my actual question: when will there be an easy option to try guix sd? (like live USB)?! <bavier`>mray_web: there is an x86_64 vm that you can try out in qemu