<marusich>buenouanq, the answer to your question about whether running something as root using su is "the same" as running something as root using sudo depends on what you mean by "the same as". <marusich>In both cases, the process you run will run as root, so it is "the same" in that sense. <marusich>However, the environment (e.g., the PATH variable, and other environment variables) might be (and frequently will be) different, so in that sense it is not "the same". <buenouanq>marusich: thank you - Does this mean that you can run $ sudo system reconfigure .../config.scm and expect it to work or not? <marusich>However, guix pull will only work if the home directory is set correctly (e.g., via "sudo -H") <marusich>On some systems, like GuixSD, the system policy appears to already be configured to make it so that sudo will set the home directory like that. <marusich>However, on some systems, like Ubuntu, that is NOT the default, which can lead to unexpected reesults. <marusich>namely, that guix pull will update the user's (non-root) guix symlinks, and change their ownership to root, which is not good <marusich>There are probably ways we could prevent that accident from occurring though...like, maybe check to make sure that the directory in which guix pull wants to update the symlink, is actually owned by the user that we expect it is owned by. <marusich>But in any case, on Ubuntu, at least the version I use, I have to run "sudo -H guix pull" explicitly to ensure that "guix pull" updates the symlink in root's home directory. <buenouanq>yeah, those sort of potential inconsistencies have lead me to work under the assumption that using sudo with guix is just not a good idea <marusich>Locales also don't work so well with sudo, unles you do something to set up the relevant environment variables. <marusich>So, you'll get complaints from the system about locales if you run "sudo guix", even though the behavior of the program will work. <marusich>With the exception of that "guix pull" symlink problem I mentioned earlier, these issues are (so far, based on what I've seen) benign. <marusich>And, you can in theory (I think) configure the sudo policies to ensure that certain environment variables (such as HOME) are set up correctly; I just haven't gone that far down the rabbit hole on my own Ubuntu system. <marusich>In any case, specifically with regard to "guix system reconfigure," running it as root by using sudo is totally fine - it's what I do. It works also if you run it from a root shell (e.g. after using su). <marusich>AFAIK it doesn't suffer from the same "gotcha" that I described for "guix pull", since the symlinks it updates are not determined from environment variables. <marusich>buenouanq, so i guess the answer to your question of "is it the same?" is "the process runs as root in either case, but the environment might be different." <marusich>Nowadays many people (myself included) consider it more secure to run commands using sudo, if they must be run as root, so Guix ought to work with sudo just fine. <marusich>Do you mean, how big should the closure of the entire system be? <happy_gnu[m]>I ask because I did a 15gb disk image for the virtual machine <marusich>the total closure size of my system is 3 GiB <marusich>As reported by guix size $(readlink /run/current-system) <marusich>The total closure of my profile is 6.4 GiB <marusich>guix size $(readlink -f ~/.guix-profile) <marusich>did you run the image and then do stuff inside the system? <happy_gnu[m]>but I think it is not actually 15gb until you use them, is more like a limit <marusich>I'm afraid I don't understand precisely what you're doing... There's an image that was 2 GiB. What was that image? The installer image? <happy_gnu[m]>to do that you have to create a disk image that will hold the system <marusich>So, how did you create that 2 GiB image? <marusich>So the image that was small but is now large is the one which corresponds to "guixsd.img" from step 2 of that page, yes? <happy_gnu[m]>I was checking it because I have no idea how long does it take to install guixsd <marusich>Just out of curiosity, did you run the exact command "qemu-img create -f qcow2 guixsd.img 5G"? <marusich>I ask because I thought that if you did that, you would only have 5 GiB to work with in the disk image. <happy_gnu[m]>I gave 3gb to swap space and 12 to the disk when doing the partitions <marusich>So, what's probably happening is that the derivations that must be built in order to produce the system are probably just taking up extra space <happy_gnu[m]>thats why I am a little worried I will run out of space :/ <marusich>Just because, for example, my system's closure is 3G, doesn't mean that the closure of its derivation is 3 G. <happy_gnu[m]>after it finish I will set up my first home server with an old pc and guixSD <happy_gnu[m]>I will install privoxy and I will try to package stuff for guix <marusich>Yes, you can GC the dead paths afterwords, if you wish, to reduce the total size of the used space (although I'm not sure if that will reduce the size of the disk image -that depends on whether or not the qcow2 format will "shrink" when the used space goes down ) <marusich>I'm computing the size of the derivation which built my current system (using guix size)...it's not done yet. <marusich>The closure of the derivation that builds the system is the closure of everything required to build the system...which is definitely going to be larger than the result (the 3 GiB system). <marusich>I use GuixSD on one laptop, and less commonly I use Guix on Ubuntu. <happy_gnu[m]>how long should I expect installation of guixSD to take? <marusich>I would expect it to take no more than about 8 hours on my laptop. If it doesn't make progress in 24 hours, I'd be concerned. <marusich>It ought to go pretty quickly though, if you're using substitutes. <marusich>Of course, it also enables you to build it when substitutes are not available, but it'll be slower. <happy_gnu[m]>x-build-gcc-5.4.0.drv-0/build/./gcc -nostdinc++ -L/tmp/guix-build-gcc-5.4.0.drv-0/build/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/libstdc++- <marusich>Building the software takes muuuuuuch longer. Instead of minutes, it takes hours. <marusich>As long as it's not hanging there, doing nothing, it's probably making good progress. <happy_gnu[m]>I read qemu documentation to gave it the best power possible. Is going really fast now <marusich>You might want to make sure you have virtualization support configured in your BIOS or equivalent <marusich>Then that's about all you can do. I'd just wait a few hours and check back on it. <happy_gnu[m]>that way I could easily edit files in my emacs and just send them via ssh <marusich>I gotta run, but I wish you luck! Have fun ^^ <happy_gnu[m]>kind of stupid doing the virtual machine when I could have done that from the beggining <lfam>I want to pass the list of inputs using a particular build system from the host side to the build side, where the list can be used to set up an environment variable. <lfam>I've put it in the build-side part of the build system (guix build-system go) <lfam>I think I need to run the procedure in the Go build system's (lower) <happy_gnu[m]>I don't know much but it looks to me like it finished building GCC <Elronnd>I haven't looked into guix yet, just joined this channel as a reminder to look at it later <Elronnd>what's the difference between guix and guixsd? <happy_gnu[m]>Elronnd: Parabola is arch linux but only with free software <happy_gnu[m]>Guix is a package manager, you can install software with it, is very easy to use. Is secure because it has reproducible builds <Elronnd>so there are guix repositories for arch linux? <happy_gnu[m]>You can install software for users without the need for using sudo <happy_gnu[m]>and is very easy to have multiple versions of packages without conflicts <Elronnd>that's one thing I don't like about arch <happy_gnu[m]>so in arch sometimes you upgrade a package but this breaks a dependency or something <Elronnd>because when stuff breaks, which isn't often, you can't downgrade <happy_gnu[m]>you just change a generation and bam everything is like it was before <Elronnd>does it build from source or download binaries? <happy_gnu[m]>But there is also GuixSD, is a distribution like arch that uses Guix as its package manager <Elronnd>ACTION downloads virtualbox to try with guix <Elronnd>I saw it was extensible with scheme, is it written in scheme? <buenouanq>I'm not sure, but I sort of think it might be. <happy_gnu[m]>as you can see in one file you install your Desktop Enviroment or Window Manager of choise <Elronnd>is there a process for becoming a maintainer for guix packages? <Elronnd>because there are probably a few -- at least one -- packages that I use that probably aren't in repos <Elronnd>are there nonfree repos for guix? I kind of need gpu drivers which are kind of nonfree <Elronnd>I can probably install them manually with packages from other distros <Elronnd>my internet is shit so the iso is taking forever to download. But it's coming <Elronnd>guixsd-usb-install-0.13.0.x86_64-linux.xz <Elronnd>is there an advantage to using that? <happy_gnu[m]>Elronnd: to be honest I have no idea I am kinda new too :/ <Elronnd>ACTION shrugs. Vbox is fancy. It boots regular ISOs. It'll figure it out <Elronnd>those instructions aren't really interesting <Elronnd>it literally just says use qemu normally <Elronnd>there aren't any special settings for guixsd <Elronnd>oh, also I'm pretty sure I'll need nonfree drivers for wifi <Elronnd>how will I install those without already having wifi to download them with? <happy_gnu[m]>well Elronnd you can always install guix on arch and then create a package for the non free drivers <happy_gnu[m]>good luck Elronnd I hope you don't have problems with the drivers :/ <Elronnd>hmmm. I'm pretty sure wifi worked on opensuse, which is fanatic about opensource <Elronnd>"Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers for Linux, or iwlwifi, which provides official, *Open* support for wireless Intel adapters." <niebie>I use a super lowend think pad which had working wifi with fedora, but not working with GuixSD. <niebie>It has to do with using the linux libre kernel <niebie>which removes all of the firmware blobs <niebie>the driver can be free software, but if there are binary blobs for the firmware it is not supported <Elronnd>"Could not get the storage format of the medium '/home/elronnd/Downloads/guixsd-usb-install-0.13.0.x86_64-linux' (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)." <niebie>that happens for me too actually <niebie>haven't installed it in a vm before <Elronnd>qemu-img convert -O vmdk gnu-usb-install-0.7.system gnu-install-0.7.system.vmdk <Elronnd>You have to convert it to vdi format with qemu-img, and then do add *hard disc* instead of add optical media <Elronnd>"stty: 'standard input': Input/Output error" <niebie>I just got to that same point on my end too <niebie>The prompt is still there though <niebie>so you should be in a root shell <Elronnd>I have a root shell but nothing happens when I type <Elronnd>I'm downloading the vm image now, maybe that'll work better <niebie>thats interesting - i have the same error you wrote but pressing enter gives me the prompt, and programs i would expect to be there are there <Elronnd>when I move the mouse around, the cursor (not the mouse cursor, the block cursor) moves around the screen <Elronnd>when I click and drag, text is selected <Elronnd>that's about the extent of my interaction with it <niebie>out of curiosity, what is your editor of choice? since this is based on a scheme, i'm pretty sure most of us lean emacs <niebie>there is a very thin emacs implementation called zile that is deployed with the image <niebie>i have nothing against vim, just curious. <niebie>Have you tried out the vim layers in emacs before? <Elronnd>I already ifconfig enp0s3 up and lo up <Elronnd>it's a vm so it should automagically work, no? <niebie>i was just doing that when i needed to reattach my vdi to it <niebie>and ya it should in my experience just work (tm) <niebie>i assume you did dhclient enp0s3? <niebie>because pinging gnu.org works for me <Elronnd>when I go to settings->network, I see "Adapter type: Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (numberEM)" <Elronnd>ACTION wonders what partitions to make <Elronnd>but anyway, don't I need a boot partition? <niebie>you are right - asking because you will want to think about what the os definition looks like <niebie>let me grab my guixsd machine and look at my partitions <Elronnd>what fs type do I make the boot part? <niebie>my setup (probably not the best, but working) just threw one ext4 partition at it <Elronnd>niebie: do reproducible builds mean that I can build some packages from source and others I can download binaries <Elronnd>niebie: is it "linux root" or "linux filesystem"? <niebie>in theory for the same hardware, local builds and remote builds will be binary identical <Elronnd>(well, I'm using cfdisk, but same thing) <Elronnd>will it have an effect if I change build flags so stuff I build from source has -march=native -mtune=native? That is, if I build a library with those flags, will packages using those libraries that I download binaries of work? <niebie>what i do for packages not in the guix archives is setup local package definitions and build them locally <niebie>i haven't gotten tar ball binaries working due to the gnu c lib's linker <niebie>where would you plan on installing the binaries to get guix's ld to find them? <niebie>because the gnu store is a read only filesystem <niebie>only the OS daemons can modify it <niebie>you probably just have to play with it to get the feel for it - 'private' packages that are built locally is the 'correct' way to install software <niebie>basically you create package definitions for your particular software and throw them in a particular location governed by an environment variable, then it can download the source from a git repository and go through build steps. <niebie>I'm just a casual user really, I can't hack the internals yet so I am not going to be a definitive source of information for you <Elronnd>I'm getting complaints that mapped-devices is unbound <niebie>you didn't customize the os image at all <Elronnd>but that's not important I'll get my .xinitrc sorted out later <Elronnd>I commented out the (list (mapped-device block because I don't use LUKs <Elronnd>Apparently I need it so what do I set type to? <niebie>my working config doesn't have it set <niebie>straight from booloader to file-systems <Elronnd>I get this error: "guix system: error: failed to load '/mnt/etc/config.scm'" <niebie>you probably dropped a paren - i would ask you to paste it but that might be hard at this point for you <Elronnd>"/mnt/etc/config.scm:16:14: /mnt/etc/config.scm:16:14: In procedure module-lookup: Unbound variable: mapped-devices" <niebie>you didn't delete the dependencies <niebie>it has (dependencies mapped-devices) <Elronnd>can I use just the certs but not the gnome? <Elronnd>methinks I want minimal-desktop instead of desktop <niebie>thats pretty much what i use personally <Elronnd>bare-bones.scm looks much more reasonable <niebie>you should be able to add to the lightweight-desktop.scm the ability to use fvwm, since it is packaged with guix already btw <Elronnd>"guix system: error: primary group 'elronnd' of user 'elronnd' is undeclared" <buenouanq>you could even get rid of that user if you wanted <Elronnd>yeah but making a user myself is so annoying <Elronnd>I can never remember all the stuffs I have to create <Elronnd>I just made the primary group "users", I'll change it later <cbaines>Looking up the hash of something (using query-path-info) put in to the store (using local-file) gives a different answer to calling guix hash on it, any ideas? <janneke>cbaines: obviously the data fed to the hash function is different, or the hash function used is different <efraim>sneek: later tell ng0 I know enlightenment has `freqset` that needs setuid permissions, were there other ones from enlightenment? <ng0>if a screensaver needs suid, should we recommend to add it to the screensaver-service thing we have (no idea if this is pam or suid enabled, didn't read it in a while!) or make a service which extends on this? <sneek>Welcome back ng0, you have 1 message. <sneek>ng0, efraim says: I know enlightenment has `freqset` that needs setuid permissions, were there other ones from enlightenment? <ng0>I didn't look into enlightenment in a while <ng0>I've been working on Mate as priority package <ng0>for context, mate-screensaver needs suid for lock screen <ng0>if you don't provide it you can only "hard reset" to get out ;) <ng0>are you writing an "enlightenment" service? <brendyn>is there a way to subtract services from %desktop-services in my system configuration? <ng0>well I have still a couple of minutes, I can boot into E. <efraim>brendyn: like with %modify-phases, you can have (modify-services %desktop services (remove foo)...) <efraim>I don't have a full example, I haven't done one yet <brendyn>another think i'd like to do is add all the packages from my main user into the system-wide packages <ng0>imo we also need to adjust the welcome dialogue <efraim>debian is still on 0.17.6 :/ so I haven't actually seen a modern boot-up of enlightenment in forever <brendyn>I never understood englightenment. seems so over rated <ng0>language, not configurable ("System default") which is okay. Keyboard shows nothing. Profile is okay (works). Maybe write an Networkmanager and/or Wicd dialogue part and contribute it upstream, and/or skip the "Install/enable Connman" step. Maybe disable the Update checking (will probably only work for user-installed addons?) step. <ng0>I just went through the initial first-time dialogue <ng0>It's easier to remember this with a bug, right? I'll send an email <efraim>its also how I remember the python-waf and guix-environment bug that i've been thinking about for months <ng0>and the first error message greeting me is the cpufreq one <ng0>What didn't work for my new Mate series in work so far is the icon theme package, the caja-extensions and some other thing I forgot about. And the screensaver is half-way working <ng0>a simple mate meta-package without gnome in the profile lacks many icons... (for example emacs or icecat) <ng0>where are thos included, adwaita? <ng0>oh and user-guide with yelp is another puzzle <ng0>screensaver on its own works ***jonsger1 is now known as jonsger
<ng0>just the lock screen feature doesn't, but they messaged this in the build process <ng0>and I don't understand "mate-netbook" to make a statement of wether it works or it doesn't works <efraim>probably needs adawaita for icons <ng0>well I packages mate-netbook successfully <ng0>just the working and integration part, I need to read their documentation ;) <ng0>"change window behavior" so far I have no option for that <ng0>I don't have mate-polkit packaged so far and 3 or 5 other applications. So maybe things just start working after thta <ng0>for the extensions I need to look at the code <brendyn>still cant figure this out. modify-services doesn't seem to offer a way to delete items <ng0>There's a dropbox extension for (caja?) mate. Is my decision right to not package it for the main repository? I'm not sure how Dropbox is viewed in terms of freedom and licensing, I have never used dropbox. <efraim>debian puts caja-dropbox in non-free <slim404>when I try to configure slim from french keyboard I get an error : service « xorg-server » provided more than once <ng0>yuk. I can't clean guix (and can't enter an environment or run any of my automation scripts to do this)… what was the trick you used efraim, manually remove the .go files? <slim404>I guess it's provided by #desktop-services, but it used to work <efraim>ng0: rm gnu/s*/*go , for the most recent services changes <slim404>anybody has configured french keyboard for slim display manager? <ng0>afaik it will not work due to the bug which needs to be fixed. of course if you can document what you do to fix it, it will help <ng0>what did work before? having a french layout in SLIM? <mbuf>is it possible to create a meta-group of packages in Guix? something like a Fedora spin <ng0>yes, that's waht we do with Gnome and Mate for example <slim404>ng0: thanks. yes, the stance configuring SLIM in my config.scm did work <ng0>would you mind sharing it? I was never able to use anything other than en_US <ng0>do we have a language selector for SLIM I didn't notice? <ng0>back when I reported the bug there was nothing to resolve this with <slim404>this stance : (slim-service #:startx (xorg-start-command #:configuration-file (xorg-configuration-file #:extra-config '("Option \\"XkbLayout\\" \\"fr\\"\\n")))) <ng0>if it's just that and you can make it work again and share the update, the resolution for SLIM would be so easy <slim404>I'm new to guix, guile and scheme in general. I'll do my best <ng0>search for "SLIM" on the "guix" debbugs.gnu.org to report what you have then, from what I remember it might help <slim404>here's my full service stance (services (cons* (console-keymap-service "fr") <ng0>I think it's not normal that Icecat without any prior configuration on the system defaults to Google as a search engine... <ng0>About my gnunet module patches, the ones which add the full GNUtls we need. Should I rebase them on core-updates, or just leave them waiting? <thomassgn>anyone know how to access or enter a container created with 'guix system container'? <cbaines>thomassgn, the guix container exec command can be used to run a command in a container <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], when it didn't boot, was there an error message? <happy_gnu[m]>and mounted the one that is supposed to be my virtual hard drive <cbaines>do you have previous generations of the system that you could try booting? <happy_gnu[m]>but I can't find everything that should had been installed <happy_gnu[m]>cbaines: what is that? guix generations? oh no I was installing guixSD on a virtual machine for the first time <cbaines>ok, so has the system ever booted successfully? <happy_gnu[m]>It could not find a few packages so it asked me to pass --fallback <cbaines>out of interest, what virtual machine software/hosting are you using? <happy_gnu[m]>I turned of the VM and booted the one that was created for the installation <cbaines>Do you know about the QEMU image that is available? <happy_gnu[m]>and I was able to mount the partition I did during the installation for root <cbaines>Without more information, it's hard to know <cbaines>I'd suggest continuing with the installation process where it makes sense to do so <happy_gnu[m]>cbaines: well it makes sense to me because I want to learn to install guix <cbaines>I meant continue from whatever step is relevant <cbaines>It sounds like you need to start from the "Proceeding with the Installation" section, so running: herd start cow-store /mnt <cbaines>You've still got the configuration file, so you don't have to do anything with that <cbaines>The next step is to run guix system init <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], hopefully there might be more binary substitutes available now <cbaines>my other suggestion would be to use a more minimal configuration for the system, if that is possible <cbaines>you can always reconfigure after the installation to add more packages/service <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], there is also a --dry-run option to guix system, and I think that will tell you what it would need to compile locally, if anything <happy_gnu[m]>I am waiting a little for it to see what will it install <pksadiq>is guix okayish for day to day use? (I develop gtk+ apps, and that's all is what I need) <pksadiq>and I would like to know GNOME 3.26 status <pksadiq>cbaines: No crashes or data loses ever? Uptime of a month with no severe issues? <pksadiq>happy_gnu[m]: I saw there. Everything GNOME is at 3.24. I wish to know if there is any on going effort to porting it to 3.26 <cbaines>pksadiq, no data losses, and I have two servers that haven't had uptime issues <cbaines>I've been having some problems lately with the MySQL service, but that is a known issue (now at least) <pksadiq>cbaines: wow. good to know. I'm a GNOME contributer (mostly QA), and I was wishing to have a switch. I prefer to use GNU for day to day use. :) <pksadiq>I don't care about MySql (or MariadB). I need browsing (firefox mostly, and chromium occassionaly) evolution package (and related services), tracker, gnome-online-minors, and the gnome-shell to be working fine <pksadiq>I don't care if wayland is supported or not. <cbaines>You should look in to each of those further, e.g. Guix provides icecat currently, and doesn't have a package for firefox <cbaines>there is a patch for chromium, but it hasn't been merged yet <cbaines>I'm not sure about tracker and gnome-online-mirrors <happy_gnu[m]>pksadiq: GuixSD is a distribution that follows the Free Software Foundation guidelines for Distributions <pksadiq>icecat is okay for me (I don't use any non-free extensions, all I use is ublock origin, and keysnail) <cbaines>gnome-shell works fine, apart from that annoying issue where you drag a window in the overview and it crashes (but you can fix that if you create some file somewhere) <ng0>chromium could be merged… efraim reported it builds, last core-updates (the ones active before chromium) have been merged with master so the core-updates mentioned in there is now ok <pksadiq>I got disconnected. did I miss anything? <ng0>no idea, but the online log could know <ng0>it is chromium with patches. <pksadiq>one more question. Is there an equivalent of 'apt-get build-dep' in guix? <ng0>happy_gnu[m]: I think one can only loose with names, or satisfy one side. I named something I work on 'libremoon' :D <ng0> but I think I need to drop the moon <ng0>still has too much of the old name <happy_gnu[m]>grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged. <happy_gnu[m]>grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding. <happy_gnu[m]>guix system: error: failed to install GRUB on device '/dev/sda1' <happy_gnu[m]>ok so apparently the problem is that grub is being installed to /dev/sda1 <ng0>can you upload the config somewhere or show us the part for grub? <efraim>pksadiq: GNOME updates are normally done by someone who is actually running gnome and can reconfigure their system using updated versions of all the packages and reports back that everything is working well <pksadiq>Is there an equivalent of dnsutils (I need dig, and nslookup)? <happy_gnu[m]>I did (bootloader (grub-configuration (device "/dev/sda1"))) <efraim>within the past 24 hours we got the meson-build-system merged in, so now its up to someone to test out the newer version <pksadiq>efraim: hm.. Planning to insall guixSD, checking if I have enough packages. Shall be using GNOME shell. <ng0>GNOME is still missing some modules/packages here. it's not a full GNOME but it's more than basic. We don't have Evolution for example. I've come up with a basic construction-site state pa kcage for it, but haven't debugged the build <ng0>you could directly search in the git repository for the software you need? <ng0>to be precise: haven't come to a state where I have a build to debug ;) <ng0>or at least haven't looked into it for a while <pksadiq>Is there an equivalent to 'apt-get build-dep' command in guix (a command that will pull in all the build dependecies of some package) <happy_gnu[m]>I will try to look for other packages more begginer friendly <ng0>well it's easy. it's just that I haven't been bothered enough to fix whatever the bug was <ng0>something with python 2nd level options <pksadiq>or is it like a package also includes it developement headers? <ng0>can't really use a webbrowser here right now to paste the bug <ng0>actually, happy_gnu[m] look at january 2017 of the guix-devel list, thread "packaging the meta-searchenging searx fails at python-requests[socks]". I'm waiting for system updates to finish, then I can switch the branch and write an email with the patch in it. <ng0>the whole packages are in guile <ng0>GLSA 201709-02 says we should update binutils to 2.28.1 <efraim>looks like its not public yet on their site <efraim>I also don't remember the release announcement having anything about it being a security update <ng0>I get it via mail, just got in <ng0>well. okay then. I'm supposed to work on other things anyway <ng0>you must be missing something for i3wm <ng0>(which is why we probably should have a service or meta-package even for small DMs) <ng0>let me look at my configs if I had one with i3wm <ng0>as far as I see it you have everything <ng0>linux-4.14 will drop the in-tree firmware blobs in 'firmware/' (drop the entire directory). <ng0>not all documentation (yelp help) in Mate is giving errors :) I've got mate-calc covered <ng0>and the rest now works aswell :) <ng0>so it was juts acting strange in qemu before <ng0>guix package -i setxkbmap ; setxkbmap THING <ng0>or whatever your WM/DE provides <ng0>that's for X11, not tty <Elronnd>when I run guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt, stuff seems to work until grub is run <Elronnd>first, it says installing for i386-pc, which I'm not sure why ybecause I'm on 64-bit <Elronnd>but more importantly it complains about blocklists and refuses to continue <ng0>happy_gnu[m]: just in your user profile is enough <Gamayun>Hm, my root user's guix profile seems to be b0rken... Its bin folder only contains wget. <Gamayun>I can get by with 'sudo -E' for now, but i wonder what's up with it... <efraim>ERROR: replacement length differs from the original length "h9nqlf0c82c1sds4yzs60k7pm4f37si2-binutils-2.28" "wl5dg3dnqvk2v2ahh5iadnv1s34rsbb6-binutils-2.28.1" <sadiq[m]>When installing guixSD why it is compiling something instead of downloading binary from internet? <cbaines>sadiq[m], probably because it couldn't find a binary to download <oriansj>sadiq[m]: because you didn't authorize binary substitutes guix archive --authorize < "$(find /gnu/ -name 'hydra.gnu.org.pub' -print 2> /dev/null)" <cbaines>oriansj, I think binary substitutes from hydra are trusted by default in the installation image <sadiq[m]>It is a system with an atom processor. Generating too much heat and wasting too much time <cbaines>sadiq[m], do you know what its building? <sadiq[m]>I didn't see the beginning. It has paths like /devices, /base /obj, /psi, etc. Is it the kernel? <cbaines>Sometimes if you spot the /tmp/... path, that can have the name of the package in it <cbaines>that is another build farm, and using two might help <sadiq[m]>Hm.. Shall try that. I did a Ctrl+c. Is it okay to continue the last command. Will it corrupt my installation? <cbaines>sadiq[m], the installation is pretty transactional, stopping and restarting should be ok <sadiq[m]>Hm.. It is building ghostscript. I wish there is some web browser (or emacs) by default in installation image <efraim>and you can always add whatever you want with `guix package -i foo' <ng0>you could run guix package --install lynx or 'links' <ng0>or as I found out recently: start kodi and select power off ;) <happy_gnu[m]>guix system: error: service 'networking' provided more than once <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], the dhcp-client-service provides networking <cbaines>if you are using it as a desktop machine, you're using network-manager by default, so remove dhcp-client-service <Elronnd>I know vbox has port forwarding, but I haven't really used qemu <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], the ssh configuration looks fine <cbaines>and fixing that networking issue should get you one step closer to reconfiguring <janneke>why doesn't this build current-guix from git?: guix build guix@0.13.0-6.a9468b4+ <oriansj>janneke: did you know one of the major problems of using hashes for minor version numbers is that statistically you have a 50% of mistaking a new build for an old one and a 1 in 2^128 chance of having a hash value that causes the build it ignore all new releases until a new major release number <civodul>janneke: because current-guix is computed on demand (it's a procedure) <oriansj>hence version 1.2.0-$(date)-$(hash) ends up saving a bunch of trouble <janneke>civodul: we were thinking on #bootstrappable if we couldn't speed-up guix pull by simply installing a freshly built (nightly?) guix package <janneke>produce a package description with right version and hash for guix at the user's side and download that first <janneke>civodul: my troubles with cuirrass were probably caused by juggling different guix git repos <efraim>do we have a non-GuixSD example config for running a cuirass service? <ng0>\\o/ only 2 more applications and furthermore debug 2 packages I already finished, and I have all of MATE. <cbaines>joshuaBPMan, its the evening for me :) <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], if you want to fully switch to the new system generation, then yes, restarting is the way to do that <cbaines>however, herd start ssh-daemon is probably enough to get the ssh service working, as you just added it <happy_gnu[m]>qemu-system-x86_64 -m 4096 -cpu host -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22 -net nic,model=virtio -boot menu=on guixsd.img -enable-kvm <cbaines>I think you may need to tweak the ports <cbaines>if I remember correctly, you had ssh configured to listen on port 2222 <cbaines>but I think your qemu command forwards port 2222 on the host to 22 on the guest, whereas ssh is listening on 2222 on the guest <happy_gnu[m]>ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host <happy_gnu[m]>my only problem now is that it does not accept my password :/ <cbaines>it could be a keyboard layout issue? <happy_gnu[m]>does not matter I logged with "happy" and then changed to root <joshuaBPMan>happy_gnu[m]: I have the same issue. setxkbmap dvorak <ng0>I think it's 5 more packages missing, but I think I can do them until next weekend. Should be finished with Mate until end of the month unless I encounter some serious issues, and then just solve the search paths for the caja extensions and plugins <ng0>engrampa works, eye of mate works,.. <ng0>setxkbmap de-latin1 sets the layout to 'de-latin1' <ng0>no one can really help with just "it did not work" :) <joshuaBPMan>happy_gnu[m]: you need to install setxkbmap with guix package -i setxkbmap <joshuaBPMan>then after you log into i3, you can run "setxkbmap <layout>" <joshuaBPMan>and I actually something like that config file that you just pasted before...I couldn't get guix to reconfigure properly... <joshuaBPMan>but I'll go ahead and copy that config again and try it again later... <joshuaBPMan>If someone finished the port of another login manager (I forget which one), then this may not be such an issue anymore. <janneke>oops, git send-email did not play nice with guix-patches as I expected...sorry! <joshuaBPMan>janneke: I'm actually having some issues with when I save guix buffers. I'm somehow not indenting properly... <civodul>janneke: we could do something like that, although in practice build farms wouldn't be fast enough <civodul>that is, you would have substitutes all the time <happy_gnu[m]>I just put exec_always setxkbmap -layout es -variant dvorak <janneke>civodul: yes, we would need a dedicated job for that, or use "nightlies"...all not trivial i guess <mouldysa1>What is the best way for me to start a user shepherd daemon when i log in? Would putting it in my .profile do? or is there a better way <Elronnd>I tried xorg, Xorg, X11, x11, X, and x, and it says unknown package for all of them <joshuaBPMan>unless you are a poweruser of guixSD, you probably don't ever need to run something like "guix package -i xorg" <joshuaBPMan>but give me just a second and I'll try to give you a better answer. <cbaines>Elronnd, but you probably want to add the slim service to your GuixSD system? <cbaines>slim is a login manager, like the gdm, kdm, lightdm, ... <cbaines>are you intending to use Gnome, or something else? <ng0>oops. next Mate patches will be as much patches as the last one :/ <Elronnd>I've been planning on getting something like that running at some point, but startx works fine <joshuaBPMan>if you want to run startx, then you will have to install X. <joshuaBPMan>aka my non-root user (joshua) does not have X installed. <joshuaBPMan>I believe that means that X is running/is started by root. <Elronnd>is there no such thing as, like, global package installations? <joshuaBPMan>But I don't think you really WANT to install xorg-server on your non-root user profile. <joshuaBPMan>if you want to use startx, you will probably have to. <joshuaBPMan>BUT if you're ok with using slim, then don't bother with it. <joshuaBPMan>just use the default desktop.scm config file and run guix system reconfigure desktop.scm <joshuaBPMan>Then x will be installed for you. X will be installed in your root profile. <Elronnd>because desktop.scm had a bunch of unnecessary shenanigans that were difficult to remove <joshuaBPMan>Elronnd: ok. That's fine I suppose. If you're an Arch user I understand. :) <joshuaBPMan>I actually dual boot between arch and guixSD, but I prefer to just use desktop.scm. <Elronnd>is there some guide or tutorial somewhere of how to use guix? <Elronnd>joshuaBPMan: I'm in a vm right now, actually <Elronnd>joshuaBPMan: well, guixsd is in the vm. IRC client is outside the vm <Elronnd>well, technically the irc client is on my vps, which is actually a freebsd vm. But <joshuaBPMan>Elronnd: there is no official guix wiki. The guix developers would rather have users contribute to the official info documentation. <Elronnd>how do I change a password? There's no 'passwd' command and guix package -i passwd returns nothing <cbaines>Elronnd, I think passwd is in the shadow package <cbaines>again, guix package -s passwd is your friend <cbaines>I also do find /gnu/store -name passwd when I'm looking for things sometimes <cbaines>someday there will probably be a precomputed index of what packages have what things, which will be nice :) <Elronnd>how do I install something globally? <joshuaBPMan>then run passwd <non-root user name> to set the non-root password <Elronnd>joshuaBPMan: I know how the passwd command works. I'm just annoyed it wasn't already there <Elronnd>I already installed it successfully in a vm <joshuaBPMan>Why would you be annoyed? THat's how arch works too. It won't install it 'til you need it. :) <joshuaBPMan>To globally install packages, you need to add them to the (packages) section in your config. <Elronnd>I want to know how to install it globally <Elronnd>joshuaBPMan: yes, but at least basic system utilities like passwd are installed <joshuaBPMan>to install passwd globally add shadow to your (packages) section and you have to add "admin" to your (use-service-modules ...) section in your config file. <happy_gnu[m]>packages (cons* ratpoison i3-wm i3status dmenu ;window managers nss-certs ;for HTTPS access tcpdump %base-packages)) <happy_gnu[m]>(packages (cons* ratpoison i3-wm guile-wm i3status dmenu ;window managers nss-certs ;for HTTPS access tcpdump %base-packages)) <cbaines>happy_gnu[m], are you currently using slim, the login manager? <cbaines>I ask, as I think its only necessary to install it globaly if you want to login in to guile-vm through slim <happy_gnu[m]>cbaines: Is that the one that says "press f1 to change" DE or WM <cbaines>Well, I might be wrong, but I'd perhaps try installing it in your profile first, before installing it system wide if that doesn't work 
