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<jmd>How does one mark an item in debbugs as "resolved" ?
<detrout_>jmd send an email to ${bug-number}-done@<bugserver> see
<jmd>detrout_: Thanks.
<Apteryx>Has anyone seen this gcc internal error trying to compile webkit:
<Apteryx>By curiosity; are the email alias (forwards) distributed by FSF/GNU as honor badges? Or how does it work?
<rekado>hi guix!
<lfam>Howdy rekado
<Apteryx>rekado: After some experimenting, it seems the Deja Vu family works best for me in IceCat with the skia backend. Skia made the otherwise beautiful hack font (monospace) barely readable.
<Apteryx>Would still be nice to fix the cairo backend. Do we have a bug tracking that?
<clacke[m]>I'm not able to guix pull any more, on one of my machines. guile-ssh is consistently failing its tests.
<clacke[m]>Is there some kernel module I should load? My kernel version is recent enough, 4.x. It's a Debian machine.
<clacke[m]>I've tried pulling an old snapshot, tried using 0.11.0-whatever guix-daemon as well as dowloaded and used the binary 0.12.0.
<ng0>something is really strange about master since yesterday.. I think I'll switch to git
<ng0>the server ran pull for 8 hours
<ng0>and wasn't finished, restarted 'guix pull' just now
<ng0>looks about the same
<ng0>I have to go
<efraim>not too too relevant, but nss-3.27.1 failed first attempt on aarch64
<civodul>Hello Guix!
<sneek>Welcome back civodul, you have 1 message.
<sneek>civodul, wingo says: you don't get huge pages unless you ask for them, so i think there is no problem
<efraim>that was originally in #guile
<wingo>good morning in any case :)
<efraim> armhf -> mips64el cross-compile failure on core-updates
<civodul>i think we can't expect that to work
<civodul>rekado: BTW, how was Bobkonf?
<efraim>i'll submit a bug, we also have arm and i686 trying to build for aarch64
<wingo>i wonder how possible it would be to get a guile 2.2.0 binary install available with guix for new users that don't have guix, on the release day
<civodul>it would be possible, similar to the binary tarball of Guix
<wingo>would be nice if we could have a specially-generated tarball that let people just download one thing and it works
<civodul>sounds like a good idea
<wingo>would be a good guix gateway drug too :)
<civodul>i'll see if i can try this
<civodul>artyom-poptsov: what are your plans regarding updating guile-ssh to 2.2?
<artyom-poptsov>civodul: Hello!
<civodul>hi artyom-poptsov!
<rekado>civodul: Bobkonf was good! There were not so many people in the room, though. I guess the alternative sessions had more attractive titles :)
<rekado>civodul: in about two weeks the video might be published
<civodul>rekado: neat :-)
<civodul>did you have interesting questions or feedback?
<rekado>I had more time than I thought I would, so I answered the question about Guix vs Nix first.
<artyom-poptsov>civodul: First of all, I think I need to migrate to Guile 2.2 myself to test Guile-SSH with that version; I'm still using Guile 2.0.14 on my Gentoo box.
<rekado>other questions were about security updates, continuous integration, “do I need to learn a lot of Scheme to package things?”, etc
<rekado>feedback was very positive throughout
<rekado>many people said they used Nix before but would prefer to do things with Scheme
<civodul>sounds good ;-)
<civodul>these are questions we have pretty good answers for i guess ;-)
<artyom-poptsov>civodul: I hadn't enough time to hack on Guile-SSH last two month, but I'm hoping to make a new release as soon as I sort out some tasks at my day work.
<roelj>Can I import stuff from 'guix archive --export ...' to a specific profile?
<rekado>roelj: no.
<rekado>roelj: but you can export a complete profile.
<roelj>rekado: Yes.. so, I wanted to export a profile from one machine and import it on another machine, but then put it in a new profile (not in the user's current profile).
<rekado>roelj: if you import store items they’ll appear in the store.
<rekado>roelj: if the store item includes a profile, then you already have a separate profile that includes the store items.
<rekado>roelj: you’d still need to add a link to that new profile in the store to make it conveniently accessible.
<roelj>rekado: Ah, so it would be pretty straightforward for 'guix archive' to have a --profile option to add that link.. Another thing on my to-do list.
<civodul>artyom-poptsov: great!
<civodul>wingo: the "hygienic" macro-introduced top-level identifier thing breaks (gnu services configuration) and related modules
<wingo>civodul: bug-guile@ plz :)
<civodul>sure :-)
<civodul>trying to see how to work around it
<jmd>Not much happening today.
<civodul>well well!
<civodul>ACTION plays with Guile 2.1
<jmd>Two holes in the ground!
<wingo>civodul: did you get more info on that macro identifier thing?
<wingo>ACTION was busy before
<wingo>there are a few changes in master regarding top-level identifiers and macros; many possibilities
<civodul>wingo: yes, that turned out to be easy to fix, so that's cool
<civodul>well it took me a while because it's a syntax-case maze in there ;-)
<civodul>but apart from that it was logical
<civodul>i read the section you wrote in the manual on this topic and i liked it
<civodul>pretty convincing too
<wingo>looking forward to 2.0 being the "old stable" release :)
<jmd>Is this discussion about guix?
<wingo>oh good, i'm glad for that. i never know sometimes, i can convince myself of bad ideas; glad to hear you looked at it
<reggggieee>slightly off topic, but does anyone here use sawfish wm?
<efraim>Has anyone tried using the store on a nilfs partition?
<efraim>Or have another reccomendation for a USB2 mounted store
<efraim>Hard drive/spinning rust, not flash based
<roelj>efraim: I haven't. But I do know the file system needs to be able to create hard links, so that's something to look into. (I don't know if nilfs can do this.)
<janneke>reggggieee: i used to > 10y ago, with guix i'm now using stumpwm
<reggggieee>janneke: i looked at stumpwm briefly, does it only do tiling? i want to be able to do auto-fill with keepassx, which a lot tiling wm's don't seem to be able to do
<janneke>reggggieee: stumpwm is tiling, i haven't found out how to use a floating frame yet...there seems to be something possible
<reggggieee>janneke: koo, will look into it
<janneke>reggggieee: they call it `floating group', i'm not sure how or why to use that yet
<janneke>i am wondering if people run wicd-gtk, for example, using that
<reggggieee>oh hmm, possibly. i def wanna try it with keepassx tho. kinda wondering if it it will be able to switch to a tiled window properly tho
<janneke>reggggieee: i never used sawfish in a tiling way, now really addicted to it
<reggggieee>janneke: ah, yeah i'm exploring wm's since i've basically transitioned all my programs into an emacs equivalent lol. and i use emacs like a tiling wm p much
<efraim>Too many open files caused test failure for libevent on armv8
<efraim>I'll have to look into that
<jmd>What's the next big thing in Guix?
<lfam>jmd: I'd say a better mechanism for updating Guix, and then the fabled "channels"
<civodul>hey ho lfam!
<lfam>Hi civodul!
<civodul>how's everything?
<lfam>It's a warm and sunny Women's Day here where I am :)
<civodul>heheh good :-)
<civodul>i need to read the latest channel proposal
<lfam>In the meantime, version 3 of Marius's `guix pull` patch is working okay for me :)
<efraim>Hmmm I still need to add aarch64 to qemu-minimal
<civodul>lfam: oh so it should probably go in
<lfam>civodul: I'm reading now about Guile string comparison procedures. I want to tweak how it matches the Savannah URL
<lfam>Right now it matches the full URL to the latest master branch snapshot. But, it should match anything in our Git repo, so that it works "out of the box" for URLs like ""
<civodul>that's right?
<lfam>Oh, I didn't notice this updated patch on guix-patches. I had been reading the earlier discussion on guix-devel
<lfam>Or, I noticed the patch, but didn't see the changes from the earlier patch
<civodul>i hope i'm looking at the right one
<lfam>civodul: I think the one you linked to is the latest one
***mildred3 is now known as mildred
<ng0>hi :) 26 hours, 3 guix pulls within that time and none finished... I guess I'll try just rebooting and trying it again, but I doubt that will fix the issue
<ng0>"have you tried turning it off and on again?" :)
<ng0>the progress after reboot is, it is stuck with unpacking now
<ng0>and there isn't even any more output with the --verbose option
<ng0>I think giving it a try in one of the runs for 12 hours counts as a bug
<ng0>sneek: later tell lfam: how long did the texlive bug/grafting thing take on your end? my 'guix pull' did not finish within 12 hours, gave it 3 tries after the first 12 hours
<sneek>Got it.
<civodul>12 hours?
<ng0>one run, in total 26 hours, I gave it two tries
<civodul>i upgraded texlive yesterday, i didn't pay attention but it took much less than this
<ng0>not texlive
<ng0>it's about guix pull
<ng0>I wrote an email this morning, after this email I restarted the process
<ng0>I just came back, same result
<ng0>I know the server config is alright, I was able to update before just fine
<ng0>upgrades of texlive are fast on that machine.. enough cores etc
<slyfox>does strace hint at what process is acrually doing?
<ng0>how do I hook strace into that again?
<slyfox>strace -p <pid>
<ng0>i hope I can install strace, and that not something broke which prevents me from doing so
<slyfox>guix pull should hopefully be atomic
<CharlieBrown>ACTION scowls at ng0
<ng0>well guix package -i strace now hangs.. I'm not sure if I have all the packages to build from git, it was only planned to change to it
<ng0>and I can't strace without strace... well I could retry with --verbose of package
<ng0>--verbosity=3 shows nothing, that's very odd
<ng0>shit :/
<ng0>well I guess I'll back up the config repo and redo it
<ng0>I'm open to solutions without strace. nothing in /var/log I found helped
<ng0>I can't build the checkout either, because I did not expect I need build tools already
<ng0>I think I'll just redo this system tomorrow and run it from git.. it's no use and not repairable with what I know of guix.
<ng0>different topic:
<ng0>I got an reply from tor trademark team. can we evaluate now already what would need to be modified in tor-browser to package it? I am already packaging it, the question is just how the tor-dev community would judge the changes, etc pp. this would affect wether we can name it 'tor-browser' and use the official branding or if I have to discuss further options with them.
<ng0>the free distribution guidelines are not my field of expert, so where should this be discussed best? I don't trust lists such as libreplanet because the amount of trolling and derailing is too high for me there to take them seriously
<ng0>ask fsf licensing team?