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<Apteryx>While doing a "guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm". Does that mean anything?
<Apteryx>Seems like it hung. I'll try restarting the task.
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<joshuaBPMan_>Hello, I'm trying to run 'sudo guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm', but it's taking hours (4 hours last night, and it failed at the end). It looks like it's trying to compile webkit. I suppose I should try uninstalling icecat, and then run reconfigure again.
<Apteryx>joshuaBPMan_: I'm reconfiguring my system as well right now. I noly see guix-daemon using all my cpu, but I can't tell what it's doing unfortunately (it's pretty silent).
<Apteryx>I don't think icecat uses Webkit, if that helps.
<joshuaBPMan_>oh. That's true...icecat uses gecko. Why the heck am I seeing webkit? Maybe some other application requires it.
<atw>maybe a GUI mail application or similar?
<atw>guix refresh -l webkit or similar might help you find it
<quiliro>i gave up on using youtube on epiphany
<quiliro>i installed icecat
<quiliro>i cannot find an email client
<quiliro>i used to use iceweasel
<quiliro>any suggestions
<quiliro>i have a backup of my .icedove directory
<quiliro>with all my past email
<Apteryx>quiliro: I just started using Gnus, which is shipped with Emacs.
<quiliro>guix package -i gnus
<quiliro>Apteryx: is that the command to install it?
<joshuaBPMan_>quiliro: yes.
<joshuaBPMan_>M-x gnus
<Apteryx>quiliro: It comes builtin Emacs. So more like `guix package -i emacs`
<joshuaBPMan_>in my opinion, it is difficult to use it. It's not a point and click email client.
<Apteryx>And then inside emacs M-x gnus; but without prior configuration this won't give you a good idea of what it can do :)
<joshuaBPMan_>If you don't use emacs, then you probably won't like gnus.
<Apteryx>I second that. If emacs is new for your; this is probably going to be a bit overwhelming.
<Apteryx>*to you.
<lfam>quiliro: How about claws-mail? It's a graphical mail client
<quiliro>lfam: thank you for the tip
<quiliro>i will install it
<quiliro>Apteryx: thank you
<buenouanq>fresh install
<Apteryx>Is there a day of the week where Hydra is susceptible to have more substitutes built? I guess I'm asking which days of the weeks are the Guix developer less active? ;)
<lfam>Apteryx: You could plot the Git commits by day of the week
<efraim>Sunday is very quiet normally
<Apteryx>lfam: That would work, yes! Good idea.
<Apteryx>efraim: OK! So maybe early Mondays would be a good times to upgrade.
<buenouanq>if I want to actually use it to run something, do I want icedtea:out or icedtea:jdk?
<buenouanq>how do I look up what outputs supply what?
<lfam>buenouanq: The comments in the package definition (gnu/packages/java.scm line 359) say that the 'out' output provides the Java Runtime Environment
<buenouanq>where is that path?
<buenouanq>I have no /gnu/packages/ dir...
<lfam>buenouanq: Look under '~/.config/guix/latest'. It's not a real user interface; I don't think we have a way to list the contents of package outputs yet. Maybe the information should go in package descriptions.
<buenouanq>I don't have that dir either (;-___-)
<buenouanq>what happens if I cancel an install with C-c before it finishes?
<ovidnis>buenouanq: guix is transactional so either the install is successful or nothing happens
<ovidnis>any reason in particular stumpwm wouldn't show up as selectable in my login manager?
<buenouanq>and what was half downloaded will be garbage collected at some later point?
<ovidnis>i dunno, just started using guix a couple days ago
<lfam>Half downloaded files will be discarded immediately. Fully downloaded but unused packages will either be discarded when you run `guix gc` or, if you end up asking for them while they are still on your computer, they will be used.
<ovidnis>i've got `stumpwm.desktop' in `/home/ovidnis/.guix-profile/share/xsessions'
<efraim>lfam: good call on updating openjpeg/fixed to openjpeg-2.1.2, I didn't think of that when I was doing it
<lfam>efraim: I hadn't even noticed the new release!
<efraim>looks like you forgot the file-name field
<lfam>I pushed a fix.
<lfam>It's weird, when I download the source code with my web browser, the tarball's name is 'openjpeg-2.1.2.tar.gz'.
<efraim>i normally pass it to aria2 so I can also download any sig/asc/whatever file also
<lfam>aria2 gives the full file name; curl doesn't
<lfam>efraim: Does aria2 make it easier to download signatures somehow?
<fr33domlover>Hello! Q: I installed X11 via Guix (not GuixSD) but when I run `startx` it fails to get a display. Any idea why / how / where I need to place files / change PATH to make it work? I mean, run X11 from Guix and not from host distro package
<efraim>aria2c -Z ftp.url.tld/downloads/file.xz{,.asc}
<efraim>-Z for "its multiple files", -c for continue
<fr33domlover>(When I run /usr/bin/startx it picks up my .xinitrc and loads the window manager)
<quiliro>gutten morgen
<quiliro>i need to download the latest versions of the substitutes available
<quiliro>in order to install them as needed when offline
<quiliro>is this possible?
<buenouanq>I tried to use Gnome as a user in no supplementary groups and it was terribly slow and jittery. Top showed everything going through a single cpu. Added the user to wheel, audio, and video, and the problems went away. Normal or important? What would cause this?
<cbaines>quiliro, guix build has a --sources option, but I think that's a bit different
<cbaines>You might get the right behaviour by just installing what you need in to another profile, to make sure that its in the store
<quiliro>cbaines: thank you for your suggestion
<quiliro>cbaines: but what i need is not installing but downloading
<quiliro>cbaines: plus i do not want to download sources but binaries
<cbaines>quiliro, I'm not sure there is much difference between installing in a different profile, and downloading
<quiliro>sometimes the latest binaries are not available but i do not mind having older binaries
<cbaines>as in I think it would do what you want
<quiliro>cbaines: installing might need to compile
<quiliro>i do not want to compile because my machine is a centrino duo, which is very slow
<cbaines>with Guix, I don't think that you can use "old" substitutes
<cbaines>there is either a substitute available for the exact thing you need, or there is not
<quiliro>cbaines: i understand guix provides posibility to install older versions of packages
<quiliro>i don't think they delete older substitutes when they have new source schemas
<quiliro>it would be of no use because the schemas do not occupy much space
<quiliro>by schemas i mean scm files
<quiliro>sorry for using the wrong terms
<cbaines>I think I'm following
<cbaines>I don't know of a way to just download substitutes though, without asking Guix to just install the relevant packages
<quiliro>i think that guix package --install
<quiliro>should install the latest substitutes available and compile only if new sources are available and --fallback is appended
<quiliro>there is the --download-only option in other package managers
<quiliro>it is almost 6 am
<quiliro>i should start packing up
<quiliro>i am learning esperanto
<quiliro>any esperantistoj
<efraim>there's a couple of people here who speak/know esperanto
<ng0>so I just imported from pypi and got this:
<ng0> `(("python--e" ,python--e)
<quiliro>efraim: speak?
<ng0>is this an artifact?
<efraim>i don't, i know civodul does
<htgoebel>ng0: Looks like a bug
<ng0>is it possible it just meant
<efraim>what could that package possibly be
<quiliro>suggestion for emacs newbie besides guix package --install emacs
<ng0>reproducible by `guix import pypi flask-wtf`
<efraim>oh, I added qtwebkit to pyqt-5.5 and I got the "welcome to calibre" screen, but then it crashed when it went to open
<ng0>htgoebel: it could be "e"
<ng0>i'll just try "e"
<ng0>if it isn't e, i'll open a bug
<ng0>bye o/
<efraim>i'm sure even if we get calibre working again it'll have problems, currently on my machine i have it with pyqt5.5, with qt5.6 and qtwebkit5.7
<roptat>I had icecat crashing very often on my machine, so I tried to fix that
<htgoebel>efaim: Mixin versions of qt will be thr reaosn for the crash
<roptat>I found that "From firefox-40, using system cairo causes firefox to crash frequently when it is doing background rendering in a tab." according to LFS
<efraim>I don't have ng0's 'python--e' package from `guix import pypi flask-wtf'
<roptat>so I removed the switch and made it use the bundled version of cairo, and it seems a lot more stable now
<htgoebel>efraim: python--e: I can not even download meta-data for package 'flask-wtfrpm' :-(
<htgoebel>looks like me guix setup is somehwar mixed up :-(
<efraim>it might be git, guix from 20161207.11 imports it alright, git head doesn't work for me
<efraim>so something in the past 4 days
<efraim> ./pre-inst-env guix --version
<efraim>guix (GNU Guix) 0.11.0
<efraim>that's interesting
<htgoebel>I almost always get this version information.
<jmi2k>Hi I finished installing Guix with root encrypted, but I can't boot it. Installation succeeds, no errors, GRUB appears, but it fails and starts a Guile REPL.
<jmi2k>I ran guix pull before guix system init, so it should be the latest version available
<jmd>jmi2k: Well it was "latest" as of the moment you did "guix pull".
<jmi2k>Yes, at that moment (around 10 hours ago)
<efraim>htgoebel: AFAICT pyqt needs all of qt to build all the bindings, including qtwebkit, but there's something else up with the calibre package
<htgoebel>efraim: are use using 5.7 for all qt and pyqt components in calibre?
<efraim>debian builds pyqt with all of the qt modules, pyqt and qt are both 5.7, and as "depends" it only lists pyqt pieces, no standalone qt modules
<htgoebel>does it crash without any message?
<efraim>when I remove .config/calibre I get the welcome screen, after I get past that I get the 'ImportError: No module named QtWebKitWidgets' again
<efraim>i'm going to toss all of the qtmodules in pyqt5.6 and switch calibre to qtbase and pyqt5.6 and see if that gets me anything
<htgoebel>qtwebwit ist no longer part of qt 5.6 and 5.7. Sou you need to create python-pyqtwebkit, I assume.
<jmd>Anyone know why this: happens whenever I try to do make check-system ?
<htgoebel>efaim: In Debian, calibre requires python-pyqt5 (5.7), python-pyqt5.qtsvg and python-pyqt5.qtwebkit.
<htgoebel>We do not have pyqt5.qtsvg and pyqt5.qtwebkit yat.
<efraim>Package: python-pyqt5.qtwebkit
<efraim>Source: pyqt5 (5.7+dfsg-2)
<efraim>its part of pyqt
<htgoebel>Debian is maintaining its own clone of pyqt.
<efraim>definately possible
<htgoebel>That's ugliy. We need to analyse the this clone to find out what they have gone.
<htgoebel>Did you check nix or archlinux?
<efraim>not yet
<efraim> looks like debian just splits it all the debian way, into tons of little packages
<jmi2k>How can I list files in the Guile REPL when booting (it's all I have, I can't boot Guix)?
<jmi2k>I want to see what devices are available in /dev
<htgoebel>Our source archive includes QtWebKit and QtWebKitWidgets. Maybe we simply need to add qtwebkit as input?
<htgoebel>And qtsvg, etc, of course.
<alezost>sneek: later tell ovidnis so you installed "sbcl-stumpwm:bin" in your user profile, right? I think that SLIM looks for .desktop files only in a system profile, so you need to install stumpwm globally, i.e. try to add (packages (list sbcl-stumpwm "bin") ...) to your system config
<sneek>Got it.
<efraim>rather than copy tons of lines of code, with just qtbase configure took 100 seconds on my machine to decide which bits to build, adding everything I could find made it take 200 seconds to decide which to build, so it looks like we need to add tons of inputs to pyqt
<efraim>I added everything except for qtwayland
<efraim>i g2g, i'll check back later to see what my machine built
<jmd>Hmm. Our master branch seems to be totally broken atm.
<jmd>guix system reconfigure gives: "guix system: error: corrupt input while restoring archive from #<closed: file 0>"
<jmd>ACTION reboot
<buenouanq>I was able to successfully do a fresh install a few hours ago.
<quiliro>any idea of how to download the latest available substitutes without falling back to sources?
<quiliro>i mean the case when latest source file has no available substitute for that version, to download the latest susbtitute that _is_available
<htgoebel>quiliro: AFAIK this is not possible. guix only knowns the "current" version - with "current" being what is defined "now" in gnu/packages/*.scm
<efraim>htgoebel: based on what I can see, calibre now works
<efraim>i'll prepare a couple of patches to send in to the mailinglist
<htgoebel>efaim: Great job!
<quiliro>htgoebel: where is gnu/packages?
<quiliro>in .profile?
<htgoebel>quiliro: No, it's part of to guix program itself.
<quiliro>htgoebel: i can see there are several versions of some packages available
<htgoebel>If you have GuixSD installed, it should be somewhere in /share/guile/site/*/gnu/packages/
<quiliro>so why can't it be the same if the the substitute for the update is not available?
<htgoebel>If there are several version available (guix package -A ...), then you may install a different version.
<htgoebel>But guix does not fall back to older versions if there is no substitute availalbe
<quiliro>is there a way to download all substitutes?
<quiliro>without installing them
<htgoebel>(In the long run substitutes should be available for all releases anyway.)
<quiliro>every time i want to install guixsd i have this problem: i do not have a connection but once every 3 days and my machine is old so it compiles veeery slowly
<htgoebel>quilrio: I can't tell. I assume there is no way to download all. You would need to know what is available on the server, and AFAIK there is no such thing like a "list" command.
<htgoebel>IC. Do you have a second machine, may be old?
<quiliro>bothl my machines are old
<quiliro>centrino duo and celeron
<quiliro>one is a laptop and the other a desktop
<quiliro>i average 24 hours of nonstop installation for guixsd
<quiliro>complete with gnome and apps
<htgoebel>You could install guix (not GuixSD) on the second machine, run "guix publish there".
<htgoebel>Then on the machine running GuixSD, export the store to the other machine. So you'll have some kind of a cache on your second machine.
<htgoebel>You can then use --substitutes-urls to use this cache.
<htgoebel>You'll still have to build packages where there is no substitute at hydra yet.
<quiliro>htgoebel: that is my main problem
<quiliro>building takes many hours
<quiliro>so i cannot stay many hours at the internet site
<htgoebel>I do not understadn why you need to build that much stuff
<quiliro>it is not too much but it is a slow machine
<quiliro>libreoffice and gnome usually have no susb
<htgoebel>May downloading all required source help you? Thus you could just do that at the internet site and build at home (hopefully)
<htgoebel>but libreoffice and gnome do not change that often, do they?
<quiliro>htgoebel: i don't know
<quiliro>perhaps downloading all source without compiling will help
<quiliro>then i can buiild at home what i need to install
<quiliro>"In the future, we want Guix to have support to publish and retrieve
<quiliro>binaries to/from other users, in a peer-to-peer fashion. If you would
<quiliro>like to discuss this project, join us on <>."
<quiliro>htgoebel: do you know how to download the sources without compiling?
<quiliro>i think the sources when compiling sometime require to download more sources
<htgoebel>For a single package its "guix build --source". But unfortunalty this does not give you the dependencies :-(
<quiliro>htgoebel: build will just download?
<quiliro>perhaps there is the possibility to feed a file to guix build
<quiliro>and include the list of guix packages
<quiliro>i mean the list of scm files
<htgoebel>the sources *while* compiling *never* requires more source. But guix may need to download and compile dependencies
<quiliro>so if i download all sources then...everyting is solved because all sources include all dependencies
<quiliro>htgoebel: ^
<htgoebel>AFAIK yes
<quiliro>htgoebel: so how to download all sources?
<quiliro>on pidgin, when i click on a link, there is an error (translated from spanish): Could not open URL. The browser command <<xdg-open>> is not valid.
<quiliro>2 hours installing calibre and it is not done yet
<quiliro>without --fallback
<htgoebel>quiliro: "guix graph -t bag" should give you a list of all (recursive) dependencies.
<htgoebel>guix graph libreoffice | | grep "label =" | sed -e 's/.*label = "//' -e 's/".*//' | sort -u
<htgoebel>Ups, double "|" in this line
<htgoebel>correct one: guix graph libreoffice | grep "label =" | sed -e 's/.*label = "//' -e 's/".*//' | sort -u
<htgoebel>Then you can feed this to guix build: …… | sort -u | xargs guix build --source
<quiliro>htgoebel: libreoffice does not have a particular desktop dependency
<htgoebel>Hmm, when testing this, it fails. Mayby some more tweeking is required.
<htgoebel>quilrio: You can pass several packages to guix graph
<quiliro>htgoebel: so what is the correct command?
<quiliro>it gives me an error
<quiliro> is the version of the package to be removed
<quiliro>how to remove it without removing all "-"
<quiliro>only remove everything after the last "-"
<quiliro>oh! learning bash and grep
<quiliro>cool htgoebel
<quiliro>but i can't remove that last part
<efraim>Guix build foo --sources=transitive downloads the dependencies recursively
<efraim>The source tarballs that is
<htgoebel>efraim: Hey, this is much easier :-)
<quiliro>efraim: thank you!
<efraim>np :)
<htgoebel>efraim: The help is a bit terse on this :-(
<quiliro>htgoebel: thank you for the lesson with grep and sort and guix too!
<htgoebel>You are welcome
<quiliro>problems should never be solved twice
<quiliro>it is too much work
<quiliro>efraim: it is working now
<efraim>There should be a Guix build command to download the substitutes that are available for building a package/system
<efraim>it might be --sources, i can never remember if all or package is the right one in that case
<quiliro>guix build: error: build failed: some substitutes for the outputs of derivation `/gnu/store/wm8ii88dwwzm6h08hf8xrz9w5k66c5fh-glproto-1.4.17.tar.bz2.drv' failed (usually happens due to networking issues); try `--fallback' to build derivation from source
<quiliro>when building calibre for 32 bits
<quiliro>guix build calibre --sources=transitive
<quiliro>added --fallback and it is working
<quiliro>is this correct?
<quiliro>so that means that this downloads substitutes when they are available and source where they are not?
<quiliro>why is it downloading linux-libre?
<efraim>sources=transitive means to download the source tarballs to build everything up from the base
<quiliro> linux-libre is needed to install calibre
<quiliro>but i have linux libre already
<quiliro>it is copying files too
<quiliro>but i only need to download
<quiliro>it is creating directories and so
<quiliro>and that will take time
<quiliro>is ther a way to make pidgin open links?
<tux__>Hi ,just started reading about guix. how do i express systemwide preferences /do white-blacklisting of packages.e.g. exclude pøtteringware(avahi,pulseaudio,systemd), replace openssl with libressl block qt etc ? thanks
<tux__>(ala gentoo USE_flages)
<cbaines>tux__, with Guix, "systemwide" preferences just have to affect Guix when you are configuring your system
<cbaines>if you want to exclude certian packages properly, that requires checking that they are not in the build graph, and replacing them if they are
<cbaines>I don't think there is an easy interface to this yet though
<efraim>There are currently no plans to create use flags like gentoo, but you are able to alter package definitions to use or not use whatever packages you'd like
<tux__>@cbaines: thanks, eg iwant to compile curl only against gnutls (no openssl) there would be no make.conf-alike, i had to use one of two options ->a) at runtime : export GUIX_BUILD_OPTIONS="" b) package definition ?
<quiliro>i installed xdg-utils and the error went away but it would still not open the browser
<quiliro>when clicking on the link in pidgin
<jmd>Can someone explain to me this code from gnu/tests/ssh.scm ;; Enable TCP forwarding of the guest's port 22.
<jmd> (make-marionette (list #$command "-net" "user,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22")))
<jmd>What is the "guest" ?
<tux__>@jmd just guessing ...that looks like portforwarding from qemu host to guest -to ssh into the guest when there is only usernet
<jmd>But what is the "guest" ?
<jmd>Does that mean a guest account?
<jmd>In which case it doesn't really make sense. accounts don't have ports.
<rekado>jmd: the guest is the virtual machine system.
<tux__>you ssh localhost:2222 and arrive in the guest_vm at :22
<jmd>So guest is the marionette instance ?
<tux__>its a trick when the guest has no full net, idont know anything about guix ,i wager it is used as a better isolated chroot .therefore you ssh into it ... quite nice
<tux__>as a safer build system ... again just guessing
<amz3`>what's up guix?
<quiliro>if i am on trisquel and install guix, how will the packages that are already installed work?
<jmd>quiliro: yes.
<quiliro>hi amz3`
<jmd>they'll work just as before.
<quiliro>jmd: if i install packages with guix they will be installed with all dependencies regardless if they are already installed in trisquel or not?
<amz3`>When I guix pull I get the following error:
<jmd>guix will ignore what is or is not installed in the host system.
<quiliro>i reffe that the dependencies of the package i am installing with guix are already installed
<jmd>quiliro: Because it is impossible for a guix package to be dependent upon a package in the foreign distro.
<quiliro>jmd: thks
<amz3`>How can I work around this, maybe I could use the git repository?
<quiliro>amz3`: i cannot see your paste
<quiliro>maybe its just me
<amz3`>also it recommends to use --fallback but there is no --fallback option to guix pull
<quiliro>the hash failed
<quiliro>would you test again?
<amz3`>I already retried a couple of times
<amz3`>I am trying to update via giit
<quiliro>perhaps try to --install that package
<quiliro>guix package --install module-import-compiled
<amz3`>it's a pseudo package there is not --install for it I think
<amz3`>indeed it doen't work
<amz3`>I will try to build everything from git and see what happens
<jmd>guix pull --fallback wouldn't really make a lot of sense.
<amz3`>why is that?
<jmd>What would it mean?
<amz3`>build the package from source
<amz3`>instead of downloading them
<jmd>guix pull isn't about building/downloading packages.
<amz3`>I just installed guix from binary and did guix pull and i tried to download new binary packages
<quiliro>how do i know if guix is downloading sources or substitutes?
<amz3`>dunno :)
<quiliro>jmd: is it possible to distinguish a source download from a substitute download?
<quiliro>when guix is doing it?
<jmd>quiliro: If it's downloading from then its a substitute. Otherwise it's a source.
<quiliro>jmd: both are tar.bz2 and tar.xz?
<jmd>could be anything.
<jmd>In general, you don't care what it's downloading (except perhaps for debugging purposes)
<quiliro>ok then: substitutes come from hydra and sources come from other servers and have .drv files?
<jmi2k>Does anyone have installed successfully GuixSD with full root encryption? I'm stuck.
<quiliro>i haved suggested trisquel users to use guix as package manager
<amz3`>guix environment guix is compiling all the things :(
<jmd>quiliro: Substitutes come from hydra (or whatever substitute server you have configured). Anything else being downloaded comes from elsewhere. Note that some substitutes are also sources.
<quiliro>jmd: how to make a compilation of all packages?
<jmd>You want to compile ALL packages in Guix locally?
<jmd>That'll take about a month unless you have a very fast machine.
<amz3`>git pull --rebase is very handy while working on packages
<quiliro>jmd: my idea is to compile in a powerful computer where there is great power and download all substitutes from there
<jmd>That's certainly a noble if ambitious plan. Probably the best way would be to set up your own hydra instance. Unfortunately I don't really know how to do that.
<quiliro>perhaps i can ask a university to host it
<quiliro>when i find it, then i will ask!
<quiliro>how to do it
<quiliro>what do you think would be the requirements of the server?
<amz3`>quiliro: I think you'd rather ask the mailling list or search the mailling list to get started because that a question that has already been asked
<quiliro>amz3`: good idea
<amz3`>guile-next is not up-to-date :/
<amz3`>seems like hydra has issues
<amz3`>for some reasons I am compiling guile-next instead of using the substitute
<Apteryx>Nice, the invisible scrollbar handle issue I had in IceCat has been resolved.
<jmd>It there a hook I can use whenever a network interface is enabled?
<ng0>hacking session result of today, I have pagure. I only need to write a service for it now
<ng0>just posted the patches
<ng0>11 python packages, if anyone wants to review
<ng0>pagure as in
<ng0>the sad part is this website:
<ng0>fedora should use an valid certificate
<ng0>I use
<jmd>ng0: I love that word: "only" !
<ng0>we "only" want to "change" the world :)
<sovra1>I'm trying to patch a scm piece of code to get wi-fi working: patch --backup-if-mismatch -p0 < networking.scm
<sovra1>but it returns an error saying: can't find file to patch at input line 5
<sovra1>then asks to add the patch file manually but on that line there is just this: @@ -21,7 +21,9 @@
<sovra1>I'm new to this program and I don't know how it recognize the diff output and what @ stands for.
<ng0>v2 of pagure ocming soon, fedora offered a different urlk
<lfam>sovra1: Can you share the patch file?
<sovra1>From: Chris Marusich Subject: Re: Network Manager Service Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:52:53 -0800
<sovra1>from this e-mail:
<lfam>sovra1: Okay, assuming that you have the Guix source code in ~/guix, and the patch is at ~/patch, you can try applying the patch like this: `cd ~/guix && patch -p1 < ~/patch`
<lfam>But, the patch doesn't apply to the latest master branch anyways. Maybe the patch already been integrated into the Guix master branch?
<lfam>sovra1: Yes, the changes were (at least partially) made in commit 2e328698248 (services: Move polkit to (gnu services dbus).)
<lfam>sovra1: The part of the patch that changes (gnu services networking) wasn't applied to the master branch
<lfam>Try removing everything from the patch file above the line that reads "diff --git a/gnu/services/networking.scm b/gnu/services/networking.scm", and then re-try the command I gave above
<amz3`>I have this error when running guix: warning: failed to install locale: Invalid argument
<amz3`>and I have GUIX_LOCPATH set
<lfam>amz3`: It should just be a warning that doesn't cause any problems. But we can still fix it :)
<lfam>How do you start the guix-daemon?
<lfam>amz3`: Make sure that glibc-locales is installed in root's profile, and then add this line to the systemd service file that you use to start the guix-daemon:
<lfam>You might be able to use the smaller glibc-utf8-locales package, which uses a small subset of glibc-locales. It depends on your needs
<lfam>amz3`: The glibc-utf8-locales package includes de_DE.utf8, el_GR.utf8, en_US.utf8, fr_FR.utf8, and tr_TR.utf8. It's for testing, but some of us (ab)use it to save space since it meets our needs
<amz3`>ok thx
<jmi2k>Does full root encryption work? After two days, I can't get it working, and I don't know the problem. Please help!
<Petter>jmi2k: Can you paste the configuration you're using. Maybe we can spot something.
<jmi2k>Petter: here you are
<jmi2k>It installs fine, grub runs and ask for the password, but boot hangs because it doesn't find the LUKS partition.
<jmi2k>About the installation: a GPT disk with three partitions: 32 GiB FAT, 128 MiB BIOS boot and the rest ~100GiB LUKS root partition. UUID are all correct (I've checked them a lot of times :-)), and as I said, it install without errors.
<Petter>Have you tried not using uuids?
<lfam>sneek: later tell paroneayea: There is a new release of assword: <>. Can you look into it?
<sneek>Got it.
<Petter>I'd try using the device name instead for source of mapped-devices.
<Petter>Hi lfam :)
<lfam>Hi :) Remember I said there would be bike-shedding ;)
<lfam>Leave it for the end :)
<lfam>I'll try using your patches to re-install my Syncthing today
<lfam>And I'll offer a review, although I'm not the best person to review the build system code
<Petter>Nice. I haven't heard of any other attempts at building it yet.
<paroneayea>oh nice lfam
<sneek>paroneayea, you have 1 message.
<sneek>paroneayea, lfam says: There is a new release of assword: <>. Can you look into it?
<paroneayea>yeah yeah, thanks sneek :)
<lfam>paroneayea: I want to update gpgme soon :)
<Petter>sneek: You're a hero!
<lfam>sneek: Have this moldy botsnack I found under the sofa
<paroneayea>lfam: so I guess the new module it should use is python-gnupg?
<lfam>paroneayea: Yeah, and it looks like that library is part of gpgme-1.8.0: <>
<paroneayea>lfam: huh
<paroneayea>lfam: it looks like the new release is tagged in git, but the assword page isn't updated.
<lfam>Yeah, I get the impression that the Debian Git repo is where it all happens now
<paroneayea>also I'm not totally sure which dependency we use
<paroneayea>so when we update gpgme we'll just use that?
<Petter>Why do they call it assword?
<paroneayea>Petter: just a crass pun
<paroneayea>drop the p from password
<paroneayea>and now it's a "swear word"
<paroneayea>lfam: I've asked in #assword@OFTC what the status of the release is.
<lfam>paroneayea: Yeah, I guess we have to update gpgme and assword together
<paroneayea>assword: great software, silly name.
<jmi2k>Peter: I didn't try without UUID, because I'm installing it in a USB and device paths change. But I'll test it in a VM and see what happens.
<Petter>jmi2k: Yeah, I was only thinking to see if this is where the problem lies.
<buenouanq>jmi2k: if when you get this working, a explicit easy to follow write up would be very appreciated
<buenouanq>by more than just me I imagine
<Petter>Should there be a * here? (file-systems (cons* (file-system
<sovra1>lfam: thank you it works ;-) it was just a folder problem!
<Petter>I don't have one, but I only have one (file-system).
<lfam>You need asterisk if you are cons-ing more than one thing
<Petter>Oh ok, then that's not the problem.
<jmi2k>buenouanq: Fine, I don't have any problem in explaining the process if that helps :D
<buenouanq>awesome :3
<ng0>question. does anyone know why Sree Harsha stopped with the gnunet-fs guix task? At least it seems so after reading through the most obvious crosslinked threads from 2013 - 2014 on gnunet-devel and guix-devel
<ng0>if not, I'll send Sree Harsha an email asking about what went wrong
<ng0>we had some brainstorming today and came to similar results as the people involved in the threads from 2013 - now
<ng0>ng0, casually asking questions about a 3 years timespan :D
<lfam>You should try replying to the threads; the right people might not see this IRC chat
<lfam>ng0 ^
<ng0>at least ludovic was involved in the discussions, and maybe this can be chatted about tomorrow.
<lfam>Ah, good point :)
<ng0>otherwise I try to process the threads and CC Sree and other people
<ng0>our brainstorming process was independent from the threads, then I went through 3 years of threads and saw, hey.. they had good ideas, the right ideas, what happened?
<buenouanq>I see gnunet as being one of the most important free software projects currently in existence - I really hope they can pull it off.
<ng0>what we today went through involves gnunet-fs, gnunet-identity, and gnunet-gns all which are independent of the known to be sometimes broken (vpn, cadet) applications
<ng0>so it must be doable
<ng0>lfam: it's a bit unfortunate that I can#t be at the reproducible build gathering the next 3 days afterwards
<lfam>ng0: I hope they keep good notes so we can read what they learned
<ng0>lynX is there from us of secushare, but I wasn#t able to find someone for more than 2 days to watch for my cat
<lfam>Hi civodul!
<ng0>could've brough the cat to my friends family though.. but I didn't think of that before driving here
<civodul>hey lfam!
<civodul>Guten Abend!
<ng0>one more message and we have 31k messages in guix-devel in total
<lfam>civodul: I just finished testing the staging -> master merge by reconfiguring and rebooting my GuixSD system
<lfam>I also updated all my packages on a foreign distro. Seems to be working :)
<civodul>lfam: awesome!
<lfam>Should I push?
<civodul>i think so!
<lfam>Okay, here goes
<civodul>you can trigger an evaluation of master right after that
<amz3`>which would me a new hydra build of all the things?
<civodul>lfam: good thing, thanks for the work!
<civodul>lfam: we're almost on time compared to the initial schedule :-)
<lfam>civodul: Next time I'll be more aggressive about starting the initial staging evaluation on schedule :)
<lfam>We could have been done on time if I had done that
<lfam>amz3`: What do you mean?
<civodul>yeah, though we were having disk space issues
<civodul>that slowed things down noticeably
<civodul>but thanks to mark_weaver this seems to be fixed now :-)
<amz3`>lfam: I can't guix pull, and fail with the laste derivation which has importer in its name
<amz3`>anyway, it's time to go do bed. I 'll retry that tomorrow
<amz3`>ACTION goes to sleep
<lfam>civodul: There isn't any web page styling on This is new for me
<civodul>works for me
<civodul>but maybe the machine is loaded and it failed to serve the CSS file in a timely fashion
<lfam>civodul: Hm, can you start the new evaluation then?
<civodul>oh i have the CSS issue on now
<civodul>it's back
<civodul>evaluation scheduled!
<ng0>i'll try to test the rust build system v2 this month, but I'm not so sure about my schedule
<civodul>uh, returns 403?!
<civodul>is it just me?
<ng0>StoreDir: /gnu/store
<ng0>WantMassQuery: 0
<ng0>Priority: 100
<ng0>curl of the url
<lfam>civodul: How to reproduce?
<civodul>ah no, it's my shitty hotel network, grrr
<civodul>"content filtering"
<lfam>Filtering TLS traffic?
<civodul>i wish 'guix substitute' could use tor
<civodul>lfam: apparently yes
<lfam>I can't believe the hotel blocks TLS
<lfam>That's total malpractice
<civodul>i guess it's based on host names
<ng0>flixbus and bahn wifi are fun too
<ng0>replacing certificates :D
<civodul>i don't think they care that much about best practices
<lfam>It's far from "best", IMO, although I know what you mean. It's near the baseline of acceptable.
<lfam>How can guests check their bank account safely? Use their web-hosted email accounts?
<civodul>yeah that's nonsense
<civodul>at least certificate verification fails
<ng0> I'd like to add flixbus the next time I travel, and then translate. it's down the rabbithole of insecurities
<ng0>good night