<mark_weaver>(the machine I'm currently on, a mips64el box, doesn't have elogind, but I vaguely recall learning that elogind contains a program that, when passed a suitable subcommand, will suspend the machine)
<lostcoffee>mark_weaver: not seeing it in the man page, at least not immediately
<mark_weaver>lostcoffee: I found it in my logs. alezost said that "loginctl suspend" worked for him.
<mark_weaver>and I remember it working for me too. even run as my normal user.
<dvc>and what I mean by manage is that our university doesn't care about free software, so doing classwork with free alternatives can be a huge amount of extra work - I'll probably have to package quite a bit of software for class in the next couple of years. (kicad for example)
<ng0>:( citadel uses no version numbers for their release files. But I think they release slow enough that this doesn't matter
<dvc>you know what I had to listen too this week? our english for academic purposes teacher told us that wikipedia is full of crap and can't be taken seriously since anyone can write an article. I'm pretty sure she's never actually read a wikipedia article...
<jmd>What is the "replacement" field in package definitions?
<quigonjinn>dvc: I plan for packaging kicad for guixsd, soon enough hopefully
<ng0>well... i lost the links, but since the beginning wikipedia had flaws. i will dig those cases up again if you want to.
<dvc>ng0: weren't those cases related mostly to biographies? I'm sure it's not perfect and you have to read everything with a critical mind - if it's from wikipedia or from a scientific journal...
<ng0>tl;dr circle of false news travels fast. want to create a new species? consider it done with wikipedia whic hthen reeaches the international news, which then cites wikipedia, years later other news cite the news which do no longer cite wikipedia. .. happened before too often.
<ng0>no. one story i got firsthand, the others are in wikipedia magazine
<dvc>so did they have fake papers they referenced from the wikipedia article too?
<dvc>I think that scientific journals are expensive - and actually subscribing to one doesn't actually benefit the authors (don't know if that's true) and wikipedia in most cases does a pretty good job...
<ng0>i will come back to you when i find the link again.
<ng0>scientic journals are also oppiniated.. if they don't like your research you won't get published, and sometimes they are so terrible they just publish whatever.. see examples like 'take me off your fucking mailinglist' or what it was called
<jmd>And some are expensive. Others are free of charge.
<jmd>wikipedia is not a scientific journal and should not be treated as such.
<ng0>example are tests on animals, friend's a psychologist with other research backgrounds and there were studies and research that some cruel and brutal testing on animals are not even leading to any usable results, yet they are still used. most magazines did not 'believe' in the research so it got rejected.
<jmd>Most reputable journals have an ethics policy, and have a criteria that papers must demonstrate results which have not been previously published.
<jmd>There are some less reputable ones, but they probably haven't even been assigned an IF.
<dvc>jmd: On my arm machine? qemu fails to build so I can only use gc after it worked succesfully...
<dvc>jmd: building the same configuration with --no-grub --system=armhf-linux on my laptop causes a failure due to qemu too, but guix size the result when run without --system=armhf-linux doesn't include qemu, so it must be a native input somewhere...
<jmd>Well grub is the only thing I can see which has that. So I wonder if the --no-grub option is working properly?
<dvc>jmd: yes it's grub 1.3.1, it must be that - I already removed one hardcoded reference to grub - they might be others
<quigonjinn>I am packaging openocd. This package has libusb and libftdi as inputs, as do other flashing tools currently in guix. In my current system (guix on parabola), i am getting permission errors, when trying to use it. Can this be an issue of our libusb, which is being built with udev disabled?
<lfam>I haven't seen this failure before. I'm trying to build Bash 4.4 on core-updates. The compress-documentation phase succeeds, and then the build fails with "cycle detected in the references of `/gnu/store/fk15p13agmj5zcylp388m4kmmvgvfxmw-bash-4.4'"
<dvc>nice, looks like guixsd is coming together for electrical engineers. Has anyone looked at dannys yosys and iverilog patches yet?
<lfam>dvc: I wanted somebody with some domain knowledge to review them. But if enough time passes, I will just review them from the perspective of a Guix packager. If they don't work, I expect somebody with domain knowledge to complain :)
<snape>does anyone know how to setup a static ip address with connman?
<snape>oh nevermind, I'll use static-networking-service
<taylan>sad news: https://libreboot.org/gnu/ I'm guessing it won't have any effect on distros using libreboot though, since it will continue to be free software (even if they move away from the GPL...)
<Gottox>well, at least their unprofessional behavior killed my trust in libreboot.
<jmd>I certainly won't be ordering from minifree.org again.
<taylan>Gottox: issues of social justice can be very fierce and un-diplomatic. I'm not sure if ever in human history an oppressor class gave up its power over the oppressed through diplomacy. so, without knowing what really happened at the FSF, I'm absolutely withholding any judgment...