<doncatnip>magic ... copy pasting the same thing from another vim instance fixed it <lfam>doncatnip: There must be some mistake in your code. Can you share it? <lfam>I wonder if your editor actually put the changes on disk <lfam>I've had issues with Vim that point to something like that. I tell the editor to write the changes, but they don't actually get written to the file. <lfam>doncatnip: The hash is 1 character too short <doncatnip>oh man .. did you just count the characters ? ;) <lfam>The Guile backtrace gave me a hint and then I did `xclip | wc -c` :) <doncatnip>ERROR: In procedure bytevector-u8-ref: Value out of range: 31 <lfam>Yup to that error, not that you're blind :) <lfam>The error message is pretty far from "The hash is the wrong length." <doncatnip>yea its pretty mean ... such slack .. i should uninstall guix and not bother anymore <lfam>Also I've seen this one before, since I aliased 'jk' and 'kj' to ESC in Vim. So, there is always a probability that pasting the hashes will not work right :p <jeaye>ACTION uses jk and kj to ESC in vim as well. <lfam>jeaye: Then you know that sometimes it blows up :) <jeaye>Haven't had issues with it, aside from when I'm typing something that end with j or k and I want to then quickly exit insert mode. <lfam>Can anyone recommend a bittorrent daemon that can serve at least one thousand torrents? <lfam>I asked their developers more than once to start signing releases, and they ignored my requestes <doncatnip>although i wouldn't trust the anonymizing features anymore <lfam>Unfortunately, tribler is not white-listed by the tracker I use <lfam>Maybe I'll try deluge again. Last time I tried it was a few years ago <doncatnip>quite a shame transmission-cli used to be my primary choice <lfam>I didn't upgrade our package since the previous attack. I was waiting for them to start signing releases. Instead, this <doncatnip>the gnunet guys need to hurry up .. i'd like it to be de-facto standard for file sharing stuff <lfam>Of course deluge is no better. They give hashes over HTTP <lfam>Yes, maybe rtorrent in screen or tmux <lfam>Disturbing line to see in a changelog: <lfam> Build OSX.KeRanger.A ransomware removal into the app <lfam>Huh? In February transmission announced "bump OpenSSL minimum to v0.9.7", even though 0.9.8 was already end-of-life at the end of 2015 <doncatnip>mh one of the reports states it spread via a *signed* client <lfam>Yes, the OS X signature mechanism <lfam>So, somebody has control of transmission's OS X key for the special Apple binary signing system. <lfam>Somebody unauthorized, that is <lfam>By the way, what is 'mh'? <lfam>As in, "Oh what a headache! My head!" <lfam>I certainly don't. And I'm the only one ;) <buenouanq>why can't you have both %base-services and %desktop-services? I assume the latter contains them all, but what is actually causing it to break? <alezost>buenouanq: %desktop-services already contains %base-services, you can't have one service more than once <civodul>you reported success about rottlog a while back but i forgot to take notes :-) <janneke>almost...packdir needs to be set; changing to daily iso weekly is optional <janneke>...i think, havent tested the weekly only :-) <brendyn>honestly my locale settings are getting worse and worse the more I try to fix them. Can you believe I'm actually reading the manual now? <civodul>brendyn: maybe you should send the details of what you have on help-guix@gnu.org, and we can investigate from there <civodul>just report what doesn't work, and details about your setup <civodul>ideally the manual would help you, but apparently it doesn't ;-), so we need to investigate <brendyn>There is a 95% change it's 100% my fault <brendyn>How come when I r `guix environment --ad-hoc bash --pure -- bash' this command does not appear in my history. i.e, when I press up I get the second last command I ran instead <efraim>sneek: later tell lfam if you're still looking for a torrent client there's aria2, I have a package for an emacs client that needs testing and there's a web controller also <ng0__>hi, a short addition to my email: i asked kalithea and issues tracker is on the roadmap but not being worked on atm <ng0__>i have some further ideas i'll write when i'm on desktop again ***Gottox_ is now known as Gottox
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<nckx>brendyn on guix environment: for the same reason that running ‘bash; <up arrow>; exit’ won't show ‘bash’ as the last command. Whatever that reason is. The subshell is launched first, *then* the command is added to the history, effectively losing it. It's up to your shell, not guix. <brendyn>Some files say glp2+, but underneath the gpl notice is a permissive license notice. How am I supposed to indicate them in licenses? Is it just gpl2+? <efraim>but if you do we like to know what files have which licenses <brendyn>Yeah but I don't know what license this file is supposed to be when it's under the gpl but contains a permissive license notice that was required to be preserved <efraim>figuring out the license is sometimes the hard part <efraim>post a link, i'll help find something similar <brendyn>I'm pretty sure it's all libre software <efraim>civodul: I had an obvious idea about my aarch64 boards: if I can install guix armhf on the board and use it then the kernel is good and my patch is bad <efraim>the first is definately public domain <efraim>it looks like gpl2+ and lgpl-$(latest)+ <efraim>it just says to look at it, not that it is released under it <brendyn>ok so license:public-domain file://num/NUMrandom.cpp or something like that? <efraim>license:public-domain ; num/NUMrandom.cpp <brendyn>Maybe I'll take a look to see how debian packages it <brendyn>It seems they even have manuals and stuff. Maybe I have much more work to do <brendyn>Hmm, it would be nice if I could simply convert the debian package definition to a Guix one <efraim>feh, geeqie and sxiv are all image viewers and have their own files, eye of gnome is in gnome, and I have ephoto and viewnior packaged and looking for a home <efraim>time for an image-viewer equivelant of pdf.scm <efraim>either that or viewnior goes in viewnior.scm and ephoto goes in enlightenment.scm <brendyn>Is anyone working on a guix import debian ? <civodul>brendyn: ISTR someone (Alex Vong? Hartmut?) wrote an importer in Python <civodul>but nothing integrated in 'guix import' currently <brendyn>civodul: I just found that :) I came to realise that debian packages have already packaged praat much better than I have, so it's a shame to have to repeat everything <civodul>i think time has come to add "guile22-" variants of our "guile-" packages <davexunit>yeah would the prefix be "guile22-" or "guile2.2-" <civodul>i thought "guile22-" but we can probably safely use "guile2.2-" <davexunit>slight preference for 2.2 because it's more clear <dvc>mark_weaver: I tried epiphany, but it doesn't play back html5 video... <dvc>hopefully bavier will get icecat 45 beta working soon... :) <wingo>if it can't do it in guix, that's a guix problem :) <davexunit>dvc: you were trying to play a webm or something like an mp4? <kete>yeah, they don't work in tor browser either. <brendyn>debian seems to have a standard format for specifying license information with a lot of detail <kete>if you have enough javascript enabled <davexunit>I enable javascript but my browser still does not play them <efraim>civodul: I haven't unpacked my arm64 boards yet but I have a workdesk now where I can leave them out <janneke>anyone has adb running for their cm/android phone? <dvc>Yes, seems to be an issue with mp4... <dvc>wingo: Did you see the issue I opened on the elogind project in regard to weston? WDYT? <htgoebel>What is the best way to find out which license is the one used in some license-file? <htgoebel>I have one containing only a copyright note and a disclaimer like the original BSD license. But no rules like the BSD license, only the disclaimer. <htgoebel>How do i find the correct identifier for the `license` entry? <wingo>i think the answer would be to fix sd_session_get_vt, perhaps it needs to do something else <dvc>currently it reads the VTNR environment variable <dvc>Maybe it isn't set because "elogind doesn't manage vt's" <bavier>dvc: did you get any further on the icecat beta build? <dvc>bavier: I quit after you said you where working on it and mark suggested an alternative <brendyn>Is there any documentation on substitute* ? <bavier>brendyn: check the source in guix/build/utils.scm ***joachifm_ is now known as joachifm
<brendyn>Hmm why isn't that in my cloned repo? <brendyn>ok so for some reason my git repo only has two directories, build/ and src/ <brendyn>I wonder if I should be messing with build flags? <davexunit>brendyn: sounds like you've cloned the wrong repo <brendyn>davexunit: well I deleted everything and started again <brendyn>Debian adds all these flags like "g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security" should I be worrying about these? <brendyn>There was discussion about hardening on the guix mailing list <davexunit>I don't understand where this is coming from <davexunit>are you saying that debian's gcc automatically adds these flags? <davexunit>is this with regards to building the guix daemon? <brendyn>I mean, the debian version of praat has quite a lot of changes in debian <davexunit>we try to do the minimal number of changes required to make the software work <brendyn>Is it possible to build a good distro that way? <brendyn>Not for me. I've never build a distro before <davexunit>would you consider parabola or arch a good distro? <davexunit>part of their methodology is also to do minimal patching <davexunit>our feeling is that rather than holding onto a ton of patches, we should reduce the number of patches we need by contributing upstream. <brendyn>I agree, but it makes me wonder why debian isn't the same <brendyn>I would like to make a build twice and then compare the results. Do you have any tips for that ? I ran guix build rounds=2 but only one build was made in /tmp. I'm not sure it even built twice <kete>some maintainers and users think it's necessary to make the software work together in a system. (stability) I hate it <brendyn>My personal goal is to build a distro that Can be installed in schools <davexunit>brendyn: --rounds is the thing, like you've already found <davexunit>you should be able to use diffoscope on builds that differ <davexunit>the manual should hopefully have info about how to locate both builds <davexunit>kete: that's the whole point of a distro, though. :) <davexunit>we're also trying to make a whole bunch of software work together in a system <janneke>davexunit: i'll have a stab at building android-tools <brendyn>Well the output of diffoscope makes no sense to me <kete>once, I read Apache's ~how to undo what Debian did~ or "Debork" <jmd>Whilst running guix system reconfigure, I saw: <brendyn>haha, diffoscope just showed me I'm stupid and my patch didn't work :) <jmd>rafting '/gnu/store/alpwlmp3hrb2fnn26dysfmavdymidr2d-libcanberra-0.30' -> '/gnu/store/xn2j8qgj05vhdzm4xdxz5ps8269v4963-libcanberra-0.30'... <jmd>** (inkscape:4): WARNING **: Unable to create profile directory (Permission denied) (13) <jmd>** Message: Cannot create profile directory /homeless-shelter/.config/inkscape. <jmd>** Message: Inkscape will run with default settings, and new settings will not be saved. <jmd>** (inkscape:4): WARNING **: Could not create extension error log file '/homeless-shelter/.config/inkscape/extension-errors.log' <jmd>Background RRGGBBAA: ffffff00 <jmd>Area 0:0:1024:768 exported to 1024 x 768 pixels (90 dpi) <jmd>Bitmap saved as: /gnu/store/fxwhblb2ql9q75m1vy6x7r2fphrd18dl-grub-image.png <jmd>Oh dear. and later it bombs out altogether. ***detrout is now known as detrout_
<doncatnip>ohman didn't realize the lua dynamic lib support issue has been going on for a year now ... discouraging <brendyn>How can I test out a (substitute* ...) in a repl? <brendyn>but substitute* doesn't seem to exist even after I run ,use(guix) <davexunit>that's because the (guix) module doesn't export it <doncatnip>i was about to write that .. nice, progress, by tomorrow i'm guile expert <davexunit>if you can get the hang of those, you can learn everything else. <brendyn>It's hard to ask help because I'll be stuck on something for house and people are like "RTFM" <doncatnip>welp im coming from python so those parentheses are quite intemidating <brendyn>I think the idea is to pretend the parens don't exist <davexunit>I do think there's lots of questions asked that people could answer themselves, and I'd like to focus on teaching to fish than rather than just give them a fish. <doncatnip>still can't really make sense out of the use of ` and #:constructs <davexunit>similar to how 'foo is the symbol named "foo" <davexunit>` is the "quasiquote" operator. to understand it, you should first be familar with the ' operator called "quote" <davexunit>doncatnip: is this about the keyword syntax? <davexunit>keywords are used for procedures with keyword arguments, yes. <davexunit>but they are a first-class data type that you can use for whatever reason you'd like <davexunit>the 'define*' and 'lambda*' macros allow you to make procedures that have optional or keyword arguments <brendyn>Maybe I shouldn't have this in the source part <brendyn>cd-hit has a similar thing, but it's in modify-phases <davexunit>brendyn: snippets are used for things like removing non-free parts of source releases <davexunit>so that the source code that the user sees is only free software <davexunit>this feature was implemented in order to meet the FSF's free distribution guidelines <brendyn>Man this is annoying. I'm still getting the date printed in the output <brendyn>and it's about 10 minutes to test it and rebuild. guile promised me a repl :( <brendyn>I don't even know what the working directory is or if guile even has a working directory <davexunit>I told you how to import the module that has 'substitute*' at the repl <davexunit>from there you can test your substitution on a temporary file <davexunit>run (getcwd) to get the current working directory <davexunit>from your guix git checkout, run './pre-inst-env guile' to start a REPL <davexunit>a REPL that has all of the guix modules on its load path <davexunit>I can evaluate that code at my repl once I import that module <efraim>I just realized we don't have cowsay <brendyn>Maybe prepending / doesn't make it start from / <davexunit>brendyn: is it *really* the same error? it shouldn't be a syntax error <davexunit>I get file not found, because of course I don't have such a file on my system <brendyn>Maybe it's because I pasted the definitions from utils.scm into the repl and they errored <brendyn>so I've overridden everything with borked code <jmd>brendyn: If you're in tas, isn't it rather early in the morning for you? <jmd>time to feed the echidnas I think. <brendyn>I had a kangaroo burger yesterday actually <jmd>roos are over the whole continent. I thought there you ate the tassy devils. <brendyn>Now what I suspect is that the string of text I've got is somehow incorrect <brendyn>tassy devils are all dying of cancer so there are efforts to preserve them <brendyn>probably they will eat you first anyway <jmd>like the tassies tiger? <brendyn>No we shot all the tassie tigers, and all the aboriginals <brendyn>I'm not sure there are many other places in the world to actually complete a genocide <brendyn>Ok so the string I've provided in the regex doesn't actually match the line in the comment <brendyn>Can you see why? I can see how I've missed a space or anything <brendyn>I tested it with just "TIME" and it works <brendyn>_ aren't special characters? no missing space? I can't see it <brendyn>Ok, I think ( need to be proceeded by \\\\ <jmd>That's the way it is. They have special meaning unless escaped. <jmd>Somewhere, I think there is a version of substitute which interprets all characters literally. <jmd>Unfortunately I cannot remember what it is called. <brendyn>It's a wonder we aren't using Scheme regexp <brendyn>Amazing, It was actually built reproducibly! Guix should congratulate the user when this happens <davexunit>we should have 'guix build' play a little jingle or open up a gif in your web browser <brendyn>davexunit: I sent the updated patch to the mailing list :) <brendyn>davexunit: Can you tell me if the patch is malformed again? <paroneayea>looks like it's time to get out another CVE fix, or we'll have *no* secure GUI browsers <janneke>ACTION sent a package/hack to build adb to -devel <cbaines>I'm using Notmuch in Emacs on GuixSD, and getting some issues with font rendering as I'm seeing the unicode replacement character in the tree view, does anyone have any advice? <paroneayea> http://bouk.co/blog/hacking-developers/ shows how to use DNS rebinding and cross-protocol scripting to use a developer's browser to take or modify their local data (basically: rebind foo.org to be 127.0.0.1, and that "runs on localhost only" unauthenticated HTTP API you have can now be snarfed) <paroneayea>could be also interesting if you know someone is using %facebook-host-aliases :) <efraim>i just realized I'd been sitting on a patch to package python-requests-mock, and all I had to do was upgrade the package in openstack.scm ***malthe_ is now known as malthe
<kete>cbaines, have you installed a font? I haven't done much since installing GuixSD, and I think I need to install a font. <cbaines>kete, I have a few fonts installed, and haven't configured emacs (to my knowledge) to use a specific one <kete>do you need to ask #emacs? <davexunit>bummer, a piece of software I packaged has changed from GPLv2 to a proprietary license. <davexunit>I don't even know if they have the legal authority to do it (maybe there's a CLA, dunno), but they did. <sneek>Welcome back lfam, you have 1 message. <sneek>lfam, efraim says: if you're still looking for a torrent client there's aria2, I have a package for an emacs client that needs testing and there's a web controller also <lfam>davexunit: Which one, out of curiosity? <davexunit>"GPL is about “giving everything to the user” and asking for nothing." <davexunit>"That kind of mentality might contribute to the destruction of the software" <davexunit>aseprite had some neat features, but lacked some things I took for granted with gimp <lfam>LOL. They blame Heartbleed on free licenses <lfam>I don't understand that part of their argument. But, I'm prejudiced against their conclusion, so I can't really give a fair reading. And, as they say, English is not their first language. <davexunit>they seem to have gotten frustrated with distros packaging aseprite and circumventing the paywall for binaries <lfam>Our package is still a few versions behind ;) <davexunit>I have some qualms about all the bundled software aseprite uses, too. <davexunit>I unbundled a good amount, but they bundled and forked allegro 4 <lfam>Maybe it's time to donate to GIMP what Aseprite wants to charge ;) <davexunit>I would like it if I could fund specific features of software <lfam>My turn, too. I've used GIMP at work a few times recently <rekado>I wonder if it would be a good idea or a bad idea if distributions provided a way for users to financially support software authors. <davexunit>like I would be happy to fund someone that wanted to add more tools for pixel artists to gimp <lfam>rekado: Hm, tricky to implement but, in general, I think it's a good idea <davexunit>rekado: someone brought that up here recently. <davexunit>I think it might be nice, if presented in the right way. <lfam>But, I have a big bias in favor of commercial support for free software. I think it's essential in the long run. <lfam>Not that I have much evidence or experience to back up this bias ;) <rekado>lfam: I find it puzzling that there aren’t more companies that offer support for selected free software applications. <davexunit>for me, rather than just donate money into the "whatever" fund, I'm more interested in projects that present certain goals or features and ask for money to get them done. <lfam>davexunit: Seems like a good way to rustle up support <rekado>davexunit: I find this really difficult. It doesn’t always work this way. <rekado>ardour, for example, has something like that. <lfam>One could even hire a developer, with the blessing of the project maintainers, to work on a feature <rekado>people would pledge to donate money if MIDI support was added. <davexunit>like with guix I'm happy to give money for the purpose of growing the build farm <rekado>this took several years and the total amount was tiny. <davexunit>I don't know what the right way to do it is exactly <lfam>rekado: So, it was not that successful? <rekado>the problem with funding is that it’s usually not enough to let a developer rely on it. <lfam>Speaking of our build farm, what is the status of the new machine? <rekado>Paul usually struggles to get enough donations / subscription money, with little spikes after releases. <davexunit>which is why I don't free software full time <rekado>I do free software full time, but I admit it’s an unusual position. <rekado>I once had high hopes for flattr. <lfam>Even if the new machine is still not online, I think we should make a public update soon. I'd hate for donors to be wondering "What happened to my money?" <davexunit>there's a pool of people that continually sustain the software <rekado>lfam: agreed. I don’t know what the current status is, but I haven’t yet see the end of the long list of unread email… <lfam>"Where are my millions?" ;) <doncatnip>can anyone confirm gdk-pixbuf failing with rounds=2 in current master ? <lfam>doncatnip: If it fails rounds=2 for you, it almost certainly fails rounds=2 for everybody <lfam>For now, reproducible packages are a very good thing, but not required. We don't have the infrastructure to track the reproducibility state of packages yet <doncatnip>right .. well, i didn't break it ;) but i guess you should know <lfam>I guess we'd need to make the build farm build everything twice, and add some fields to the database to track the results <lfam>And add another "fail" state that is different from a regular build failure <lfam>Oh, notabug is offline. Save that link :) <lfam>Yes, but it seems that none of us want to work on it <lfam>Yes. It was a Google Summer of Code project this year. The source repo may be offline, but there is some good discussion on the guix-devel archives, if you are interested. <efraim>24*7 = 28 * 6 = 20 * 8, go ahead and choose how long you want to sleep each "day" <doncatnip>i was thinking about trying polyphasic sleep <doncatnip>but its pretty incompatible to the rest of the world <lfam>I think you really can't have a job and do the crazy sleep systems <civodul>funny name, but the thing is super well written! <efraim>master has 1.32, 1.33 is safe according to debian <civodul>'guix lint -c cve libidn' has nothing to say :-/ <efraim>cvedetails.com doesn't have anything to say either <efraim>i haven't checked mitre but i assume they're not saying anything yet either <efraim>might just need to keep an eye on it for a few days and see where we stand <mark_weaver>dvc: to support mp4 files, you need to install gst-libav <mark_weaver>epiphany absolutely supports playing videos, including mp4 videos. I do it regularly. <mark_weaver>dvc: you'll also need to export GST_PLUGIN_PATH=$HOME/.guix-profile/lib/gstreamer-1.0 <civodul>we should modify the GNU maintainer's guide to suggests maintainers email us about security issues... <mark_weaver>(although that should be handled automatically on GuixSD) <bavier>efraim: gsl 2.2.1 was released, if you update again, could you check the build for i686? <bavier>I noticed the 2.2 version ftbfs for i686, which prevents system reconfiguration <civodul>we really need to avoid inkscape there <civodul>this was discussed a while back with mark_weaver <civodul>because of the checkerboard pattern, right? <civodul>but then we got a new SVG that should be convertable, IIRC <mark_weaver>yeah, although it made a SVG quite large, and it just didn't seem like a great solution. <mark_weaver>but if you want to switch to the new SVG that he hacked up, I'm okay with that. I don't feel strongly. <civodul>yeah, it might be a tradeoff we have to make <mark_weaver>I would prefer to avoid inkscape, but I don't feel compelled to do so. <civodul>it's only a problem when binaries are missing, or in similar situations <mark_weaver>if inkscape doesn't build on any of our platforms, that's a problem that should be addressed, independent of its use generating the grub background. <dvc>mark_weaver: Thanks, I'll try that. <dvc>mark_weaver: Is js disabled by default on epiphany guix? <mark_weaver>there's been a beta release of icecat 45, but there are no digital signatures on either the source or binary releases :-( <bavier>I tried building the icecat beta, but hit a configuration error regarding the branding <dvc>So somethings wrong. I'm getting typeerror blah is undefined in the developer console. <mark_weaver>such a vague problem report is not something I can do anything with <bavier>I didn't mean it as a bug report, just a status update <mark_weaver>bavier: thanks for working on it. I myself am not willing to touch it until either I have a signed source tarball or the updated icecat script is pushed to the savannah gnuzilla repo. at this point, all we have is a huge unsigned source tarball. <dvc>for example youtube does that work for you? (after following your steps above) <dvc>TypeError: this.b.load is not a function. (In 'this.b.load()', 'this.b.load' is undefined) <dvc>that's what I get... <mark_weaver>dvc: earlier, you mentioned that html5 video didn't work. so I guess that indicates that epiphany mostly works? or mostly worked in the past? <mark_weaver>and what, if anything, works properly with epiphany for you? <dvc>well I haven't used it that much yet. <dvc>it shows my gmail email and wikipedia/stackoverflow... <dvc>I get the error whenever I press the play button on youtube <mark_weaver>dvc: is this on GuixSD, or Guix running on top of another distro? <dvc>so that might be the problem - I've had glitches before... <mark_weaver>epiphany, like most gnome apps, depends upon various daemons and services. in your case, those daemons and services are from NixOS <mark_weaver>maybe NixOS is on a different major version of GNOME than we are. the version mismatch might be bad. <dvc>so what's our release cycle like? when is core-updates getting merged? :) <mark_weaver>dvc: there's a nasty blocker in core-updates: newer versions of gcc (even 4.9.4) are failing to bootstrap on armhf. <dvc>ah yes you told me about it before... or did you get further on the issue? <bavier>civodul: I saw the -real behavior with a zsh script I packaged recently <civodul>i'm discovering i'm more ignorant than i thought actually ;-) <civodul>i thought the only options to find the program name were argv[0] and /proc <civodul>but it seems python uses something else <civodul>yeah, but it doesn't use /proc at all AFAICS <efraim>gsl-2.2.1 failed to build for me for i686 <bavier>efraim: for me it was a numerical inaccuracy issue in the cholesky test suite <efraim>i sent it through a second time, don't remember the issue mine had <bavier>I didn't have time to look into how the tests compare expected vs actual results <mark_weaver>I looked, and the differences were quite significant. <bavier>mark_weaver: on my machine, the differences where very small, less than 10e-8 <bavier>mark_weaver: oh cool, at least our "wrong" answers are the same ;) <efraim>oh, mine failed on core-updates, not sure why I tried it there 