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<mark_weaver>sneek: forget cehteh: yes, that
<sneek>Consider it forgotten.
<mark_weaver>sneek: botsnack
<mark_weaver>(silly bot)
<quiliro>it has been 15 minutes since it downloaded a 1.5 MB package and i see no changes
<quiliro>but i can see there is cpu usage going up and down
<quiliro>is it normal?
<quiliro>the package is cutter
<mark_weaver>15 minutes? no, that's not normal
<mark_weaver>what command are you running?
<quiliro>the package is clutter
<mark_weaver>I know, but what command are you running that downloaded clutter?
<quiliro>guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt
<quiliro>-- fallback
<mark_weaver>ah, well, that's an expensive operation. maybe 15 minutes is not so surprising
<quiliro>forgot that last part
<mark_weaver>is it an older machine?
<quiliro>no, it has been 2 hours
<quiliro>6 cores 8 GB Ram
<mark_weaver>are you in the GuixSD installer?
<mark_weaver>USB installer, I mean?
<mark_weaver>well, you might go into another terminal, and see whether any processes are using CPU, or what.
<mark_weaver>could be a network problem, I suppose
<mark_weaver>but from another terminal you could investigate more
<quiliro>network problem it was
<quiliro>should i ctrl+c and then repeat operation?
<quiliro> continues
<quiliro>mark_weaver: thank you very much
<mark_weaver>you're welcome!
<ng0>get ready for ultimate sadness:
<ng0>( )
<jlicht>ng0: the humanity!
<kivoduletahi>damn u all goats
<kivoduletahi>won't install your crap
<lfam>Good grief
<cehteh>told ya, don't be religious about free software, see what that leads too ;)
<quiliro>is it normal to install guixsd more than 5 hours
<quiliro>the time it takes
<quiliro>i have started at 15h30 and now it is 18h45
<cehteh>depends on your hardware and internet connection, moon phase and hydras mood of the day
<quiliro>except for 30 minutes that the link was down
<quiliro>a lot of compilation
<quiliro>it is a 6 core 8 GB RAM
<cehteh>it shouldnt build stuff or at least not much, something is bad there, that will take a eternity
<quiliro>wouldn't it be good to have anyone that compiled it first to offer the binary in a p2p fashion?
<quiliro>used --fallback
<cehteh>hydra should do that, but i cant tell much more havent installed it recently
<cehteh>it would be nice if the store could be served by bittorrent or ipfs or any other p2p system ..
<quiliro>it would be even better that there would always be a binary version of all packages
<quiliro>or a way to save them for all installations
<quiliro>instead of having them be compiled by each machine
<quiliro>or, once a package has been compiled, it could be uploaded to the server
<quiliro>so the binary be downloaded by all new installations that need it
<quiliro>better even that but in a p2p fashion
<cehteh>there should be binary versions .. but the server cant keep that much and is often overloaded
<quiliro>but that is no problem in a p2p environment
<ng0>i hope to solve the problem a bit with gnunet-fs publish/pull.. though even if it's just adding some pieces and stitching together what exists, it still needs time to realize :)
<ng0>quiliro: did you run guix pull before you ran the guix system init?
<quiliro>the guixsd manual did not say so
<quiliro>ng0: it is a brand new installation
<ng0>yes it does not say so, but that's what i do for brand new isntallations
<ng0>run guix pull directly before the system init
<davexunit>yes it's wise to run 'guix pull'
<quiliro>i stopped the installation and ran guix pull now}
<quiliro>the manual should say so
<quiliro>don't you think it would be good?
<mark_weaver>I think the proper solution is to ensure that hydra keeps a full set of substitutes for released versions until sometime after the following release.
<mark_weaver>there are pros and cons to running guix pull from the USB installer before 'guix system init'
<mark_weaver>on the plus side, your system is freshly patched from its first boot, with the latest security updates and fixes.
<mark_weaver>but, it might not be fully built out, and you might have to do a bunch of compiling
<mark_weaver>for example, if you chose to install a desktop system, there's a good change you could end up compiling webkitgtk for many hours from the USB installer
<mark_weaver>when using the stable release version for the initial install, we can reliably ensure that hydra keeps those binaries. even if we're not doing it now, that can be fixed.
<mark_weaver>and, of course, if you run guix pull, and some build you need is broken, your "guix system init" might suffer a build failure. then you're stuck.
<mark_weaver>on balance, I suspect that it's usually better to recommend running 'guix system init' with the release version of guix packages, and then to update from within the installed system.
<mark_weaver>except for users who need a more recent fix
<cehteh>there isnt some way to make an orthogonal snapshot on packages (remember snapshots on CVS?) on hydra?
<jlicht>rekado: your proposed recursive importer for cran has made me a really happy camper w.r.t npm imports. Thanks a bunch!
<quiliro>i have a problem with grub
<quiliro>at the end of guix system init
<quiliro>guix system error: failed to install grub on device '/dev/sdx'
<quiliro>....sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a grub drive for /dev/sdX. check your device map.
<quiliro>It is in this order:
<quiliro> /gnu/store/..............-grub-2.00/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdX. Check your
<quiliro>guix system error: failed to install gGRUB on device '/dev/sdX'
<quiliro>some one have an idea how to install grub correctly'
<quiliro>It was an error on /etc/config.SCM
<quiliro>working desktop installation!
<quiliro>what do you suggest to add to desktop installation?
***grinhaus is now known as wgreenhouse
<dpg23>ng0: Hey, I was told you were involved with the GNUNet project, can you give a rundown (or links) on how it differs from Freenet or Tor?
<dpg23>I managed to get offloading to work now, so thanks everyone for that.
<quiliro>i would like to run gnome-control-center
<quiliro>but it will not start
<quiliro>how can i investigate the reason?
<pksadiq>quiliro: try running using terminal. Also enable verbose output: gnome-control-center --verbose
<quiliro>error while loading shared libraries
<quiliro>something about file too short
<quiliro>pksadiq: should i guix package -u libavahi ?
<pksadiq>quiliro: I'm not a guix user, but a gnome user. Still you can try. ☺
<quiliro>guix package -i gnome-control-center fixed everything
<quiliro>pksadiq: your suggestion was useful
<quiliro>pksadiq: now since you are a gnome user...your help is important now....
<quiliro>there is no logout way from gnome...only from xfce
<quiliro>how can i log out of gnome?
<pksadiq>quiliro: what you get running 'gnome-session-quit' command? (You may get logged out if running right)
<quiliro>pksadiq: yes!
<pksadiq>Are you running gnome-shell?
<quiliro>now how can i log out using the gnome interface
<quiliro>gnome 3....i guess yes
<pksadiq>OK, click the top-right most menu (with power and sound icons) → your user-name → log out
<quiliro>there is no logout
<quiliro>only off, reboot
<quiliro>and the control-panel
<quiliro>and volume slider
<quiliro>pksadiq: how can i install all of gnome
<quiliro>i typed
<quiliro>guix package -i gnome
<quiliro>i don't have all that
<quiliro>only the first and the last
<quiliro>without the screen lock icon
<quiliro>perhaps i am missing some package installed
<pksadiq>Hm.. That's weird. Don't know how good guix is for gnome.
<quiliro>because i lack also the keyboard distribution settings
<pksadiq>I don't know the package name for gnome. And I don't have a guix system to check. May be someone will help you.
<quiliro>i only have the shortcut configurations not the distributions
<quiliro>thanks for your previous help
<pksadiq>quiliro: what is the output of: gsettings get always-show-log-out
<pksadiq>Hm.. do this: gsettings set always-show-log-out true
<pksadiq>If You still don't get the logout try Alt+F2 and type 'r' <enter>
<quiliro> it does nothing
<quiliro>even though that message appears
<quiliro>the message is "restarting"
<quiliro>then it disappear
<quiliro>and that is it
<quiliro>all the same
<pksadiq>Hm.. that should have done the trick. Do you wish to try installing extensions:
<pksadiq>If you can bear keyboard shortcuts, you may also assign some keyboard short cut for gnome-session-quit
<pksadiq>go to the above url using gnome web. You will be able to install the extension
***tschwing_ is now known as tschwinge
<civodul>Hell Guix!
<civodul>howdy efraim
<efraim>there was that file-sharing program written in go posted in IRC yesterday, there's also
<efraim>also i'm about to run out of space grafting texlive-texmf-2016 after having timed out twice already
<civodul>bah, that is terrible
<civodul>mark_weaver: we need your faster grafting code! :-)
<efraim>/dev/sda8 40184184 39477424 280788 100% /gnu
<efraim>i'll work on onionshare more later, here's what I have so far
<efraim>hey it finished! real 148m51.416s
<civodul>efraim: woohoo, cool!
<efraim>(properties `((max-silent-time . 9600))) ; don't time out while grafting , yea or nay for texlive-texmf
<civodul>efraim: there's a command-line option too
<efraim>i know, i made a math error and set mine to 20 hours while I was building it, but it seems to be one that regularly times out, especially on nfs mounts
<civodul>yeah, terrible terrible
<civodul>we also need a modular texlive package
<efraim>we'd have to download the full source and then build each piece in its own package and make sure they didn't conflict with each other if more than 1 were installed
<quiliro>what gui software can i use tyo install other operating systems by way of virtualization
<ng0>i get t he feeling dpg23 is in a different timezone^^
<ng0>later tell dpg23: I'd like to tell you more, but with our possibly differing timezones/availability your best shot is either our (SecuShare) chat on (see for an how to connect) or #gnunet here
<ng0>sneek later tell dpg23: I'd like to tell you more, but with our possibly differing timezones/availability your best shot is either our (SecuShare) chat on (see for an how to connect) or #gnunet here
<sneek>Will do.
<efraim>sneek: botsnack
<efraim>have to keep him happy :)
<ng0>can i pass more than 1 sentence to sneek?
<efraim>if it spills over into a new chat entry you have to "wrap" that one in "sneek later tell"
<efraim>and you can pass multiple messages
<ng0>i think this one is enough.. psyced handles delayed messages better
<ng0>i could break it down to a very minimum and say that GNUnet is politicaly motivated from the very beginning (, but the differences are not just passed in a 1-2 sentence sneek query.
<quiliro>hello...what gui software can i use tyo install other operating systems by way of virtualization?
<quiliro>i use qemu-launcher
<quiliro>but guix lacks that package
<ng0>quiliro: you could try and package it :)
<ng0>but qemu itself isn't hard through for example a bash script to start machines. that's how i do it when i need it
<ng0>we need more .desktop files... or gnome doesn't pick them up. xterm has none.
<ng0>a general way to generate them would be nice, and not construct them each time they are missing.
<quiliro>ng0: hi...thank you for your response...i am still learning how to use guixsd and i cannot package yet......could you help me with a link that teaches how to boot a usb containing my own guixsd boot in order to run it in qemu_
<civodul>quiliro: if you've already installed Guix, this should help:
<ng0>usb i don't know, just direct images
<civodul>efraim: what's the status of libarchive/cmake on core-updates? i lost track of it :-)
<efraim>cmake fails that one test with cmake 3.4.3, 3.5.0 and 3.5.2
<efraim>i haven't yet tried a different version of libarchive
<efraim>there's also cmake 3.6.0rc2 but I assume that it wouldn't make a difference
<civodul>oh so cmake itself doesn't build?
<efraim>the error is CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:75 (message):
<efraim> LibArchive_FOUND is set but version number variable LibArchive_VERSION is
<efraim> NOT DEFINED
<efraim>we have 3.2.0, looks like 3.2.1 was released at some point
<efraim>2 days ago
<civodul>that's an error when building libarchive, not when building cmake, right?
<civodul>we should try 3.2.1 i guess
<civodul>would you be able to give it a try?
<efraim>sure, I can get it started in a few minutes, but it takes me about 2 hours to build cmake
<ng0>quiliro: imo understanding is optional and comes through learning, for me this worked while I started looking at other packages and pick an easy one which wasn't there yet, or even just look at the .scm files to see what it all does :)
<quiliro>civodul: thank you...will read
<quiliro>ng0: how to run os images?
<ng0>if the qemu documentation doesn't cover it, the gentoo wiki does :)
<ng0>or I can pastebin my script, which isn't general purpose yet
<quiliro>ng0: please paste
<ng0>not included: how to create a disk
<quiliro>downloaded gnu-system-demo-0.6.qcow2.xz
<jlicht>\\o guix
<quiliro>will be able to boot with qemu-system-x86_64 ?
<quiliro>under guix
<ng0> (or
<ng0>understanding is mandatory, damage not covered.
<ng0>not that iot damaged something here, just saying :)
<quiliro>ng0: thanks
<quiliro>will analize and test
<quiliro>will gnu-system-demo-0.6.qcow2.xz need to be decompressed previously?
<davexunit>hehe a twitter bot picked up a guix commit
<quiliro>why can/t epiphany handle html5?
<davexunit>it can?
<quiliro>davexunit: it will not
<quiliro>perhaps i lack webm?
<davexunit>I think you need to be more descriptive. what exactly doesn't work. html5 is a big specification and the various browsers support different features
<davexunit>epiphany uses webkit
<davexunit>and webkit certainly supports html5 features
<quiliro>perhaps i need libvpx
<quiliro_>i closed down my epiphany by mistake
<quiliro>hi again
<quiliro>ng0: get htis message from your script: Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory failed to initialize KVM: No such file or directory
<quiliro>it is strange because lsmod show kvm present
<quiliro>$ lsmod | grep kvm
<quiliro>kvm 573440 0
<quiliro>irqbypass 16384 1 kvm
<quiliro>same problem in root
<civodul>quiliro: what does "ls -l /dev/kvm" show?
<ng0>don't know, can't help. this was a script written on gentoo with my own kernel.
<ng0>i noticed we don't have libgnomekbd, or am i wrong?
<ng0>gkbd-keyboard-display command does not exist
<ng0>i assume it's part of libgnomekbd
<Illya>How can I run guix in virtualbox?
<Illya>Ah. Got it working by reordering the disks
<efraim>libarchive/test/test_write_format_gnutar_filenames.c:58:2: note: use option -std=c99, -std=gnu99, -std=c11 or -std=gnu11 to compile your code
<efraim>anyone know how to set this? configure flag?
<efraim>i'd rather set it than disable the test
<civodul>efraim: presumably #:configure-flags '("-std=c99")
<civodul>#:configure-flags '("CFLAGS=-O2 -g -std=c99")
<civodul>i'm surprised libarchive's build system doesn't do it already
<efraim>the other options are what? c89 and c03? 1y?
<civodul>c89, c11, and the GNU variants
<civodul>doesn't matter anyway ;-)
<civodul>ACTION hopefully unbroke evaluation on 'master'
<efraim>testing in production? :)
<quiliro>hello again
<quiliro>machine is hanging
<quiliro>with guixsd
<pksadiq>quiliro: hello
<quiliro>pksadiq: \\o
<quiliro>Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory failed to initialize KVM: No such file or directory
<quiliro>why is this when running qemu
<efraim>... and I even chose a font where zero has a dot in it. -02 doesn't give the same results as -O2
<pksadiq>quiliro: have you enabled virtualisation in BIOS? any debug message with: dmesg | grep -i kvm ?
<quiliro>dmesg | grep -i kvm
<quiliro>it is diabled by bios...i don't find where to abilitate it
<quiliro>kvm: disabled by bios
<pksadiq>quiliro: look into your bios settings. You will find it somewhere
<quiliro>pksadiq: thanks, will reboot and be back then
<civodul>efraim: kinda, i'm afraid ;-)
<civodul>the interface to create Hydra jobs sucks somewhat
<quiliro>pksadiq: the bios was in fact disabling virtualization
<quiliro>now the error is:
<quiliro>Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied failed to initialize KVM: Permission denied
<pksadiq>quiliro: try again: dmesg | grep -i kvm ? any other debug messages
<quiliro>kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled kvm: Nested Paging enabled
<quiliro>pksadiq: now it is activated
<quiliro>my command is qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 4096M -hda '/media/cesar/Descargas/trisquel_7.0_amd64.iso'
<quiliro>as normal user
<quiliro>not as root
<pksadiq>quiliro: Now its guix's turn. Some else should help you :)
<davexunit>quiliro: your user needs to have permission to access KVM
<davexunit>running as root is a quick way to get that to work
<quiliro>davexunit: how do i add my user to the group authorized to use kvm
<ng0>bsd-2 and bsd-3 are okay. original bsd not? I have to check if this bsd is new bsd
<paroneayea>I have python-3.5 building!
<pksadiq>quiliro: is kvm listed in groups: groups | grep kvm . If not, use adduser: # adduser $(id -un) kvm
<ng0>though it's also mirrored and probably packaged by debian, so netcat by openbsd will be probably alright
<quiliro>pksadiq: command does not exist
<quiliro>-bash: adduser: no se encontró la orden
<quiliro>-bash: adduser: command not found
<pksadiq>quiliro: may be useradd/usermod? see then man pages
<quiliro>neither is installed
<quiliro>qemu in fact works as root
<quiliro>i used to do vigr
<quiliro>but it is not installed in guixsd
<quiliro>how to install adduser or vigr?
<efraim>civodul: libarchive built successfully with -std=c99
<efraim>i added a note, next to test cmake
<civodul>efraim: excellent, thanks a lot!
<quiliro>cannot add users to groups
<quiliro>cannot find vigr or adduser
<quiliro>they are not installed and cannot find the package that contains them
<pksadiq>quiliro: I think there is a shadow package that provides usermode. I think this should be installed by default. try sudo usermod
<quiliro>nano /etc/group`would not work ither
<bavier>quiliro: were you ever able to get your wifi card working? just curious.
<quiliro>by adding the user to the kvm group
<quiliro>bavier: that machine is damaged now
<quiliro>thank you for asking.....what a good memory
<bavier>quiliro: oh, sorry to hear about your machine
<quiliro>bavier: thank you
<quiliro>as long as there is freedom!
<quiliro>bavier: do you happen to know how to modify group members in guixsd?
<quiliro>i am trying to run qemu as user but it will not unless i am root
<bavier>quiliro: section 7.2.5 of the manual
<quiliro>and i cannot find adduser, usermod or vigr on guix
<bavier>you can declare the groups of a particular user in the system config
<quiliro>oh...that's right
<quiliro>i will check that
<bavier>quiliro: e.g. I have "kvm" in supplementary-groups in my config
<quiliro>guix system reconfigure config.scm
<bavier>quiliro: indeed
<quiliro>bavier: is installing now
<davexunit>civodul: just ran into the nondetermninistic module compilation bug while trying to build a newer guix snapshot package :/
<davexunit>building it a second time worked.
<paroneayea>python 3.5 working, and python 3.4 too.
<paroneayea>ACTION submits patches to list
<paroneayea>patches sent.
<davexunit>guix substitute: error: download from '' failed: 410, "Gone"
<davexunit>does someone have to purge the bad thing from the cache when this happens or something?
<civodul>ACTION looks
<civodul>davexunit: which Guix commit is it from?
<civodul>410 comes from Hydra (the software) itself, not from nginx
<davexunit>civodul: this is from the 0.10 release
<civodul>that's what we get when the thing isn't in store
<civodul>ah, ok
<davexunit>probably not a big deal, then.
<civodul>annoying, though
<davexunit>I'm using an "old" guix whilst trying to bootstrap a machine
<civodul>it means that these binaries have vanished from everywhere
<davexunit>which will then upgrade to a new noe
<davexunit>yeah :(
<wingo>should i backport the split-and-decode-uri-path thing to 2.0?
<wingo>the /foo+bar/
<wingo>maybe peope are relying on + being incorrectly decoded to space
<civodul>so was it incorrect?
<civodul>i wondered?
<quiliro>I'M BACK
<wingo>it is correct for application/www-url-form-encoded or whatever
<quiliro>and it worked very well
<wingo>ah, wrong channel for me :)
<wingo>ACTION -> guile
<bavier>quiliro: good to hear
<quiliro>finally i could boot as user with qemu
<quiliro>but i could not install because i have not defined something i don't know
<davexunit>civodul: it's weird how it thought there was a substitute available when there in fact was not.
<quiliro>i could boot the installation usb
<quiliro>not usb
<quiliro>will -hda help?
<davexunit>quiliro: why are you booting the installation image with qemu? guix can generate guixsd VMs
<civodul>davexunit: i just realized that Hydra always returns 410 for nonexisten /nar, instead of 404
<davexunit>ah, so we cache that
<civodul>yes, not a problem in itself, just surprised that it's 410 and not 404
<civodul>and the problem is that we have a narinfo in cache for this thing, when in fact the nar itself is missing
<civodul>but nginx cannot be taught that there's a connection between the two
<davexunit>ah yes I see
<davexunit>that's quite the predicament
<quiliro>davexunit: i am not booting a guixsd installer inside guixsd .... i am booting a parabola installer in guixsd
<davexunit>ah okay
<davexunit>nvm! :)
<quiliro>i am using the folling command:
<quiliro>qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm \\ -cpu host \\ -drive file=/media/cesar/sistemas/parabola-mate-2016.06.01-dual.iso,if=virtio \\ -netdev user,id=vmnic,hostname=guixvm -device virtio-net,netdev=vmnic \\ -m 1024M \\ -monitor stdio \\ -name "Guix VM"
<quiliro>-hda disc_space_image.qcow
<quiliro>would help me?
<quiliro>gemu-img create disc_space_image.qcow
<janneke>i rebase on master and cannot run guix environment ... anymore?
<quiliro>qemu-img create disc_space_image.qcow 5G
<janneke>guix: environment: command not found
<civodul>janneke: works for me on v0.10.0-1472-gab23fb8
<janneke>civodul: is this even possible, i'm confused
<civodul>it could happen if there's some error while executing module top-levels
<civodul>while loading (guix scripts environment)
<civodul>you're rebasing what anyway?
<janneke>OK, that takes away most of the magic, thanks :-)
<janneke>oh, I have my grub changes and gptfdisk, mcron+rottlog wip
<janneke>just wanting to remove ps+pdf from the merged nasm
<janneke>I must not reconfigure without grub changes or it will fail :-)
<paroneayea>civodul: I wonder how open you would be to bundling davexunit's (ice-9 json) with guix for now.
<davexunit>paroneayea: my intention was for jlicht to use it to unblock himself and keep making progress, and then later undo it and use guile-json.
<paroneayea>davexunit: that might make sense
<civodul>paroneayea: not against, but people already have guile-json no?
<janneke>civodul: ab23fb8 is fine...learned something interesting...let's find my silly typo/rebase ting
<paroneayea>though we could also drop an external dependency in guix by using ice-9 json too :)
<civodul>sure :-)
<paroneayea>civodul: yeah, jlicht is running into problems with the json + gexp stuff
<civodul>aaah right
<davexunit>paroneayea: I think we should do that migration once (ice-9 json) is fixed up and accepted into guile proper
<civodul>yeah that sounds better
<paroneayea>davexunit: hmm yes I suppose :)
<civodul>but it would be good to discuss the guile-json/gexp thing
<civodul>it should be doable
<civodul>(famous last words ;-))
<civodul>i have to rush now but ttyl!
<quiliro>qemu-system-x86_64 -boot d -net nic -net user -cdrom /media/cesar/sistemas/parabola-mate-2016.06.01-dual.iso -hda parabola.qcow -m 5G -localtime
<quiliro>worked very well
<davexunit>ACTION thinks he thought of a decent CLI for saving/loading profiles with 'guix environment'
<paroneayea>davexunit: ooh
<paroneayea>davexunit: I could really use that.
<paroneayea>I've been finding that every time I upgrade guix, I do another "guix environment" on my mediagoblin guix.scm
<paroneayea>and then I have to wait a few hours to be productive again.
<paroneayea>I really want something more persistent that still is built off of a declarative list of packages.
<davexunit>yeah same
<davexunit>the initial work to support it was completed awhile ago
<paroneayea>and the hours thing is usually the fault of latex ;)
<davexunit>my thinking is that something like this would be nice:
<davexunit>guix environment --save foo bar baz
<davexunit>--save would make a .guix-environment profile in $PWD
<davexunit>re-using an existing environment would then be something like:
<davexunit>guix environment --load
<davexunit>(I think there's a name clash with 'load', but you get the idea)
<bavier>we already have the idea of a 'profile' for 'guix package' which will instantiate a profile at the named file. it would be nice if 'guix environment' could play well with profiles created in that way
<davexunit>bavier: 'guix environment' already creates profiles
<davexunit>they just aren't registered as GC roots or anything
<bavier>davexunit: right
<davexunit>so they would indeed all play together
<davexunit>it's more of a UX issue that anything. under the hood it's all the same.
<bavier>I'm think like "drop me in a container using this profile that I've already created with 'guix package'"
<davexunit>bavier: that would be possible
<davexunit>guix environment --profile=$HOME/.guix-profile --container
<paroneayea>davexunit: I like it
<davexunit>the question there is: how does it compose with other things?
<davexunit>like, would this work?:
<davexunit>guix environment --profile=$HOME/.guix-profile --container --ad-hoc emacs
<bavier>that'd be cool
<davexunit>that would be an environment that builds a new profile based on an existing one and adds emacs to it
<davexunit>and the resulting profile is temporary
<davexunit>and here's a tricky case
<davexunit>guix environment --profile=$HOME/.guix-profile --container --ad-hoc emacs --save=$HOME/.guix-profile
<davexunit>I think there's some things to be thought through here.
<davexunit>should saving an environment also store which options you chose?
<davexunit>--container and such
<davexunit>that would be cool
<quiliro>davexunit: really cool
<ng0>i packaged netcat by openbsd. shall I let it collide with other netcats, or just copy the binary+manpage to nc.openbsd ?
<ng0>shall i let o.o grammar ouch
<ng0>well you get the question
<ng0>why I ask is, the distros I know package it either to colide or rename it
<ng0>the resulting binary is "nc"
<davexunit>ng0: collisions aren't an issue in guix
<davexunit>there's no global /usr
<davexunit>so it's fine
<ng0>i keep forgetting that. sorry
<davexunit>a user likely wouldn't install two version of netcat in their profile
<ng0>doesn't nmap depend on a specific netcat?
<davexunit>I don't know, but if it did then nmap would refer to that one.
<davexunit>or rather nmap *should* refer to that one via an absolute path.
<davexunit>whether or not the package actually does that is another story, but that's the expected thing.
<torrhal>installed all deps but compiles with error
<ng0>urgh. how to import the secret keys with gnupg >=2.1 ?
<ng0>this new model is weird
<efraim>i use tab completion a lot with gpg-2.1
<efraim>acutally I've always used tab completion a lot with gpg
<efraim>i've actually gotten very familiar with the man pages for gpg and ffmpeg-all
<ng0>gpg: error computing keygrip
<ng0>I'm familiar with the old sec/pub model, but i have never migrated a new one
<ng0>ah right.. that's the ssh part
<efraim>i think the only thing I haven't tried is downgrading libarchive from 3.2.0, and I'd rather not do that with all the patches it had before
<efraim>I'm going to just comment out the libarchive test and build past cmake and see how it goes
<ng0>no patch today it seems. need to fix torsocks first.
<rekado>tomorrow I have an appointment to flash libreboot on my X200S.
<rekado>I read in the libreboot docs ( that if a /boot/grub/libreboot_grub.cfg exists libreboot will use it.
<rekado>I see that my GuixSD system does not install a file like this.
<rekado>do I need to create it myself?
<rekado>Will I need a separate partition for /boot with a copy of the Guix-generated grub.cfg available as /boot/grub/libreboot_grub.cfg?
<anthk_>hello, is there a way to use gdm instead of slim?
<ng0>rekado: for me libreboot with guixsd on t400 just worked as I do not yet encrypt the harddive
<ng0>harddive \\o/ harddrive...
<rekado>ng0: okay, thanks.
<rekado>I hope this will work for me too.
<ng0>after setup you get a grub which in turn can select other grubs
<rekado>okay, cool.
<ng0>so maybe the file in question is only needed if you do it yxourself and don't use a default libreboot image
<ng0>but that's just my very short experience :)
<rekado>I expect not to be online for a couple of days after flashing.
<rekado>the X200S has a small SPI flash chip on the bottom side of the main board with really tiny solder points, making it quite difficult to flash.
<rekado>I hope that my attempts to wire the pins to the top side of the main board were actually successful.
<ng0>i heard the x series are sometimes easier to flash, at least with connectors, not soldering, than the t series
<ng0>no disassembling of every part
<davexunit>rekado: did you need to solder onto those teeny pads?
<rekado>davexunit: yes!
<davexunit>I have great difficulty trying to hand solder anything that is surface mounted
<rekado>it's not even like a regular SMT component you normally encounter.
<davexunit>curious if you used any special technique to help accomplish the task
<rekado>it hardly even has pins.
<rekado>I noticed that the pin pitch is the same as the distance of wires in a flat ribbon cable, so I soldered the ribbon cable to the pins.
<rekado>I kept it really short, just long enough to lead the pins to the other side of the board.
<ng0>i would've prefered to solder on the t400, but i don't trust my soldering enough.
<davexunit>rekado: how did you solder such small joints without connecting two by accident?
<rekado>using a ribbon cable is easier because the cable stays in place once you fix a single pin.
<rekado>davexunit: luck, I guess.
<rekado>my soldering station is pretty good, but the tip is much too big and no longer heats up evenly, so it was quite challenging.
<rekado>I hardly used any solder near the pins, so it's mostly reheated from what was already there.
<rekado>less solder = smaller likelihood of bridges.
<rekado>but I think it may have been smarter to remove the chip completely, solder wires to the pads, lead the wires to the other side, and place a new bigger chip there.
<rekado>the top side of the board has enough space for a flash chip. I wonder why they had to put it on the bottom side.
<rekado>I now have an ugly header glued to the top side, making it a little easier to access the pins.
<ng0>if it is where i suspected it to be, i'd say less disassembly time
<rekado>yes, only the keyboard and palm rest need to be removed now.
<rekado>you can even power on the laptop in this state, without much difficulty
<ng0>where as t400 and others are disassemble: everything.
<ng0>much joy. so fun.
<rekado>yeah, I had to disassemble everything on the X200.
<rekado>tried to skip a step and accidentally broke a flat ribbon cable in the process.
<rekado>made the sound card disappear; but I was able to repair it, surprisingly!
<rekado>ACTION meant the X200S above, not the X200
<rekado>ng0: do you have any comments on this patch maybe? -->
<ng0>sorry, my getmail/sendmail is stuck behind.
<ng0>february. oh
<rekado>ng0: when you do "guix system reconfigure", does it break things and "require fragile workarounds"?
<ng0>i used to use coreboot in a broken state, now i have libreboot, but I need to set it up somewhere else (or virtual) to test the patch, which is why i did not test it back then
<ng0>last i talked to jookia, they had a working full disk encryption branch with this
<ng0>but we (guix) were not really accepting towards some patches at this point, or discussion has lead to this.
<ng0>or so i was maybe told
<rekado>I don’t understand. I think the patches just needed review and modification.
<ng0>i don't know. it was not my focus, and what jookia told me is blury to me now
<ng0>I lack devices to review them appropriately
<rekado>well, I hope I can review them after tomorrow :)
<ng0>that would be good :)
<ng0>hm.. would someone like to fix torsocks-2.1.0 up? it fails testing, and I seems to not get in this moment why
<emyles>hi, is "guix deploy" a thing yet? I can't find much info.
<ng0>gentoo and other distros apply patches to mutt which are logical but are illogically rejected by upstream. may I add some of them to our mutt, or should this stay local?