<NiAsterisk>civodul: btw, do you track threads of open patches (gnunet.scm patch in this case) and just have too many and too little time, or should I apply what lfam said yesterday, reopen and be vocal because the mailinglist gained traffic. I don't CC anymore, can't hurt to ask :)
<NiAsterisk>sounds older than my t60 currently handling stock debian sid gnome fine
<kristofer>I just installed artanis in my user profile! the symlinks exist in ~/.guix-profile, but not in /run/current-system/profile/share/guile - so I can't load the modules from the repl. I'm guessing I need a symlink, but where and what should it point to?
<kristofer>conversly, I've installed artanis on my laptop without experiecing this issue at all
<rain1>kristofer, would you like me to test? I installed artanis
<rain1>,use (artanis artanis) I got it failing too
<rain1>seems like the package doesn't install any guile code
<kristofer>I have a very basic guix machine running nginx-service and lsh-service where the artanis module can't be found, but my laptop running %desktop-services can find the artanis modules just fine
<kristofer>my simple artanis site runs fine on the laptop.. I'm guessing there's a symlink issue, but I'm not completely sure
<rain1>my bad, it is in artanis-0.1.0/share/guile/site/2.0/
<boegel>pdurbin: the interesting thing is that I think Guix can help EB (by providing a 'jail' to build stuff in), and EB can help Guix (by serving as a build tool that knows how to deal with a lot of scientific software)
<Jookia>We should probably package the scientific software in Guix
<pdurbin>gotcha. hey, the LibrePlanet talk I'm in is wrapping up and it's lunch time. back in a while
<NiAsterisk>does freenode allow anything other than _ and - in names?
<Acou_Bass>and (for me at least) the init command (the one for installing it) built a fair amount of packages seemingly at random
<Acou_Bass>yeah theres a guide and as long as your setup is relatively straightforward, the guide is easy to follow - just a few things missing for more non-standard use cases (a common one asked in here is encrypted root) :P
<ng_>so this zdziarski has been ranting about GPL and free software today and throwing out a major unreflected storm of bs.. has written an article on it, no idea if it's any better, just to say "free software is never free, somebody pays for it, blargh"
<Acou_Bass>ng_: so... like many before him, completely misunderstood the 'free' part? :D
<ng_>you can look it up on twitter and the resulting (opiniated) article here: www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5948
<Acou_Bass>i bet there was also a paragraph that boils down to 'its not freedom becuz i dont have freedom to run whatever proprietary garbage i want!!'
<Acou_Bass>microsoft is like, the richest company ever, and windows is a buggy pile of horse shit
<ng_>also props that he did not include the stereotype stuff he ranted on
<nursejunka>oh reminds me, on the repos there is both openssl and libressl, how do i set a default?
<ng_>you can have both :) but libressl will be tested to see what we could build with it by default iirc
<ng_>correct me if that sentence was wrong.. but I understand it like you can have openssl and libressl here
<Acou_Bass>i really think the correct way to ensure free (libre) software continues to be higher-quality than paid/proprietary software, is to pay for your free software... obviously not everyone can afford it, but there are people who can
<Acou_Bass>eg. if you use GIMP professionally, donate to gimp the same amount as you would have paid for its proprietary alternative
<ng_>and that's the flaw with language.. with the word free
<nursejunka>is there a compressed txt file of the packages? a script freezes my browser
<Acou_Bass>im not saying we need to rebrand free software... but, as you said, calling it free lays expectations of the price being right, 'why would i pay for free software??' :P
<ng_>Acou_Bass: if the product works and you can talk to people about how their regular contributions, or donations to fundations, would affect the project that's more direct than just say "hey, it's free." because free only has the problem that we are in a system were everything gets a pricetag. if this association wouldn't be there, maybe hearing "free software" people would get different associations.
<Acou_Bass>you mean, if i (for exmaple) said ima conservative, youd rather actually ask me what i actually mean by that, instead of just assuming certain things about the word 'conservative'?
<ng_>sorry, i made a jump in my memory to the analogies I draw between free software and anarchism and how I came to the way of describing/getting anarchism from people because it also suffers a language barrier and other problems.
<ng_>but maybe the same problem can come with other, less complex, political schools. I have to think about that eventually.
<Acou_Bass>anarchist makes you sound like a crazy violent rioter with a flaming torch and a board with a nail in it :D (that sort of thing?)
<ng_>I don't want to talk politics here, as it can be an annoying topic for at least some people. necessary, but annoying. the only thing I will add is what I came up with, a very short version of what I do these days: I read very much, not every school out there, but enough to be able to see that there are certain similarities and that it also counts #where you #what you read and heard and #what influenced you in
<ng_>general #other struggles you have in your life etc list goes on
<Acou_Bass>im not discussing politics, just trying to understand where you drew the similarity :D
<ng_>words can do a great damage and irritation, misunderstanding. I see more similarities, but the only reason I referenced it just now was because of words which get some general meaning over time which might not be entirely correct.
<Acou_Bass>yeah thats what i meant when i said about what 'anarchist' sounds like
<Acou_Bass>not to me, because i know what it actually means, but toaverage joe
<Acou_Bass>thats what people think when you say 'anarchist', just like how people think the wrong thing when they hear 'free software'
<ng_>this is entirely true by the book I read and criticized recently. I did not translate the open letter so far, but it was a political book and it also had many wrong assumptions about technology
<rain1>kristofer, I made a little tool based on the idea of gnu/store but separate
<rain1>the idea can definitely be used in a lot of places
<rain1>even if you don't use the actual guix /gnu/store
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<jmarciano>ng_: Zdziarski, obviously does not know of Affero license, did not research well the subject, whatever "open source" he wrote in last 25+ years, and has absolutely either misunderstanding what is "free software" or is intentionally deviating and using "free" as "without charge".
<civodul>kristofer: monads in general are applicable to different areas
<kristofer>civodul: right! I haven't investigated the code for (guix monads) yet, so I guess I should start there for answers.. do you know if it can read/write changes to the application state to disk?
<kristofer>I guess it's obviously doing that for guix. I'll investigate further :)
<civodul>kristofer: no it can't, it really "just" a programming language construct
<ng_>damnit. do the permission popups you can't solve with passwords (like backlight etc) go away when I reconfigure and add gnome-service?
<civodul>davexunit: make sure to give mr bill the finger, as rms suggested ;-)