<sbidin>Is guix-devel okay with unicode characters in the From field? <sbidin`>Okay, I sent that simple GNU Hello package recipe patch for the docs. This is the first time I've sent a patch via email, so fingers crossed I did it right. <yenda>can you had a 2nd disk in config.scm ? <yenda>is it a good idea to mount extra disks in config.scm ? <yenda>so I just add (file-system (device "sdb1"...)) for instance to my list of file-systems ? <yenda>ACTION now needs to reboot to test but doesn't want to screw his pomodoro timer :D <davexunit>bavier: I'm fixing the issue with 'setns' on old glibc versions right now. if you run 'make check TESTS=tests/containers.scm' now, does it pass? <davexunit>my guess is that all the tests will be skipped, which is good. <davexunit>I can't think of a system that would have user namespaces available but not have a 'setns' glibc function. <sbidin`>A package I'm trying to build expects /bin/sh to be accessible during compilation, and fails because it's not. I though adding coreutils as an input would fix this, but it doesn't seem to. How should I proceed? <phant0mas>how does validate-runpath work? Does it only check if the .so files are in the right path? <davexunit>sbidin`: are you using the gnu-build-system? <davexunit>there's a patch-source-shebangs phase that should take care of that <sbidin`>davexunit: I guess haskell-build-system doesn't include it? Anyway, I'm trying to package ghc-time, and it includes C sources that I suppose don't get patched. <sbidin`>I'll have a look at how the other ghc packages do this, they must have run into the same issue. <davexunit>sbidin`: I just checked, and haskell-build-system patches shebangs like the gnu-build-system <davexunit>in which you should add an extra phase to your ghc-time package <sbidin`>davexunit: I just checked and ghc-network fixes this by setting CONFIG_SHELL before the standard-phases. <davexunit>that uses substitute* to replace /bin/sh in the necessary file(s) with the absolute path to bash <sbidin`>Oh, it seems setting CONFIG_SHELL is easier. <davexunit>and you do not need to explicitly add coreutils to the package native inputs <sbidin`>Lots of Haskell packages have C sources embedded within though, so I expect I'll be peppering this setenv code a lot. I wonder if it should just be a default for haskell-build-system. <davexunit>yeah, if most haskell projects use a similar environment variable, then I think that would be a good idea. <yenda>sometimes when I open a session with slim I get a window make session instead of whatever I should get (xfce or i3) <sbidin`>yenda: Yes, I've been bitten by that too. Just make sure you've selected xfce or whatever by pressing F1 before logging in. <sbidin`>It resets if you've entered the wrong password. <mark_weaver>yenda: you can override that F1 thing completely by having a ~/.xsession file. <mark_weaver>I do that because I want to do some other things like remap caps-lock to control, turn off that primitive beep (xset b off), etc, before running xfce <mark_weaver>so, it needs to be an executable script, so it needs a shebang on the first line, chmod +x, and the last thing it should do is 'exec i3' or whatever. <mark_weaver>yeah, the beep is terrible, and having the key to the left of A being anything other than control is even more horrible for an emacs user, IMO :-/ <mark_weaver>so I also do: setxkbmap -layout us -option ctrl:nocaps <yenda>so you have setxkbmap in your profile ? <DusXMT>ACTION had to install xbelld since his sound card doesn't have pcspkr emulation :( <mark_weaver>yenda: they are two different ways of doing the same thing. <yenda>but probably, I suppose .xmodmap is a config file for setxmodmap ? <mark_weaver>I still had to run it manually, but I did: xmodmap .xmodmaprc <yenda>ok so a .xsession is simpler <mark_weaver>yeah, I think you'd need to put somethign in your xsession anyway <yenda>but is it linled to Xorg as the name would suggest ? <mark_weaver>and that also solves the problem of not having to pay attention to the F1 thing in slim <mark_weaver>it can be configured within GNOME's keyboard settings, so I suppose they would take care of doing the right thing on wayland, but for something like i3, I don't know <yenda>to answer your question there is a project to make i3 on wayland <yenda>but it will be really different <yenda>i3 is just a set of very basic tools, a menu bar, a window manager, dbus, dmenu to start an executable that is in the path <mark_weaver>well, to be more clear: xmodmap and setxkbmap are both X specific afaik, but .xsession is something that the display manager (slim, etc) runs, so it's not necessary X specific, despite the name. <yenda>ACTION wonders if i3 is more than 1mb <mark_weaver>I seem to periodically go back and forth between minimal window managers like ratpoison and fancy ones like GNOME or XFCE. <mark_weaver>but either way, I avoid the mouse. when I use the fancy ones, I use keyboard shortcuts, and anyway I basically live in emacs anyway. <yenda>I really can't stand fancy ones, I just need emacs fullscreen and browser full screen, with handy shortcut between the two and a fast terminal launcher <mark_weaver>yeah, same here. emacs and browser, with alt-tab between them :) <yenda>the terminal being emacs now :) <mark_weaver>and I even sometimes browse the web within emacs, for sites where it works well. <mark_weaver>the next time I go back to minimal ones, I'll have to try out some other window managers like i3 <yenda>someday I'll configure helm to browse my bookmarks, switch to icecat directly or eww if the site is fulltext friendly <mark_weaver>I'm trying to use eww more, but historically I have used emacs-w3m for this, which is much more mature. <mark_weaver>btw, on the subject of browsers: in case you didn't see my message on guix-devel, we have another modern web browser now: epiphany. <mark_weaver>at first it didn't have proper https support, but that's fixed now. <yenda>yes I saw but I like mozilla stuff <davexunit>if emacs xwidgets ever gets upstream, we could have a webkit browser in emacs. <mark_weaver>I also prefer icecat and will switch back to it, but for now, the version of icecat we have might have some known unpatched holes. <mark_weaver>or at least there were some security fixes for 38 released recently, but no one has ported them to 31, and it seems no one ever will. <yenda>mark_weaver: helm is difficult to explain because it's really big. It is a completion engine like ido but also much more. You have helm-M-x for instance that replace M-x and help you dynamically search through function, helm-grep to dynamically grep though dir <davexunit>I use smex to replace the built in M-x function <yenda>helm-circe for instance is binded to my f8 key and shows me the irc channels with activity so I can jump in quickl <yenda>helm-find-files is like a dynamic dired <yenda>what is nice is that you can make your own helm interface for wathever you want. There is a video on youtube showing how to make an interface for spotify in 15 min <yenda>davexunit: me too :) I think I only use it for helm-ag, which is a fast grep for within projects <yenda>anyway back at trying to configure and understand gnus <yenda>what a nightmare I hope it's worth it <davexunit>projectile recognizes .git directories and things for other vcs systems and uses them to denote the roots of source trees so that you can, for example, quickly open files for a given project via fuzzy matching <davexunit>it's a port of a feature from a proprietary editor <davexunit>I think it would be useful, but I have C-x C-f so ingrained in my muscle memory that I need it to play nice with that <davexunit>but I haven't been able to come up with something to make it work <yenda>c-x c-f is binded to helm-find-file in my conf, I think I will add projectile as the first source <yenda>that way c-x c-f will do that and also be normal out of projects <yenda>ACTION added dd to the keychords to delete a line #worst idea ever <yenda>every time I type added I delete a line <davexunit>I want a key sequence to escape from projectile's find file <davexunit>because I often want to access arbitrary files <davexunit>ido uses C-f to escape and go back to the regular find file <yenda>I get you can define C-x C-f as projectile key-map and then C-f as 'find-file within projectile <yenda> (define-key projectile-mode-map (kbd "C-f") 'find-file) <yenda>I tried on my config it doesn't work but I think its because instead of 'find-file you need some kind of lambda which exits the helm sesion and opens find-file afterward <yenda>I settled for C-x p to run projectile, I'll see how it goes, but it's hard indeed to stop doing c-x c-f all the time <yenda>what is the most complete font we have for unicode chars ? I'm looking for a fallback to my inconsolata font for special chars <yenda>I'm tired of all these wierd rectangles <yenda>I guess the answer is symbola, I was looking around to package it but couldn't find a decent set <davexunit>font-adobe-source-han-sans looks like the right thing <yenda>mark_weaver: did you tweak gnus look and feel ? or do you get use to it after a while ? <yenda>davexunit: did you find a source with proper licence ? <yenda>so you just installed it and no more rectangles <davexunit>except in xfce window title bars for some reason <yenda>I don't think it will help with unicode symbols though <yenda>You know like animals and stuff people start using nowadays <yenda>ofc, lets say I'm working on guix, I want to look at licenses name, I just have to type lic to jump there from wherever <mark_weaver>yenda: I use font-dejavu and font-adobe-source-han-sans:{cn,jp,kr,tw} <mark_weaver>regarding gnus: it was a steep learning curve, and it works differently than most traditional email clients, but I eventually became accustomed to it, and it's the most featureful emacs mail/news/other reader <mark_weaver>at this point, it's hard for me to switch to anything else, because I've become so accustomed to it <paroneayea>mark_weaver: I think mu4e is pretty comparable, and even has some features gnus doesn't (I'm a former gnus user) but it doesn't have the newsreader and "things that are not mail" features gnus has <mark_weaver>being able to read directly from gmane, gwene, rss feeds, etc, all in one reader, is something I would probably miss <paroneayea>but IMO you need a way to an interface to read by maildir with unread mail... I wrote such a thing though, mu4e-uqueue <paroneayea>but I guess the source is no longer up because gitorious is down <davexunit>I use the notmuch client + elfeed for reading RSS feeds. <davexunit>notmuch client for mail, and elfeed separately for RSS feeds, that is. <davexunit>yessss the rubygems folks fixed the Content-Type header on the gem archives <rekado->paroneayea: with mu4e you can also read by maildir folder. (See mu4e~headers-jump-to-maildir.) <paroneayea>rekado-: yes but I need a list of which maildirs have unread messages <sbidin`>I packaged cabal-install and xmonad. Should I prefix their names with ghc-? <rekado->sbidin`: I'd say "no", because they are not primarily used as libraries. <yenda>I gues I'm going to settle for mu4e + elfeed for rss <sbidin`>rekado-: I assumed so, but feared the automatic process that triggers on packages beginning with "ghc-" (that I don't yet understand). For instance, xmonad is used as a library by (ghc-)xmonad-contrib. <sprang>any suggestions for where my figlet package should go? I'm not sure fontutils.scm make sense, since it doesn't really have anything to do with real fonts <sprang>is there an existing module for silly command line toys? :-) <sbidin`>Not sure there is any? I can't find any, actually. No cowsay, no sl, ... <sbidin`>How could I reference zsh as a user's shell within the system config file? I know I have to use G-expressions, but I never used them and cannot find an example. <sbidin`>Could I just pass in something like (string-append #$zsh "/bin/zsh")? <sbidin`>That is, #~(string-append #$zsh "/bin/zsh"). <sbidin`>Thanks! Would a reconfigure then automatically pull in zsh, even if I hadn't listed it in within packages? Assuming I use the module (gnu packages zsh). <mark_weaver>you might still want to put zsh in packages though, so that you can put it in shebangs as /run/current-system/profile/bin/zsh <mark_weaver>sprang: hmm, I don't know where that would go. maybe just make a new module for now. <mark_weaver>I often have trouble deciding where packages should go <yenda>I installed offlineimap, uninstalled, reinstalled <yenda>first time it worked, now it doesn't find the command <yenda>mhm actually nothing I install now is a command anymore <yenda>I deleted .guix-profile how do I recreate the link properly ? <mark_weaver>ln -s /var/guix/profiles/per-user/yenda/guix-profile ~/.guix-profile <yenda>I guess the problem is that I copied the thing after guix-profile the first time <yenda>so it was stuck in an old version of the profile <yenda>rekado-: have you installed mu4e on guix yet ? did you copy mu4e folder from mu in the store ? <davexunit>magit is at version 2.2.0 now. we should update sometime, but maybe leave the old stable version because of how much stuff has changed. <rekado->yenda: I use mu4e on GuixSD. I did not copy anything. <yenda>wierd if I don't copy it it doesn't find it <mark_weaver>davexunit: I looked at updating magit, and noticed that it required some kind of manual intervention when updating, as I vaguely recall, so I held off. <mark_weaver>but if you want to take care of it, please feel free! <davexunit>too many things right now. maybe one of the more experienced elisp hackers will do it. :) <davexunit>sometimes if I mention things here they magically happen shortly thereafter. ;) <rekado->the only thing I recall about the upgrade is a popup that asks you to confirm new behaviour by adding a line to the init file. If this line is not added the popup appears again the next time Emacs starts. <mark_weaver>rekado-: that already happened with an earlier update to magit, one that we already have. <rekado->I use the latest from one of GNU elpa / melpa / marmelade. Haven't tested much, but it looks rather different. <rekado->(only use the latest in the office. On my GuixSD machine I use whatever comes with Guix.) <enno__>Hello everyone. I do my very first steps with guix sd and the usb stick is booting fine. But unfortunately my network adapter is not working. The r8169 module is probably not working. I want to use r8168 instead. Where can I find this? <yenda>ok I update magit with melpa I'm going to try it out <alezost>ACTION has been using the new magit for many months (when it was developed in the "next" branch) <alezost>IMO it is much much better than the old magit 1 <yenda>well this is not a big success <yenda>ok it's a remain of my /home deletion <rekado->enno__: are you sure that your network adapter works without non-free firmware? <enno__>It was working with linux mint before. Don't know <rekado->GuixSD comes with linux-libre, which does not include non-free firmware or firmware blobs. <rekado->"is not working" is a very broad statement, you know :) <mark_weaver>enno__: it seems that the 8168 module is not in upstream linux and thus not in linux-libre <mark_weaver>I see posts on the internet about downloading the driver source from realtek and compiling it <mark_weaver>for now, could you use ethernet, and then we could help you figure out how to compile that driver and get it working in GuixSD? <yenda>adter giving magit a quick try I didn't notice any required configuration and it seems smoother <yenda>also the ? gives more indications than before which is nice <mark_weaver>well, I'm not sure about what I'm saying, it's just a guess <mark_weaver>I only searched for filenames with "8168" in the name in the linux source tree <yenda>btw what does it change when you use emacs internal update system rather than guix ? <davexunit>for the record, I did try bumping the version but it wasn't a simple "update version number and hash" upgrade. <davexunit>I use some MELPA packages to supplement what guix gives me. <davexunit>eventually I hope for that list to shrink to 0. <alezost>magit2 was mostly rewritten, and a guix package for it will be completely different <enno__>@mark_weaver r8168 is for ethernet. So I am stuck at the moment. <alezost>I think there is a problem in packaging magit 2: it requires dash. We have emacs-dash package, but "dash.el" (which is required for compiling magit files) is placed in /gnu/store/…/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix.d/dash-<version> ← this file name can't be defined, i.e. we can't use (string-append <dash-input> "/share/…") <enno__>@rekado- Ok. Looks like it is non free firmware. Damn. Was not aware of this before <mark_weaver>alezost: I don't understand what the problem is. can you elaborate? <alezost>mark_weaver: Look at the current "magit" package recipe: there is (setenv "EMACSLOADPATH" (string-append ":" git-modes "/share/emacs/site-lisp")). git-modes are not needed anymore, but there should be something similar for dash, but "/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix.d/dash-2.11.0" can't be defined because of the version <alezost>emacs-build-system put dash files to that directory <mark_weaver>alezost: okay, but you can scan the directory and find out the version number from that if need be, or use ,(package-version emacs-dash) or something, no? <alezost>mark_weaver: yeah, you are right, I would just prefer the constant directory name <mark_weaver>alezost: do you think we should change the 'emacs-dash' package to install into a directory without the version? <mark_weaver>would users ever need two versions of emacs-dash installed in the same profile? <alezost>mark_weaver: I don't know, but it's not the 'emacs-dash' thing, but 'emacs-build-system' one <alezost>I think it doesn't make sence to try to install 2 versions of an emacs package at the same time <mark_weaver>well, if you think something should be changed in 'emacs-build-system', we should probably discuss it on the ML. <yenda>davexunit: I installed circe with guix but I'm still hesitant to switch because I use the (use-package) macro in emacs which takes care of all the dowloading and configuring of the packets <mark_weaver>maybe in the meantime we could just use (package-version emacs-dash) <yenda>mark_weaver: I packaged a few emacs packages for myself but I used git while guix import "encourages" the use of melpa <yenda>I was wondering if guix can still look-up for potential upgrades when using a git repo instead of melpa <mark_weaver>unless something has changed since I last checked, our current lookup for newer versions only works for GNU packages, and furthermore only GNU packages that are in ftp.gnu.org. <mark_weaver>at some point we should try to make this work for as many packages as we can. <mark_weaver>yenda: I think it's okay (maybe even preferable) to use a tarball or git repo over melpa for guix packages. <mark_weaver>but I'd like to hear what other people think about this also. <alezost>On my opinion there is another ugliness with emacs-build-system: along with *.el[c] files you will get other files from the upstream tarball. <alezost>Try for exmaple "guix build emacs-dash" and look at /gnu/store/ic22a0y8v5hs8m2vinb9wqig10rjpfgl-emacs-dash-2.11.0/share/emacs/site-lisp/guix.d/dash-2.11.0/ directory <sbidin`>I ran guix system reconfigure, but it failed building base-initrd.drv. I got a large backtrace ending with "ice-9/boot-9.scm:106:20: no code for module (guix build syscalls)". Not sure what's wrong exactly. <yenda>I asked forcer about circe and he prefers the use of his github over melpa <mark_weaver>yenda: I think that's fine. several of our existing emacs packages use git or tarballs already <mark_weaver>alezost: yeah, I agree that's not so good. I'd encourage you to post to the ML about it. <mark_weaver>yenda: in fact, the message alezost just cited reminds me that we can't use MELPA anyway, although I haven't been paying much attention to that discussion. <alezost>mark_weaver: I don't have a patch currently, but I will likely look at it (if Federico didn't beat me) <alezost>yes, yes, Melpa tarballs can't be used at all <alezost>because they are refreshed at place every several hours <yenda>wow lists.gnu.org is so text friendly rms could validate it <enno__>I now tried to install guix sd on Parallels 10 via usb stick. No luck <yenda>makes me think that once I get enough time and elisp skills I'll make a function that opens links in eww or icecat depending on a whitelist of text-friendly websites <yenda>later I'll add filters that make particular site text friendly by formating them <mark_weaver>I don't know, but there's a keybinding (&) in eww to load the same page in an external browser. <mark_weaver>so it's pretty easy to fall back when eww isn't sufficient <yenda>but sometime you know in advance that a website sucks at rendering on eww <yenda>so it would be awesome that when you press & it saves the website in a list and next time it opens directly in a browser <yenda>except if you write a filter for it ***francis7 is now known as fchmmr
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<yenda>ACTION announces caveman-mode <sbidin`>Is it necessary to run some sort of cleanup action after a failed guix system reconfigure? It seems I'm getting the same error no matter how I change my config. <sbidin`>I'll try reverting to the absolute base documentation config. <mark_weaver>sbidin`: does "guix system build" run from your normal user account fail in the same way? <sbidin`>I just tried the "typical desktop" config from the docs, it fails the same way. <mark_weaver>since you run "guix system reconfigure" as root, that may use a different version of guix, if you haven't run "guix pull" as root. <sbidin`>mark_weaver: That's true, I haven't! <mark_weaver>when you run "guix pull" it only affects that one user. so, if you run is as your user, that won't change it for root, and vice versa. <mark_weaver>fortunately, if you run it for both and there are no upstream commits in between, you only have to wait once. <sbidin`>Ah, that's good. I was wondering about that. :) <mark_weaver>because the compiled guix will be cached in /gnu/store and simply reused. <mark_weaver>btw, there's an (IMO) better way to do this, and necessary if you want to contribute to guix anyway: build guix from a git checkout and use that one. then 'git pull' and 'make' is vastly faster. <pizzaiolo>I want to publish them on Wikipedia, so they need to be CC BY or CC BY SA, for instance <mark_weaver>(I'm sure it's fine, but of course we should formalize it) <pizzaiolo>yes, otherwise commons admins will delete it swiftly :P <mark_weaver>pizzaiolo: so, at the bottom of the page it says "Made with ♥ by humans and powered by GNU Guile. Source code under the GNU AGPL." where "Source code" and "GNU AGPL" are links. <pizzaiolo>I wasn't sure if AGPL is suitable for images <mark_weaver>what is the proper way to declare the license of an image? <pizzaiolo>something like "screenshots released under CC BY SA" <davexunit>and in our git repo we can add a file that explains the license <davexunit>so are the screenshot public domain (we should say CC0 here) <pizzaiolo>yes, CC0 is better because in some jurisdictions (weirdly) you cannot release stuff into the public domain <pizzaiolo>for now, I'll consider it as double-licensed under PD and AGPL <pizzaiolo>I think that's how the justice system would see it anyway <mark_weaver>I confess I don't know the process for updating our website. <mark_weaver>pizzaiolo: do you think the notice at the bottom of the page will be sufficient for now? <pizzaiolo>heh, I know it's wrong but I can't help but pronounce GUI-ks <sbidin`>Is there a reason why "guix pull" doesn't just fetch a binary? <sbidin`>I'm hoping the reason is "nobody just got around to implement that yet". :) <yenda>it's funny at the beginning the commit messages were not as codified <yenda>I think the most common commit message is "Doh" <sbidin`>My root's guix pull finished compiling, and then I started my other user's as well. It seems things haven't been cached after all. :D The last commit is 2 hours ago though, so I don't know what has changed these past 20 minutes. <mark_weaver>sbidin`: if you want, you can just make ~root/.config/guix/latest a symlink to ~/.config/guix/latest <mark_weaver>and then root will always use the same version of guix as your normal user account <yenda>For those using magit what do you use when you have unpushed commits and want to integrate latest commit from master ? <mark_weaver>I *never* use "guix pull", so I don't have direct experience with it. 