<taylanub>Steap: might I ask how you managed to do that? I'll be looking for a new job soon and want to do something as ethical as possible, with programming being probably my only good choice.
<taylanub>I'm in Germany, by the way. hm, maybe Suse or so...
<mark_weaver>Steap: yes, the employers dominate the working class, and yes, we all need to eat, but it does not follow that you would starve if you didn't use free software. that last suggestion is what I have an issue with.
<mark_weaver>don't get me wrong, almost everyone I know uses non-free software, and I'm not in the habit of getting in their faces about it.
<mark_weaver>what I have an issue with is you propagating this idea that we have to use non-free software because otherwise we would starve.
<f4lk0r_>Does anyone have any idea why when using the installation media, cryptsetup seems to hang whenever trying to do anything other than luksDump?
<f4lk0r_>luksOpen just sits there waiting way longer than it would normally
<Steap>mark_weaver: I'm just saying that we have to make sure we can survive
<Steap>and I can't blame someone for writing/using non-free software in order to do so
<Steap>Sure it's best if they can avoid it, but it is not always possible
<mark_weaver>and I'm just saying that I don't believe that your survival is at stake there. I think you should be honest that the real issue is that you aren't willing to make significant sacrifices in order to avoid non-free software.
<Steap>for instance I use Google Hangout on a regular basis at work; but 100% of my code is pushed upstream, so all in all, it's a good deal
<Steap>I could indeed leave my job to stop using Google Hangout, but that would not be the smartest thing to do, neither for me or Free Software in general
<Steap>taylanub: I joined a small company that was working on OpenStack and committed to do "open source"; later it was bought by Red Hat
<mark_weaver>okay, all I'm saying is that I don't believe you would starve, and I don't think you should pretend that you would starve.
<Steap>mark_weaver: Being jobless is not exactly easy, even in my country :)
<Steap>By "not easy", I mean that I have to pay for my own glasses, and they are terribly expensive, so I need money to do something as simple as seeing the floor
<mark_weaver>are you suggesting that there is no job you could get that doesn't entail using non-free software?
<Steap>mark_weaver: there is no "perfect job" that would not cause me to be "flexible" about my ethics
<mark_weaver>btw, I'm not sure you're wrong that the net outcome of your situation is beneficial to free software.
<rekado>sneek: later tell davexunit I still think it's a good idea to substitute all literal strings passed to "require" with full store paths to avoid having to propagate *all* inputs. This won't work for dynamic requires, but I suppose that's not quite as common as regular requires with string literals.