*jgrant makes a note. He's about useless right now.
<mark_weaver>of course, it would be good to add clisp and sbcl, but since you seem to be impatient enough to want to import the package from nix somehow (which I think is not really feasible, short of installing all of Nix including its base libraries and programs), trying stumpwm on gcl might be better than that :)
<jgrant>This was a little over a week ago when I asked, I can't remember if it was in #stumpwm or #lisp...
<jgrant>That was the issue, clx is doubtful to work on it anymore.
<mark_weaver>it might simply be that none of the stumpwm devs use gcl
<jgrant>mark_weaver: Bike in chat, says the only reference he see's in the source are "run-shell-program" which he says isn't relevant.
<mark_weaver>and maybe the users don't either, so it may be that it hasn't been tested in a while. but the source code suggests that it has worked in the past.
<mark_weaver>well, fwiw, I would normally run GNOME 3, but have put it aside for a long while so that I can eat our dogfood and work on Guix more effectively. However, if you can't wait for the software that's not yet in Guix, then another option is to install Guix on top of another distro.
<jgrant>mark_weaver: Nah, I explicitly installed GSD as my main distro to force myself to work on Guix more.
<toxemicsquire4>Hi, I'm attempting to package wicd for guix, I don't know how to upload or anything yet, but I just want to be able to package it first. I've read some of the manual online, but I can't find any useful package definitions, is there a folder on the system which stores those. Or how can I get them?
<jgrant>civodul: I do really want to thank you for your amazing paitence you've had regarding this issue. Hopefully RMS will budge and be "okay" with GSD as a name, and we can finally move past this big mess...
<civodul>i hope the FSF/RMS kind of people will understand this
<jgrant>civodul: When you do mention the name during your talk, please, please, please make sure you make it clear it's "GNU GSD" not just "GSD" -- this is one of RMS's biggest areas of contention, that some people will think the G in GSD is GNU.
<jgrant>I think it's clear and I think you know that already... but, still, very important me thinks.
<Sleep_Walker>it's nice to see so many people here, <name to be decided> is growing nicely!
<Sleep_Walker>I didn't have time for that recently but at least ML has good number of patches/month
<Sleep_Walker>civodul: it's not important for me, I'll just check in 3 months what is current :b
<jgrant>Sleep_Walker: I think it's pretty universally accepted as "good enough" for people working on Guix, RMS is really the only opponent on this. Not sure if he has the authority to do anything though.
<jgrant>His arguments are pretty weak, I think, in any case on this matter. Though to be clear, overall, I strongly respect the ma -- just not his view on this point of contention.
<Sleep_Walker>I'm no longer interested in this topic, sorry, I had blood boiling already some time ago :b
<jgrant>Sleep_Walker: I mean, it's hopefully "over".
<adhoc>i wish folks would just get hacking on important stuff instead of boiling blood over a name
<jgrant>We'll see if/how RMS reacts to use somefactor of pushing a name he isn't 100% okay with ... but yeah.
<adhoc>i wonder if GSD is too close to BSD for him ?
<adhoc>mark_weaver: yeah. there are better things to do =)
<jgrant>I mean, there's not much really to talk about more. It has been fomrally chosen, documentation and other realted bits have been and will continue to be changed to created to reflect that. The only thing I thing that can be done to change that if RMS was able to take action and I'm not sure if he has the power to do so. :^P
<jgrant>I'm expecting and hoping the issue is done.
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<civodul>i'm not sure there'd be such a spike, though
<jgrant>I mean, I would hope. I don't know how much traffic the page get ussually -- but I suspect a fair amount of people who are going to a talk have barely heard of it and/or have not heard of it at all and were drawn in by the talk title.
<jgrant>Maybe not a huge spike, but I would think a notable one.
<DusXMT>davexunit: afaik, it depends on whether you have a libc that supports gettext. Glibc, if I remember correctly, does support/contain gettext, so it should be provided by it (while on some systems, like w32, gettext has to be explicitly provided)
<jgrant>Don't know enough about Librem, but I've not also heard loud outcries ... so I assume that it's at least "sufficently foss" for most people. Don't know if that is actually free-software level, ryf-compilant.
<jxself>I suspect it has to do with the distro they ship, at least partly.
<jxself>And graphics unless the 3D acceleration can work now without the non-free parts.
<davexunit>people use mobile phones more than any other type of computer, and they are almost all hopelessly locked down.
<jgrant>davexunit: Well hopefully home-fabriaction will be somewhat affordable in like 10-20 years. Ideally if we could amass a fund at hackerspaces to by certain machines... that would do a lot I think.
<jgrant>Maybe it's just that I really didn't pay attention to such things when I first was getting into Free-Software near 5 years ago now ... but from my (certainly biased) point of view, it seems like there is a lot more full FOSS-capable devices and FOSH designs out there generally. Not just the ones that get popular.
<jgrant>Which if try and is not just me being overwhellmed by be outwardly aware of such things, is GREAT.
<jgrant>Which if I'm actually trying to be objective and coming up with such things*
<davexunit>I give up on php... I'll try to fix the bugs in 'guix environment' instead.
<jgrant>davexunit: PHP, for Drupal? Or making like a build-system?
<davexunit>jgrant: PHP for anything PHP-related. no one's packaged it yet.