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<viric>Madrid diras ke ĝi ne validas, kompreneble. <viric>el ciuj landoj, ni ilin konvinkos plej laste, nur post sendependeco. <viric>Tiel okazis kun ĉiuj aliaj sendependiĝoj de Hispanio <viric>ĉiuj ni havas grandan esperon :) <viric>sed povas okazi kiel en Utrecht <viric>Ke ĉiuj najbaraj landoj decidas helpi Madridon konkeri Katalunion <viric>Eĉ ne unu mencio de la plena konkero de la Katalunaj Regnoj <civodul>jes, sed tamen oni povas esperi ke tio ne funkciuus hodiaŭ <viric>tiu koncepto de "neutralité" → laŭdi la venkinton <viric>ni esperu. Sed jam en tiu epoko, en anglio aperis pluraj verkoj, rimarkantaj la hontegon de la landaro, abandoninte la katalunojn <viric>civodul: sed kie ili diras "Traktato de paco", necesas legi "Abandono de la katalunoj, tiel ke ili ne havu esperon resisti la atakon" <viric>temas pri traktato de paco inter tiuj kiuj atakis kaj tiuj kiuj helpis la katalunojn, per komuna akordo ĉiuj abandoni la katalunojn *civodul pushed the big NEWS <civodul>it needs some more testing and everything <davexunit>cool. I have a bit of docs to write about guix import, still. <davexunit>going to be too busy to do much this week, though. it's time for the FSF fall newsletter mailing <davexunit>and I'm launching a new membership site, which I'm scrambling to get somewhat usable <civodul>well it's cool if you can write about "guix import"; if you can't, i'll take it over <civodul>there's still a bit of time ahead anyway <civodul>and interestingly, not the things i initially prediced :-) <davexunit>civodul: interesting how things work out in free software projects :) <agumonkey>I can't build libevent because something fails to fetch the source through gnutls <agumonkey>which forbids me to bring other packages like tmux <agumonkey>aight, had enough, restarting from scratch ... <viric>I didn't know we had a bot here <ijp>agumonkey: don't worry, the same thing happens to me on #emacs <viric>I bet you have typed these lines of "hi back people" etc. several times in this channel <agumonkey>I still have a few years before irc bots reach my biological glam <agumonkey>viric: why don't you go out and have fun with your dog <viric>someone please grep how many times in #guix there was this exact complain about tmux and libevent <viric>maybe agumonkey simply has bad memory and got into some development loops <davexunit>I rebuilt guix-daemon yesterday and now it segfaults during substitution :( <_`_>egrep -c '(tmux|libevent)' .weechat/logs/irc.freenodessl.\\#guix.weechatlog <viric>if agumonkey didn't change the nick, you can maybe even pipe grep the nick <agumonkey>hold on.. are you saying I kept asking about libevent ? <agumonkey>I blubbed about a lot of issues, this one only once since I just hit it <bavier>agumonkey: what problem specifically are you having with the gnutls fetch? <agumonkey>my system might be borked, but anyway, there's an issue with guix grabbing libevent sources it seems <agumonkey>I mean, after guix system init, reboot and attempt to install packages <davexunit>can you wget that tarball? or any other https url? <davexunit>I know we've had problems surrounding sources from github before <bavier>the libevent source download works for me, but I'm running on top of another system <davexunit>agumonkey: alternatively, you should authorize hydra.gnu.org to serve sustitutes <davexunit>sudo guix archive --authorize < hydra.gnu.org.pub <agumonkey>well since bavier said he had no issues fetching the sources .. means the problem came from my setup <agumonkey>but thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I have the problem again <agumonkey>I booted a fresh post guix system init install, `guix package -i bc` running. We'll see in a few hours when it's finished <bavier>agumonkey: it might not just be your setup, as davexunit said, we've had problems in the past with github <th3kent`>hello guix (-: how do i mount gnu-usb-install-0.7.x86_64 using a loopback device? <davexunit>th3kent``: hey, since no one seems available to answer your question, you could try sending mail to guix-devel@gnu.org about it. <th3kent``>thanks davexunit, will do if i can't hack it. <davexunit>just keep in mind that it's not in ISO format. <th3kent``>yeah, i tried mounting as ext4/3/2 and keep getting "mount: wrong fs type ..." <th3kent``>here's my command: mount -t ext4 -o loop /home/kent/gnu-usb-install-0.7.x86_64 /mnt/one <mark_weaver>th3kent``: I think the problem is that the installer image is not just a single filesystem. it contains a msdos partition map. I'm not sure off-hand how to get linux (the kernel) to parse a partition map in a normal file. <mark_weaver>th3kent``: out of curiosity, why do you want to do this? <mark_weaver>the easy solution would be to copy it to a USB stick and then mount the partition. <th3kent``>am trying to troubleshoot booting from usb. i have an 8+ year-old hp nx6125 laptop. when i dd the image to an 8gb usb, it fails to boot, "non-system disk ...", so am trying to partition the usb manually and use cp(1) to copy files from the guix image to the usb. <th3kent``>when i dd, it mounts ok, i just can't boot from it. <mark_weaver>I can think of two alternative approaches: if you have GRUB installed on your system, then you should be able to boot the USB stick from GRUB. <mark_weaver>and another option would be to install guix within another GNU/Linux system, and then use "guix system init" to build a standalone guix system on another partition. <th3kent``>i have an old debian squeeze install on there, and grub1 does seem to recognize the partitions on the usb (hd1), will try installing guix on there ... <mark_weaver>civodul: th3kent`` is trying to install standalone Guix, but his "8+ year-old hp nx6125 laptop" is unable to boot our usb image. any suggestions? <civodul>is it unable to boot from USB in general, our our image in particular? <th3kent``>it's failing to boot from usb in general, just tried systemrescuecd ... "non-system disk ..." <mark_weaver>I suggested booting it from grub, but he currently has grub1 which apparently doesn't recognize the partitions on the usb device either. finally, I suggested installing guix from source on his existing system, but alas that is debian squeeze in his case, which doesn't even have guile 2. <civodul>th3kent``: otherwise you could try using UNetBootin to make a CD-ROM image from the USB image? *davexunit needs to figure out why his guix-daemon started segfaulting when doing substitution <th3kent``>... reviewed my steps, overlooked the "legacy usb support" option in my bios. enabled "legacy usb support", laptop boots up perfectly. i've got a gnu system prompt!! (-8 <agumonkey>how much ram is there on your nx1625 ? I've seen base install had 512M <civodul>davexunit: FWIW SDL_mixer's configure ends up not using libmikmod, not sure why *civodul thought he would try Pingus, but no ;-) <civodul>davexunit: well Pingus can't play sound, so it prints an error and segfaults <davexunit>now that I have guile-sdl working, I can easily experiment with SDL_mixer <davexunit>my guix environment for sly works quite nicely. all the SDL stuff I use works. haven't tested sound yet, though. <davexunit>I find guix environment to be rather slow, though. I'm not sure if it's due to hydra being slow or what. <davexunit>civodul: how do you typically debug guix performance issues? <agumonkey>I used nix on top of arch a bit, it was below slow, not as fast as their native pm but fast enough. guix seems to have overhead yes <davexunit>agumonkey: some slowness comes from our overloaded build farm <davexunit>I hope to make guix environment fast enough that I can use it to wrap scripts and not have too much of a performance penalty to do so. <civodul>davexunit: i start with ",pr" in a fresh REPL (it needs to be fresh because of memoization) <agumonkey>davexunit: oh ? I thought it was interpretation overhead <civodul>davexunit: and also disable substitutes <davexunit>agumonkey: but there are real performance issues. to solve them typically requires better caching. <th3kent``>happy hacking guys! it's 26 past midnight here in south africa, got to hit the sack ... good night all. *davexunit is sleepy, been feeding printers all day <davexunit>but I have the printed FSF bulletin in my hands, and it's got the guix logo in it <davexunit>... and I found a place where I mixed verb tenses and it's driving me crazy. <civodul>it's cool to have Guix mentioned there!