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<civodul>good afternoon/night!
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<pawprint>where can i read about where to get and how to install a guix-based OS ?
<pawprint>found it
<pawprint>another question...
<pawprint>are there any plans to allow guix to work on any bsd systems?
<Steap_>that'd be cool
<pawprint>hmm.. i'm trying to get gnu-usb-install-0.7.x86_64 to boot under virtualbox
<pawprint>trying to add it as an "exist hard drive", but it's not liking it
<pawprint>"existing hard drive"
<pawprint>i got it
<pawprint>had to do this:
<pawprint>VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename gnu-usb-install-0.7.x86_64.vmdk -rawdisk gnu-usb-install-0.7.x86_64
<pawprint>then the newly created vmdk can be added as an existing hard drive in virtualbox
<pawprint>and it boots :)
<jmd>pawprint: So far as I'm aware, the package manager should be installable on BSD.
<jmd>But to ask for Guix (the OS) to work on BSD, is like asking GNU/Linux to work on Windows.
<mark_weaver>no, the package manager won't work on BSD
<mark_weaver>the fundamental problem is that there have to be bootstrap binaries for your platform
<mark_weaver>and those bootstrap binaries are built for GNU/Linux only.
<mark_weaver>we aim to support GNU/Hurd as well, and I suppose there's no reason why we could at some point target a BSD kernel, but we don't have any plans to support non-GNU userland (libc, etc)
<jmd>Not really a fundamental problem. But fixing it would require someone with knowledge about BSD.
<mark_weaver>it's not a fundamental problem, but it would likely require a lot of workarounds in a large number of packages.
<mark_weaver>so we'd end up with a lot more patching and more complex recipes, thus distracting us from more important things.
<mark_weaver>anyway, this was not my decision, it was civodul's. so if you disagree, talk to him about it.
<jmd>I don't disagree.
<pawprint>there aren't many bootstrap binaries required, right?
<pawprint>and they're relatively simple
<pawprint>so couldn't someone with a bsd system just statically compile a few binaries for you to get things started?
<jmd>pawprint: I think it would be possible. Yes.
<pawprint>i understand the point about a lack of glibc, though
<pawprint>that could be a problem
<jmd>What does BSD use for a standard C library ?
<pawprint>i don't know what the standard is, but i know there are some small glibc alternatives like uclibc, musl, dietlibc, etc
<pawprint>some software that doesn't need the more sophisticated glibc features can be built against those
<pawprint>anyway, i suppose there's nothing stopping bsd folks from using inspiration from the nix/guix projects to write their own versions
<pawprint>but i guess there's never going to be a port
<pawprint>hmm.. when following the instructions here:
<pawprint>after running "guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt" (where confg.scm is just the example /etc/configuration-template.scm) i get an error
<pawprint>"/gnu/store/r32il5bc546cjf71iywb3j7a18jhmq09-grub-2.00/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdX. Check your device map."
<pawprint>i need to actually edit that sample config
<pawprint>when i boot from the system i created with "guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt", why does "su - alice" prompt for a password despite me running that command as root?
<pawprint>the password that it's prompting me for is the pw for the alice account
<mark_weaver>pawprint: everything we build in guix is built against our own bootstrap binaries, which includes our own glibc. we wouldn't want to use BSD libc.
<pawprint>even if it made your system more portable?
<mark_weaver>however, it might be okay to make a variant of our glibc that works on a BSD kernel.
<mark_weaver>even when you install Guix on a GNU/Linux system, it doesn't use any libraries from the host system at all.
<jxself>pawprint: Does it not make sense for the GNU System to use its own C library?
<pawprint>right, but i guess the issue is whether guix insists on using a library that can only work on linux, or would allow the use of a library that works on both linux and bsd
<mark_weaver>Debian runs glibc on a FreeBSD kernel, doesn't it? (I confess I don't know for certain)
<pawprint>looks like there's this:
<pawprint>"Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set."
<mark_weaver>anyway, my understanding is that portability to non-GNU systems is not a goal for us. however, it _might_ be okay if it can be done without adding noticably to our ongoing maintenance burden.
<mark_weaver>and it _might_ be that using GNU libc on a BSD kernel would require relatively little work. we are unlikely to want to use another C library.
<mark_weaver>anyway, I have to go afk.
<pawprint>thank you