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<tadni_>Hrm, it seems guile-wm can't pick up terminus. I tried setting it in my config, but tty1 complains and tells it's removing ${prefix}/share/fonts/x11 from list. <tadni``>terminus-font is in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-terminus-font/share/fonts/terminus/ not /share/fonts/x11/. <tadni``>I need to figure this out, but luckily two of my other great annoyances got fixed prior. :^) <tadni``>Those being Grub now defaults to the latest session and setxkbmap works! <davexunit>alezost: rebuilding guix from scratch solved my issue. <tadni_>davexunit: So my termius-font package might be a partial dud ... Slim's tty1 log tells me that it's not found. :^P <tadni_>Besides that, I got most of my config.scm and related dotfiles ready to put into a repo. <davexunit>going to be so nice when I can have my exact OS configuration version controlled. <tadni_>davexunit: Yeah, a very neat prospect. *tadni_ has been considering looking into packaging stumpwm ... but not sure if it would be worth the effort. <tadni_>I have a fairly complete .stumpwmrc file, but really most of it besides the modeline I can do in guile-wm now or in the near future. <davexunit>might be cool. you'd need to package clisp or sbcl. <tadni_>davexunit: gcl which I believe is GNU Clisp, could be wrong -- is packaged already. <tadni_>I'd need to figure out how to make a build-system probably though, I assume. <tadni_>Hm, gcl is GNU CL, but not Clisp. <tadni_>davexunit: It's depends -- cl-ppcre and clx don't iirc. <tadni_>They use adsf or something of the like, which is centric on CL. *tadni_ wishes he was a years out skill wise, so he could start adding relevant stuff to guile-wm. <tadni_>Guile-wm is promising, but my Stumpwm config is my near ideal computing env. <tadni_>guile-wm can't even do key-maps can it now? <tadni_>Like a prefix key plus say "a" for applications and from there press "w" for your webbrowser. So "C-t a w"? <davexunit>I'm not sure if it accepts more than one key after the prefix *davexunit is trying to figure out how to install a package with guile procedures <davexunit>I thought I had it, but it doesn't seem to do anything <davexunit>tadni_: I might need to make a new profile or something after I install a new package. that might be my problem. <tadni_>ERC> davexunit That seems to conveluted to be true, but idk ... maybe? <davexunit>holy crap, I just installed a package through my web interface. <davexunit>I think some code from guix/scripts/package.scm needs to be refactored to make this easier in the future. <tadni_>Hrm, guile-wm crashed again. I really need to figure out this font over the next few days -- any time you call a menu in guile-wm without a valid font set, it freezes the interaction of the session. You can still interact with opened windows, but manipulation is hindered. <tadni_>It's really bizzare. A phantom empty menu is just lurking on top-left of my display. <svetlana> [22:42.11] <davexunit> mark_weaver: I did 'find /gnu/store -name ccm.ko -print0 | xargs -0 sudo insmod' to get the modules loaded and showing up with lsmod <svetlana>thats something i dont need to do with the latest release, or do i? is modprobe expected to work normally? <davexunit>I dunno! that was to get the modules needed for WPA encryption to work <svetlana>i saved log of this channel to file and am taking notes from that before i run installer; it's going to be a royal pain for me to set up internet i think <svetlana>i have " wpa-ssid SvetanaWireless\\r\\n wpa-psk SvetlanasPassword" sort of thing in my /etc/network/interfaces on another distro and it works but i dont know where it stores its wpa config <svetlana>i dont have an option to use wired internet unfortunately (although a couple hours of yelling at a kernel may force me into talking to the landlord and getting proper wired internet) <davexunit>is network/interfaces a NetworkManager thing? <svetlana>i'm using iwl4965 to get wifi on this other distro <svetlana>not afaik, i dont think it's a networkmanager thing, i wrote it into the interfaces file manually <davexunit>oh, might be a debian networking service thing <davexunit>on guix, wpa-supplicant is likely your best bet right now. <svetlana>yes, i am just unsure how to write a file for it :) <svetlana>wpa supplicant conf has got a lovely man page but its examples are more verbose than what i know about my own wifi <davexunit>intel wireless drivers require nonfree firmware and are thus not in linux-libre <svetlana>and how do i know what i'm using for eth0 which is inactive atm? <svetlana>(and would another free driver work with this hardware?) <davexunit>the easiest thing to do would be to buy a usb wireless adapter <svetlana>I have a mobile with working wifi and I could probably tether it <svetlana>and I have no idea how to configure that either unless it works out of the box <davexunit>heh, not much works out of the box right now <svetlana>yes, I wish I could at least know where to head :) i have no starting point other than here \\o/ <svetlana>"step 1: learn to connect through mobile in the other distro [where I can go back to using iwlwifi at any time to come back here]" <svetlana2>yes, tethering a mobile works on the other distro (but i dunno what exactly it's using to do this) ***svetlana is now known as Guest69010
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<svetlana>this tethered wifi is also dog unreliable <svetlana>i need to think more, maybe get ethernet and rewind <davexunit>guix-web now has very basic support for installing packages! <taylanub>FWIW I have a tiny module to more easily make HTML pages with SXML <davexunit>I'm not rendering much html on the server, though. <jxself>Thoughts on being able to go to $random_website and having a click result in software being installed on your computer? <jxself>Isn't that what this is, though? Or do I misunderstand it? <davexunit>but you could have guix-web only listen to the loopback device so you have to be on the local machine to use it. <davexunit>it's a web interface, but that doesn't mean it needs to be accessible outside of a LAN> <jxself>I suppose I saw it as working kinda like RPM Fusion, where clicking on links can add new repositories to your computer, install packages, etc. <jxself>Time to catch the bus though. Back later. <davexunit>it could be extended to do that, too, I think. <davexunit>it's pretty hacky right now, but good proof of concept. :) <davexunit>civodul will be speaking about guix and the GNU system at GHM pretty soon. <jxself>I assume that recordings will be available later? <davexunit>I hope they are uploaded quickly. it usually takes forever to see videos after conferences. <jxself>"Yeah" to being available later, or to audio-video hold them, or yeah to both? :) <jxself>It seesm that there shouldn't be much a lag - Just rsync the videos over. It might help to reduce that lag if the audio-video people wer emore involved in these conferences from the start. <davexunit>we were hoping to convert that to a mediagoblin instance, but the volunteer disappeared. <jxself>But, speaking from first hand experience, we usually don't even hear about them until afterward. <jxself>If I wanted to go add them now, for example, I don't know who is running the conference or how to contact them to work out details, etc. <jxself>And maybe those running the conference aren't the ones recording. <davexunit>I'm just excited to see the guix talk. I'll have to be patient. <Sleep_Walker>I'd like to try dmd, but I'm slightly confused by the versions <tadni>Sleep_Walker: This would probably be the best place to ask, next to the ML. <mark_weaver>you've come to the right channel, but civodul is currently at the GNU Hackers Meeting, and he knows dmd best. <tadni>mark_weaver: Oh yeah, I think my terminus-font package might be ary... <tadni>Guile-wm can't find it. And tty1 complains about it... <Sleep_Walker>I can see there ANNOUNCE-0.7 files with dead link to 0.7 tarball <mark_weaver>Sleep_Walker: no, that's version -0.4 (negative 0.4) <jxself>DMD began with negative numbers, and later moved into positive ones. <ijp>next thing you know there will be complex or surreal release numbers <davexunit>dmd does positive numbers now, for all of our sanity <jxself>I thought using negative numbers was an interesting versioning method. <tadni>ijp: Let's release dmd in only imaginary numbers. *tadni wonders how hard it would be just to swap out init-systems. <tadni>I'm assuming you'd have to write a ton of services, for it to work on opensuse. <Sleep_Walker>tadni: I won't write configuration for services I don't use <tadni>davexunit: Maybe hard wouldn't be the best word, needlessly time consuming might be a bit more accurate. :^P <taylanub>jxself: while one should definitely refrain from that for pragmatic reasons anyway, for some reason I thought about negative version numbers a lot and decided they don't really make much sense :P <tadni>Sleep_Walker: On my GNU running lapptop, yes. <mark_weaver>Sleep_Walker: I'm using standalone guix on my gluglug X60, and that uses dmd, so yes :) <jxself>It's bootable and usable on hardware these days. <tadni>It has been the biggest motivation for me learning Scheme/Lisp. <jxself>sleep_walker: It only took 30 years right? <tadni>taylanub: Yeah, I'm really excited about that one ... but I can't seem to find any recent info on it's progress. <taylanub>Sleep_Walker: Guile implements Elisp in addition to Scheme <tadni>Sleep_Walker: It has compatibility with Elisp, but yeah it's core will be Guile. <Sleep_Walker>it will be probably confusing with my knowledge of elisp and guile, but nice! <tadni>Sleep_Walker: You'll be able to still write and interact extensions in Elisp. <tadni>As well as write and interact with Scheme. <taylanub>Sleep_Walker: and it also keeps some C parts of Emacs .. it's really just like a backwards-compatible fork of GNU Emacs, that will hopefully even become the canonical implementation; no transitioning headaches *jxself ponders learning Scheme <tadni>jxself: If you are a fan of GNU, it's a good foward looking investment. <taylanub>bipt told me that Stefan Monnier (current Emacs maintainer) wanted to look into Guile-Emacs now; I'm hoping that for now it will become a branch in the upstream Emacs repo, and hopefully be merged into trunk for Emacs 25 or so <tadni>Package manager, Init System, and probable/hopeful Emacs. <davexunit>tadni: jxself isn't much of a GNU fan. he's more of an OS X guy. <tadni>That's more-or-less dead, right? <taylanub>oh, I thought jxself was Shane Celis from the OS X mention <davexunit>those that know a bit about jxself know how absurd my comment was. <tadni>Cool concept, but I couldn't imagine using it over Emacs for building something. Especially if Guile-wm comes up with a graphics toolkit, as it plans sometime in the future. *jxself is about as likely to use OS X as RMS is to buy an iPhone *davexunit used to use OS X at work <tadni>jxself: Bizzaro RMS would love to buy a iPhone. <davexunit>RISCi_ATOM: we were talking about your new macbook <RISCi_ATOM>I don't currently own any apple products (minus a Powerbook G3) <davexunit>oh, maybe it was your new surface pro 2 that I was thinking of <jxself>So that can be re-worded as "I don't currently own any Apple products except for the one I do" right? :) *taylanub still uses OS X at work :( (iOS dev, still) <tadni>jxself: What, do they have a "history" or something? <tadni>taylanub: WHY ARE WE YELLING?! <jxself>Is anyone planning to go see johnsu01's talk in Portland? I am thinking on it... <davexunit>I won't be there, but I hope it gets recorded. *tadni needs some travel money. <jxself>I would only go for that one talk, not for all of Debconf. <jxself>Take a train from Seattle to Portland and return the same day. <davexunit>I'm interested in where things go with debian and the FSF <taylanub>hmm, reminds me of that one time I was genuinely stuck with caps lock open and asked for help in #emacs because some keybindings wouldn't work anymore (thankfully many are case-insensitive in Emacs so there was a way out :P) <davexunit>Sleep_Walker: dude you just crashed my paredit. not cool. <taylanub>(I then learned of M-l. you can always do M-!, type in uppercase shell code, then fix its casing with M-l) <davexunit>okay, enough spamming this channel. back to work. <mark_weaver>I didn't realize that John Sullivan was a Debian Developer. I'm really glad that he's making an effort to bring the two organizations together. <ijp>mark_weaver: he's regularly on #emacs (johnsu01) <jxself>davexunit: Maybe you can find out if John's talk will be recorded? Since you're in the same office... <jxself>Awesome. That way I can maybe avoid a 6 hour trip (3 hours each way) <davexunit>jxself: I'm sending him an email because he's out today. <jxself>What? He's not sitting in his office all day long waiting for you to come over with questions? :) <davexunit>well typically I could just walk ~15 feet and ask. <zacts>I'm thinking about transferring to the college where that talk about FSF + Debian was at. <zacts>I bet they would also host guix / mirror if needed. <zacts>I believe that Linux kernel dev Sarah Sharp went there also.. I've heard they like functional languages (Haskell, scheme), and they love gnu/linux. <davexunit>part of me wishes I could have attended a more prestigious college, but the other part of me is super happy that I went to a local state school and has no debt <zacts>it's more of an art school, but they also offer computer science <zacts>davexunit: yeah, well I'm starting with my local school now, and then when I can get scholarships I will transfer <zacts>I currently have been maintaining a 4.0 GPA, so that should help.. <davexunit>I had a 3.3 in high school, and graduated college with a 3.7 (maybe 3.8) <davexunit>high school was a pain, college was so much more enjoyable. <zacts>(although so far that is only a few credits.. I hope/plan to maintain a high gpa) *tadni is still at a community college till next year, then he'll be at an actual "big boy" state school. <zacts>I think that highschool should end earlier, and college should start sooner <zacts>tadni: yeah, I'm at a community college now <tadni>zacts: I wish I would have taken it more seriously. I have about a 3.3 now, but haven't really "tried" per-se thusfar. All the prereqs have been killing my motivation. :^P <Sleep_Walker>is it all in one place or I should have a look on package definitoion in guix? <davexunit>Sleep_Walker: look in /gnu/system in the guix source tree <Sleep_Walker>thanks, I'll have a look as soon as installation of guix will be done <Steap>How does one build the doc again ? 