<zimoun>This week-end, I have been to an exhibition about The ancient Art of Japanese Carpenters. There is one principle that resonates for me: if you cut a tree of hundred years, then you must build something with it that will stay more than hundred years. Sadly, that’s not the case with the world of computations…
<rekado>it’s an old statement on sustainability. Modern capital theory as used to justify weak sustainability would frame it more liberally as “the sum of all forms of capital must not be diminished”. I do prefer the admonishment to only destroy when that is in the service of converting it into more value.
<zimoun>Well, one can easily measure “stay for X time”. Hum, what is “value“ may highly depend, no? Other said, how do you measure the “value”? The good ol’ carpenters made a one-to-one, which somehow removes the question, IMHO.
<zimoun>BTW, it is really interesting the knowledge they had for rock-solid connecting two pieces of hoods. I have been impressed by the precision of their cut. And their number of tools.
<rekado>yes, “last for X years” is easier to measure than value. But within the context of sustainability the value of a tree is more than the volume of its usable wood, so it’s not an exact conversion.
<rekado>joinery is awesome. I always sigh when I see pretty furniture and discover that it’s all bolted together instead of using joinery.
<zimoun>Well, I do not know if it is correct: I have read that Japanese carpenters developed such joinery because they had few iron and other metals. Keeping secret these techniques, transmitted from master to student over many generations. Then, once Japan had access to various metals (more or less one hundred years ago), all these techniques had almost been lost. What is instead it was not secret but as “free
<rekado>weirdly enough I said something similar today in a group meeting at work
<rekado>(I showed guix-bioc and the question was about having the same for all of pypi, which triggered comments on the Python culture as it is reflected in artifacts on pypi and in the quality of dependency tracking)
<efraim>you'd have to sort also for only packages which support a given version of python, I've come across some in the past that were for python1